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2009-11-03 5:42:03 AM  

Dr. Frisbee: Al doesn't care about the environment. He is running a private jet from one locale to another. He is making money off of fools.


jehovahs witness protection: Behold....the far left good ole boy network.


Glad to see some people on Fark are starting to wake up about this giant heist concerning the planet and its temperatures.
 
2009-11-03 5:42:07 AM  

icanhazstapler: He's an entrepreneur, a hero of the capitalistic model, and yet the conservatives can't stand the fact that he's made a fortune in exactly what they claim to stand in favor of: free market enterprise. It shows what a bunch of ignorant, partisan jagoffs these people really are. Enjoy your minority status, douchebags.


Sort of, but he's more of the robber baron model than the modern-day bootstraps businessman. I'm not saying that anthropogenic climate change doesn't exist, what I am saying is that he fear mongered it to the point where the debate has overshadowed the solutions.

Not to mention that some of the stuff he supports - specifically a carbon credit market - is economic racism of the lowest sort. Essentially paying people to not better themselves. It's just another version of imperialism and first world countries are already paying a high price for those errors. We don't need more bills.
 
2009-11-03 5:43:51 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Behold....the far left good ole boy network.


I read that in Bill O'Reilly's voice and almost came.
 
2009-11-03 5:45:26 AM  

gregscott: thomps: he's trying to effect change through capitalism, you partisan cockbags should be toasting his bootstraps.

It's not capitalism when you can lobby the government to set you up in business by passing cap and trade. This is a scam of the worst kind. Cap and trade will impoverish the US and do nothing to combat global warming. It will merely export production and pollution and prosperity to other countries.


The oil industry has huge lobbying power and receives billions of dollars worth of subsidies from the Government to pay for research and discovery expeditions. What's the difference?
 
2009-11-03 5:48:49 AM  

dillengest: The oil industry has huge lobbying power and receives billions of dollars worth of subsidies from the Government to pay for research and discovery expeditions. What's the difference?


Absolutely none. It's the same thing as Bush/Haliburton except this time it's Gore/Green Energy Scramble which he, himself, helped create a demand for just as Bush/Cheney created a demand for Haliburtin in Iraq.
 
2009-11-03 5:59:11 AM  

Ender's: dillengest: The oil industry has huge lobbying power and receives billions of dollars worth of subsidies from the Government to pay for research and discovery expeditions. What's the difference?

Absolutely none. It's the same thing as Bush/Haliburton except this time it's Gore/Green Energy Scramble which he, himself, helped create a demand for just as Bush/Cheney created a demand for Haliburtin in Iraq.


If I understand that analogy you're suggesting that Gore has personally been warming the planet for the last 100 years in order to make a healthy profit now. That guy's playing the long game.
 
2009-11-03 6:22:20 AM  

icanhazstapler: He's an entrepreneur, a hero of the capitalistic model, and yet the conservatives can't stand the fact that he's made a fortune in exactly what they claim to stand in favor of: free market enterprise. It shows what a bunch of ignorant, partisan jagoffs these people really are. Enjoy your minority status, douchebags.


Wow, pot AND kettle, fascinating. Hey douchebag, you're a bag of douches ya know?

Of course he would have NO sway in making sure the contracts went his way. None at all I'm sure, douche... bag. You would perhaps have a point if it were FREE MARKET enterprise, but when it's RIGGED market enterprise, people who rig it, people who benefit, and people who condone it (that's where you come in, moron) are all douchey douchersons! Yeah!
 
2009-11-03 6:26:30 AM  

dillengest: gregscott: thomps: he's trying to effect change through capitalism, you partisan cockbags should be toasting his bootstraps.

It's not capitalism when you can lobby the government to set you up in business by passing cap and trade. This is a scam of the worst kind. Cap and trade will impoverish the US and do nothing to combat global warming. It will merely export production and pollution and prosperity to other countries.

The oil industry has huge lobbying power and receives billions of dollars worth of subsidies from the Government to pay for research and discovery expeditions. What's the difference?


