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2003-03-27 10:54:28 AM  
When did religion become so public? Isn't any relationship between a person and their god a private matter? Why is Jeebus being so heavily marketed now in this country?
 
2003-03-27 10:54:44 AM  
Read the preamble to the resolution and you will learn that this is simply a continuation of a 200+ year tradition of this sort of thing. If you don't like it, don't pray and don't fast.
 
2003-03-27 10:54:46 AM  
eatham-Excuse me!! For some stupid reason I thought people die in wars.
 
2003-03-27 10:54:58 AM  
I am calling for every true American to conduct an animal sacrifice in support of our troops.
 
2003-03-27 10:55:49 AM  
Gee, this will really dispel the outside world's concept of this war as an extension of American religious intolerance, eh?
 
2003-03-27 10:55:58 AM  
THIS IS NOT A BILL! IT WILL NOT BECOME LAW!
 
2003-03-27 10:56:14 AM  
I have no problem with lawmakers submitting "light hearted" resolutions as a tension breaker but this is just dumb.

Those who believe in the power of prayer are ALREADY praying and those who don't cannot be forced to pray! And what's with fasting? The most religious people I know don't fast, what religion does that come from?
 
2003-03-27 10:56:22 AM  
but, but... they have precedent!

That's it, we'll all think happy thoughts and god will smite Saddam for us
 
2003-03-27 10:56:30 AM  
Ever wondered if God is just an impartial witness, and really doesn't choose sides. He does nothing when children are killed, and vast platoons of innocents die, so...why would he/it/whatever interevene in anyones war?
Kind of a stupid way of thinking of a supreme being.
 
2003-03-27 10:56:56 AM  
Nightsweat I think you are referring to an old movie about Nostrodamus (his predictions, anyway). Heston was on tv yakking about it 12 years ago, no surprise if they air it again.
 
2003-03-27 10:57:11 AM  
Prozacboi

/rereads again

I didn't mention war either. The preamble metions war, but only in respect to Sept. 11. The resolution itself has no mention of war, the armed forces, any other nation, or any type of violence whatsoever. If you're not going to read the article, at least read the comments to which you are responding.
 
2003-03-27 10:57:18 AM  
Nightsweat: The movie was called "The Man Who Saw Tomorrow" and was about Nostradamus. It was "hosted" (if you will) by an aging Orson Welles who looked like he would rip your arms off if you waved a Mrs. Paul's fishstick around
 
2003-03-27 10:58:01 AM  
The sad part is, these are the same people that will be our last line of defense against the passage of the Patriot Act II, which allows secret arrests/detentions, allows secret information to be submitted by the prosecution during a trial, etc.
 
2003-03-27 10:58:06 AM  
This is not a bill. This will not become a law.
This does not mention the Christian god, so stfu with your "Christianity is being shoved down our throats".
Yes, it is still dumb.
 
2003-03-27 10:58:24 AM  
These are probably the same asshats who tried to ban teaching evolution in the classroom.
 
2003-03-27 10:58:24 AM  
Nightsweat, I remember the movie. It came on Showtime or HBO, and it was about the prophecies of Nostradamus. Shortly after I saw it, we bombed Libya, and I freaked, thinking Qadaffi was the "blue turban" guy.
 
2003-03-27 10:58:45 AM  
All we can hope for is that this will never become law.... remember "I'm just a Bill and Im sittin' here on Capital Hill..." It is a long, long wait while he's a sittin' in committee. Aw, crap, now I have that song stuck in my head!
 
2003-03-27 10:59:06 AM  
Hmm.. These Christians beleve in the 'Divine Plan', whereby everything happens acording to his/her will. Surely praying is like asking God to alter his/her big plans..... Pointless??

/rev George Calin
 
2003-03-27 10:59:11 AM  
Did anyone else breathe a sigh of relief when they found that one of their reps wasn't on the co-sponsor list?
 
2003-03-27 10:59:15 AM  
I think that putting about another 100,000 boots on the ground over there and not taking prisoners for 2 days everytime they pull that surrender and shoot scam would help this war end more quickly than this stupid bill.
 
2003-03-27 10:59:16 AM  
Religious legislation in the US? That's un-possible.

by the way - the world does not revolve around a cross.
 
2003-03-27 10:59:22 AM  
A nation this full of idiotic sky god worshipers should be kept away from the weapons that secular science created. I think we've all seen the result.
 
2003-03-27 10:59:53 AM  
The self-involved cynical nihilists come out on fark in a yapping pack.

There is certainly nothing more important than making smart remarks about people who believe in God, right?