They're scumbags too, so no difference eh - except perhaps economic impact. I really hate "lobbying" and wish there were a way to completely remove it from the process. I haven't been able to think of one though, damnit.
 
2009-11-03 6:31:29 AM  

dillengest: If I understand that analogy you're suggesting that Gore has personally been warming the planet for the last 100 years in order to make a healthy profit now. That guy's playing the long game.


Try again.
 
2009-11-03 6:33:19 AM  
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2009-11-03 6:45:35 AM  
So Al Gore is making millions off investments that are related to a crisis he helped invent - what has traditionally been called a hoax. Interesting that the government grant was to install smart meters in homes - that's a PC way of describing thermostats that are controlled not by the homeowner who is paying for the energy and paying taxes but by an Algore type bureaucrat deciding what temperature your house should be.

It's not capitalism when the government is giving you money. It's confiscation of and redistribution of wealth from producers to parasites.

It's not smart investing when you can rig the decision process, it's called insider trading or fraud.

It's not environmentalism or concern for the planet when you try to limit everyone else's carbon footprint and set new standards of profligacy with your own. It's called hypocrisy.
 
2009-11-03 6:47:24 AM  
So what your saying is Al Gore is too the Green movement what Dick Chaney was to Defense contracts!??!

Ohh but wait, Al Gore is a DEM so absolutely no-one will have an issue with it.
 
2009-11-03 6:48:50 AM  

Ender's: dillengest: If I understand that analogy you're suggesting that Gore has personally been warming the planet for the last 100 years in order to make a healthy profit now. That guy's playing the long game.

Try again.


The demand for Haliburton was created by the war in Iraq, which was started by Bush/Cheney.

The demand for environmental protection solutions was created by the observation that the planet has been warming over the last 100 years. So, if your analogy to Bush/Cheney is accurate, Gore would need to have started the warming.
 
2009-11-03 6:50:48 AM  

Mustaf Herod Upyur Poupr: How is Al Gore relevant anymore?

Gee, if I follow Al and Michael Moore by being a do-nothing complaining blowhard, can I get a Nobel too? Boy, complaining about how SOMEONE oughtta do something without doing something sure is fun!

/Both need to DIAF
//Pick up a shovel or shaddap :P


NICE
 
2009-11-03 7:19:25 AM  
I'm worried about Al's zinc mine now.
 
2009-11-03 7:21:28 AM  

thomps: he's trying to effect change through capitalism, you partisan cockbags should be toasting his bootstraps.



THIS THIS THIS!!!

The moronic deniers had an opportunity to invest. Instead they shouted it down.

Gore is a private citizen. He invested wisely. The company he invested in has a product that can save American electricity consumers BILLIONS and you assholes cry foul!

Screw you and get out of our way!
 
2009-11-03 7:35:33 AM  

X-boxershorts: thomps: he's trying to effect change through capitalism, you partisan cockbags should be toasting his bootstraps.


THIS THIS THIS!!!

The moronic deniers had an opportunity to invest. Instead they shouted it down.

Gore is a private citizen. He invested wisely. The company he invested in has a product that can save American electricity consumers BILLIONS and you assholes cry foul!

Screw you and get out of our way!


God damn. Amazing. He did all he's done SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS TYPE OF PROFIT YOU DUMB farkS!!!
 
2009-11-03 7:35:33 AM  
Profiting from gullibility? It's more likely than you think.
 
2009-11-03 7:43:58 AM  
How? Is he narrating another PowerPoint presentation full of WHARRGARBLE???
 
2009-11-03 7:51:44 AM  
The repeated charge of hypocrisy - rather, this syllogism:

Al Gore advocates certain pro-environmental policies,
but Al Gore does not live in a cave, off the electric grid,
so therefore Al Gore is a hypocrite,
so therefore one should be opposed to pro-environmental legislation

is an interesting notion. And by "interesting," I mean "dumb as a truck load of bricks."

Let us apply the same measure to a couple of other prominent people. First, let's consider Thomas Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence. In the Declaration of Independence, he bluntly asserted that "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" are the immutable birth-right of all people. Yet the historical record records that he did not, on this account, manumit his slaves. Therefore, Jefferson may indeed be fairly accused of hypocrisy.

Compare this equivocal record with that of his contemporary, Donatien Alphonse François, the Marquis de Sade. Like his modern-day counterpart Rush Limbaugh, the Marquis was an open and vigorous advocate of class-warfare, cruelty, and disgusting, vicious sexual perversion. And not only did he advocate these positions, but he acted consistently upon his beliefs. So, at least, he can not be accused of hypocrisy.

Now following the trend of thought of many of Rush Limbaugh's followers above, we should conclude that the founding fathers of this nation should have adopted the policies of the non-hypocrite de Sade, rather than that liberal hypocrite Jefferson. It is indeed difficult to argue, as an exercise in pure, detached moral calculus, against that point of view, except to note that the obvious outcome would have been unacceptable to non-Randites and other such people who occasionally venture out of Mom-n-Dad's basement.
 
2009-11-03 8:04:55 AM  
thomps: he's trying to effect change get rich through capitalism by being a shill for the biggest scam in history , you partisan cockbags should be toasting his bootstraps. wake up and smell the coffee

FIFY.
 
2009-11-03 8:05:37 AM  
Gore = Hypocrite
 
2009-11-03 8:05:50 AM  

thomps: he's trying to effect change through capitalism, you partisan cockbags should be toasting his bootstraps.


Does not approve of toasting bootstraps:

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/hot like anthropogenic global warming
 
2009-11-03 8:10:13 AM  
These free-market capitalists like Al Gore make me so mad!

/kidding, of course
//go Al!
 
2009-11-03 8:20:23 AM  
I'm pretty sure that most of the economists would recognize this as rent seeking rather than capitalism.


"profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in."


Strict capitalism would follow the invisible hand rather than the hand that is up the collective rectum of congress making the puppets speak. Additionally a capitalist would ask what exactly has Mr. Gore contributed towards production and free markets. The answer would be far less than he would like to take away from economic production in the name of "saving the planet".

That aside should he win in economics? Possibly because he has managed to perfect the art of rent seeking from soup to nuts and that would be something not likely seen in the history of the world. It would be far more appropriate than the Peace Prize he received.
 
2009-11-03 8:22:16 AM  

icanhazstapler: He's an entrepreneur, a hero of the capitalistic model, and yet the conservatives can't stand the fact that he's made a fortune in exactly what they claim to stand in favor of: free market enterprise. It shows what a bunch of ignorant, partisan jagoffs these people really are. Enjoy your minority status, douchebags.


It's not capitalism when you get the governement to mandate the purchase of your product. It's a conflict of interest.
 
2009-11-03 8:25:23 AM  

slayer199: Standard Deviant: I am still confused by his hypocrisy of flying around in his jet and having that massive "carbon footprint" of a home and lifestyle. How is is that I, a capitalist conservative, have a smaller carbon footprint than Al Gore without even trying?

Don't you get it? He's Al Gore, he's doing it to better the planet...so what are you doing you selfish capitalist!


Dude, that's all wrong! Gore offsets his footprint by purchasing carbon credits from his carbon credit company.
 
2009-11-03 8:25:59 AM  

thomps: he's trying to effect change through capitalism, you partisan cockbags should be toasting his bootstraps.


How is perpetuating fraud for the further over-empowerment of (world)government(s) which is also going to lock the businesses(and eventually people) of the world into using his carbon trading company or one of the others that he's a minority shareholder in capitalistic in any way shape or form?

Capitalism cannot exist under any form of coercion.
 
2009-11-03 8:29:00 AM  
stirfrybry 2009-11-03 08:22:16 AM
icanhazstapler: He's an entrepreneur, a hero of the capitalistic model, and yet the conservatives can't stand the fact that he's made a fortune in exactly what they claim to stand in favor of: free market enterprise. It shows what a bunch of ignorant, partisan jagoffs these people really are. Enjoy your minority status, douchebags.