Meanwhile Iraqis are holding little girls in front of them and shooting at our troops and our soldiers are facing grave danger trying to kill the Iraqi thugs and save the innocent.

I'm praying to God every hour of every day. I'm praying to free the Iraqi people from this vicious thugocracy, I'm praying for our troops, I'm praying for mercy.

I'm proud to admit it. Prayer works.
 
2003-03-27 11:00:11 AM  
Don't be fooled! The american government is run by the Illuminati who are devoute pagan-satanists! They no doubt want to trick you into praying to a false god! Dispite what Weekly World News prints, Nostradamus predicted that America would become SATAN'S chosen army for Armageddon! WWN, being conservative bullsh*ters, twisted his words! That is, if they even bothered to transalate them in the first place! The Anti-Christ is on Earth and he is the puppetmaster pulling America's strings! You must rise up against the satanic government hell-bent on destroying the world or be damned for all eternity! Do you know why the Anti-Christ ordered Bush to atack Iraq? Because Iraq aka BABYLON is the location of the biblical garden of Eden! The Anti-Christ wants fruit from the Tress of Knowledge and Life so he can become a true god and the tress are located in Eden!
 
2003-03-27 11:00:48 AM  
EatHam

try not selectively editing lines:

(1) designating a day for humility, prayer, and fasting for all people of the United States; (empasis mine)

Not only is the whole thing wrong, the italicized part is more wrong, and the fact that the government endorses religion of any sort is wrong.
 
2003-03-27 11:01:20 AM  
OH NO THE FUNDIES ARE TAKING OVER HELP US THE JACKBOOTED CHRISTIANS ARE BEATING DOWN MY DOOR!!!!!!

It doesn't direct to whom to pray. It is not a bill that will become an enforceable "law." It is a handful of Congressmen that put this together. Get a grip.
 
2003-03-27 11:01:22 AM  
eatham-You just don't get it do you?
 
2003-03-27 11:02:16 AM  
Religion is never responsible for war and destruction. Just read the bible for stories about fluffy white bunnies, grassy green meadows, and infinite peace. Shame all the nonbelievers have to bash the sacred teachings of bible thumpers.
 
2003-03-27 11:02:34 AM  
UUARUUZARE

First of all, I didn't selectively edit lines. I copied and pasted directly from the resolution. Second of all, the government is specifically prohibited from endorsing one religion over another, or repressing one religion specifically. Please show me where this resolution does that.
 
2003-03-27 11:03:16 AM  
Note to world: Next time we create terrible weapons or a powerful society don't let either of them fall into the hands of sky god worshiping wackos.
 
2003-03-27 11:03:31 AM  
Frazetta_chick

Pray that you find your medication....Take a pill and calm down already.
 
2003-03-27 11:03:38 AM  
If this isn't about war then I'm not sitting here right now, Have a good day EATHAM.
 
2003-03-27 11:03:44 AM  
..and Nero fidded while rome burned.
 
2003-03-27 11:03:53 AM  
Mr. AKIN (for himself, Mr. GOODE, Mr. BARTLETT of Maryland, Mr. JONES of North Carolina, Mr. KING of Iowa, Mr. HAYES, Mrs. JO ANN DAVIS of Virginia, Mr. BEAUPREZ, Ms. CORRINE BROWN of Florida, Mr. MANZULLO, Mr. ADERHOLT, Mr. TIAHRT, Mr. PITTS, Mr. RYUN of Kansas, Mrs. MYRICK, Mr. WELDON of Florida, Mr. BISHOP of Utah, Mr. BARRETT of South Carolina, Mr. MILLER of Florida, Ms. ROS-LEHTINEN, Mr. GINGREY, Mr. TERRY, and Mr. SOUDER)

No votes from me ... You're out ...
 
2003-03-27 11:04:10 AM  
EatHam

This resolution assumes the existence of a monotheistic deity to whom one prays.

The Buddhists aren't getting shiat out of this resolution.
 
2003-03-27 11:04:22 AM  
Its hard to believe the anger and hate in this thread. Don't you know our country was founded on these principles?
That's one reason the pilgrims came to america. They are not forcing you to fast and pray or to believe in God or Jesus. Even if you don't believe, would'nt you want to take a chance of getting help from a higher power?
 
2003-03-27 11:04:22 AM  
actually you must have, since you are missing half a line.
I did not say they were repressing one religion specifically. They endorse a thinly-veiled Christianity. Fundamentally.
 