"It's not capitalism when you get the governement to mandate the purchase of your product. It's a conflict of interest."


Mr. Gore is a national hero for his work in the field of raising awareness around the topic of global warming and his recent economic fortune is the product of his foresight. Deal with it.
 
2009-11-03 8:31:48 AM  

Standard Deviant: I am still confused by his hypocrisy of flying around in his jet and having that massive "carbon footprint" of a home and lifestyle. How is is that I, a capitalist conservative, have a smaller carbon footprint than Al Gore without even trying?


There are two words to describe that hypocrisy: Limousine liberal. I do research work for someone who does climate change big time, so I am NOT getting a kick out of these replies. (Why yes. He did claim to win the Nobel Prize along with Al Gore. Just a sec while I go puke.) Yes, Mr Climate Change Scientist is very concerned about "saving the planet." Is he also concerned that his carbon footprint is probably the size of Cape Cod? Nah. He is in the throes of planning to attend the Carbon Footprint stampede in Copenhagen. Let me give you a short quiz on Mr CCS

Does he turn the light out in his office when he leaves for several hours (sometimes the whole day)?
Does he read sci article PDFs on his computer or does he print them out, wasting reams of paper?
When attending a scientific meeting, will he take the cheapest flight in order that his tax-payer funded government grant saves some bucks?
Are take-away containers placed in the recycling bin down the hall or tossed in the rubbish?
When he needs to go into the city for a meeting, will he take local mass transit or a limo?
When he returns home from a trip, does he take a shared van from Logan or a limo?

If you answered this quiz using any of the expected green answers, you would be DEAD WRONG. I could go on and on about his excesses. Oh, you say he is just an anomaly? So sorry, but you would be dead wrong on that account too. I would say that only 1 in 10 climate change researchers at our institute are really putting their money where there mouth is.

Meanwhile, I started saving soda cans when I was a boy and would bring them (and household aluminum) to the Reynolds Recycling truck which would come and buy it. Yeah, I was a capitalist bastard kid who ALSO was interested in conservation.

Now is Mr CCS getting rich like Gore? Hard to say, but I do know that as far as his soft-money research position is concerned he has a vested interest in continuing to receive fed grants to fund his research.
 
2009-11-03 8:32:40 AM  
It is BRILLIANT the way Al Gore takes advantage of our system. Now try it in India and China and let me know how it works out.

I remember hearing that dilution is the solution to pollution.

Maybe it will rain.
 
2009-11-03 8:45:07 AM  

Standard Deviant: I am still confused by his hypocrisy of flying around in his jet and having that massive "carbon footprint" of a home and lifestyle. How is is that I, a capitalist conservative, have a smaller carbon footprint than Al Gore without even trying?


Do as he profits from, not as he does. Duh.
 
2009-11-03 8:58:25 AM  
Remember that time that Al had sex with Tipper?

Hilarious!
 
2009-11-03 8:59:07 AM  
Imagine if Gore had called out the WMD lie and stopped the Iraq war instead of winning the Nobel prize.
 
2009-11-03 9:03:15 AM  
Not surprising. No different than politicians investing in other energy products.
 
2009-11-03 9:06:12 AM  
Great job Al and please go out and invest in more of these winners that will make the US a better place and improve our environment. Winners based on real science, real technology and real economics.

While ur at it drop the investments in carbon trade shell games and the world tours and movies with rigged stats showing hockey sticks
 
2009-11-03 9:08:19 AM  

strathmeyer: Imagine if Gore had called out the WMD lie and stopped the Iraq war instead of winning the Nobel prize.


THIS. Imagine though, had he not created the internet, we wouldn't be here on Fark, wasting time and energy.
 
2009-11-03 9:10:18 AM  
Sure, why not. After all he created the internet, fire, the wheel, the pony express, and those little twist ties for bread bags
 
2009-11-03 9:10:58 AM  

me texan: Follow the money...