2003-03-27 11:04:25 AM  
maybe its a devious little plan. if you're all fasting and praying, you're not spending any money on food. this way you won't notice how everythings gone up in price, and it takes more to make ends meet. or how the tax cut isn't going to benefit you. you might have a little extra money in your pocket if you don't spend it on food, thus giving you the illusion things are looking up.


/sarcasm ...i think?
 
2003-03-27 11:04:25 AM  
Frazetta_chick:
Exactly how is prayer working? Did you pray for those sandstorms holding up the advance? How about Turkey's denial of airspace rights or their incursion in the north? Oh, then your prayers helped stop the paramilitary attacks, right?

Hmm.
 
2003-03-27 11:04:34 AM  
Prozacboi
You just don't get it do you

Apparently not. Either that or you are confusing the headline with the actual article and have read neither the resolution, nor any of the comments I have posted that you are arguing with.
 
2003-03-27 11:04:54 AM  
OMG ROFLOL!!! Gilga was right about us after all! Save me Jesus!
 
2003-03-27 11:05:11 AM  
Amazing the response here. much venom, little thought.

This isn't going to be a law, it's a resolution not a bill (anyone remember their schoolhouse rock?) A bill becomes a law, not a resolution. These people are expressing their opinion openly and asking their (and any other) constituency to follow their suggestion *IF* he or she is so inclined.

The seperation of church and state arguement really does muse me. Apparently when someone is elected to an office, they must abandon any and all 'religious' beliefs? If that were the case...wow.

Now as to this being a waste of time by congress, I agree. We pay them well to waste time. It is what they do best.
 
2003-03-27 11:05:17 AM  
This is sooooo wrong. This is not a war of Christians vs. Muslims. I support the war in Iraq, I will not support a religious war. They can fight that shiat out without me. If these people want to fast and pray, then do it, don't bring 9/11 or War into it.
 
2003-03-27 11:05:24 AM  
TYPICAL GOD-FEARING PEOPLE.

George Carlin said it best:

Pray for anything, but what about the Divine Plan?

Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine. Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can come along and fark up Your Plan?

And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to anyway, why the fark bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to His Will? It's all very confusing.
So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as I said, I don't pray to the sun. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons: First of all, I think he's a good actor, okay? To me, that counts. Second, he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fark around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with.

For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that cocksucker out with one visit. It's amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball bat.

So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now. And I noticed something. I noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50% rate. Half the time I get what I want, half the time I don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same as the four-leaf clover and the horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's foot, same as the Mojo Man, same as the Voodoo Lady who tells you your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles, it's all the same: 50-50. So just pick your superstition, sit back, make a wish, and enjoy yourself.

And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons and literary qualities, I might suggest a couple of other stories for you. You might want to look at the Three Little Pigs, that's a good one. Has a nice happy ending, I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood, although it does have that X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way. And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was. In fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God, may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all very much. Joe Bless You!
 
2003-03-27 11:05:36 AM  
Hello while you are doing all this praying can you please pray for me to win the lottery?

Thanks.
 
2003-03-27 11:05:37 AM  
And if none of you can see that the government is endorsing thinly veiled christianity, i hope prayer to jesus helps you.
 
2003-03-27 11:05:53 AM  
"03-27-03 10:43:45 AM DirkValentine
this is VERY disturbing.
i think that we should all light up a sliff and listen to Led Zeppelin.
if that's not solidarity, then i don't know what is."

I agree, Dirk. This is disturbing. Will light up and listen to Zeppelin around 7 pm tonight.

Do any of these legislators realize that there is more important stuff to do? What a bunch of "chapeaus de derriere's".

Fortunately, no one from CT is sponsoring that piece of shiat resolution.
 
2003-03-27 11:06:02 AM  
Nostradamus?

try Chernobyl Nuclear Meltdown and 3rd trumpet Revelation in google.

Coincidence that chernobyl(meaning wormwood) is picked out of the other 450,000+ english words in the unabridged dictionary.

btw, I dont care if your a believer or not. It's interesting though.
 
2003-03-27 11:06:05 AM  
Read the text! This is not a proposal for a new law. This is not even a proposal to set aside a day for "Nationalprayerandfasting day" This is a proposal to make a recommendation to the President that he ask people to voluntarily do this. (on their own time even)
 
2003-03-27 11:06:05 AM  
I think if we didn't have religion, we'd have a lot fewer wars.

We'd also have a lot more sex.

And wear a lot fewer clothes.

And wouldn't waste so much space burying people.

But, we would be without Catholic school girl uniforms, so I guess it's a good thing in the end.
 
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