THIS x 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
 
2009-11-03 9:14:58 AM  
If he wins, which will be the bigger joke - Obama winning the peace prize or Gore winning the economics prize?
 
2009-11-03 9:16:53 AM  
Funny thing is China's only a year or two away from generating more of it's energy from solar, wind and hydro than the US.

Now Americans are going overseas to setup businesses and sell to the US. Most of the innovation is happening overseas, and looks to be increasing.

I'm really not thrilled to see that.

Energy is critical to maintain an IT lead. Companies like Google and Microsoft are desperate for cheap renewable power.

Yet people insist coal and oil is more than adequate... despite all evidence suggesting otherwise.

Not to mention... ping times to Fark from China would suck. And the censorship too! At least Japans close enough and censorship free... just would be an awfully on that new 'Unity' fiber they laid across the pacific.
 
2009-11-03 9:18:27 AM  
I don't give a sheit either way.
No suprise that Al Gore is magically positioned to profit from this boondoggle. What a wonderful human being to accept our $ in exchange for saving the planet.
Give me a farking break.
If you cannot see this for what it is, I pity you, fool. This is a perfect example of all that is wrong with the redistribution of wealth system we currently call capitalism.

ya, ya, yak, yak, the puppet show goes on, but the bottom line is that for 40 years Al Gore has been a lying lyer of a politician and a waste of human protoplasm. Don't expect a sea change.
 
2009-11-03 9:19:15 AM  

RU_Rules: strathmeyer: Imagine if Gore had called out the WMD lie and stopped the Iraq war instead of winning the Nobel prize.

THIS. Imagine though, had he not created the internet, we wouldn't be here on Fark, wasting time and energy.


He was lying? You do know his admin also believed in WDM... which were found unless 500 tons of yellow cake was just toppings for Sadams nachos. Psst, wsnt the only reason we went in, read and learn http://www.abanet.org/litigation/prog_materials/2008_sectionannual/003.pdf
Too bad Obama had it removed from the original site, whitehouse.gov
 
2009-11-03 9:19:26 AM  
Can we have a separate Nobel award system that is reserved for cheap political token gifts awarded to people who haven't done anything, but demand to have society's collective tongue up their anus? Then we can still pander to politicians while also rewarding ACTUAL excellence in areas like peace and economics for people who *gasp* actually do something worthwhile.
 
2009-11-03 9:22:58 AM  

cwolf20: Sure, why not. After all he created the internet, fire, the wheel, the pony express, and those little twist ties for bread bags


Post-its, don't forget
 
2009-11-03 9:26:17 AM  

snocone: This is a perfect example of all that is wrong with the redistribution of wealth system we currently call capitalism.
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I don't know if you meant to say it like this or not, but spot on. I'm constantly amazed by the huge number of people who think we live in a capitalist society.

 
2009-11-03 9:27:03 AM  
OBTW, this just in,,,
If you HURRY, real fast, you too can invest in this hugely profitable industry. HURRY, HURRY, limited time offer. Just put yer money down
 
2009-11-03 9:27:33 AM  
FTFA:

"The company, Silver Spring Networks, produces hardware and software to make the electricity grid more efficient."

Next thing you know:

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Stop wasting time arguing whether Al's the good guy or not, asshats. The war against the machines is about to begin.

/DUN-DUN DUN DUN-CLANG! DUN-DUN DUN DUN-CLANG!
 
2009-11-03 9:28:55 AM  

bushbot111: snocone: This is a perfect example of all that is wrong with the redistribution of wealth system we currently call capitalism.
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I don't know if you meant to say it like this or not, but spot on. I'm constantly amazed by the huge number of people who think we live in a capitalist society.


even before coffe, just like that.
If I had my coffee, I could make it witty and biting. Settle for crudely insulting.
 
2009-11-03 9:28:58 AM  
Mmmm government contracts. Just makes my dick hard!
 
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