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(JSOnline)   Winner of Lakefront Marathon disqualified because she: A) went out of bounds, B) took water outside of an official station, C) used an iPod   (jsonline.com) divider line
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2009-10-07 11:02:45 PM  

rcain: Hey, rules are rules. She entered the marathon, she was provided all the info, she toted along the ipod and used it anyway. This wasn't some arbitrary decision made on the spot. This was decided before the race and made public in writing and all racers were given notice. So suck it ipod woman.
As for the either woman and the water, sucks... but "unofficial" water might contain more than just water. So booo f'ing hoo. And congrats to the new winner who actually followed the rules.

The biggest tragedy is that this is even news and written up like some injustice has been done.


Are you a CPA?
 
2009-10-08 12:11:56 AM  
I don't have a problem with that...safety is paramount in these things.
 
2009-10-08 12:14:13 AM  
like how did she make it without her cell phone? I mean, OMG I couldn't make it to the door to walk my Chihuahua without my cell phone! Like seriously.
 
2009-10-08 12:14:27 AM  

rcain: Hey, rules are rules. She entered the marathon, she was provided all the info, she toted along the ipod and used it anyway.
The biggest tragedy is that this is even news and written up like some injustice has been done.


This
 
2009-10-08 12:14:28 AM  
Can anybody explain to me what the rationale behind the ban is? The article is no help, and I can't figure it out.
 
2009-10-08 12:14:33 AM  
When I run I always use an iPlod. It gives me an excuse.
 
2009-10-08 12:15:36 AM  
For both who were disqualified I doubt it matters. Amateur runners do it for the sense of accomplishment, and no disqualification for petty rules is going to change the fact that they came in 1st and 2nd in a marathon.
 
2009-10-08 12:16:53 AM  
In a big run with a lot of people, there's lots of jostling and "on your right" and such going on, and if someone's wearing headphones and doesn't hear a "move over" cue, it could cause a collision, injuries, etc - yes, you can get pileups in running races.
 
2009-10-08 12:17:05 AM  
jack21221
Part of running a marathon is mental training. The iPod is considered by many races as a way to help mitigate the mental toughness needed to complete a race.
 
2009-10-08 12:17:13 AM  

jack21221: Can anybody explain to me what the rationale behind the ban is? The article is no help, and I can't figure it out.


Maybe people have been using motivational tapes as a performance edge?
 
2009-10-08 12:17:55 AM  
How else would they be able to listen to Eye Of The Tiger?
 
2009-10-08 12:18:44 AM  

jack21221: Can anybody explain to me what the rationale behind the ban is? The article is no help, and I can't figure it out.


People listening to music aren't paying as much attention to their surroundings, causing problems in crowded races. They can't hear runners coming up behind them and they aren't as aware of what is going on around them as they should be.

Probably not really a problem at the front of the pack, but if you've ever seen a crowded marathon before, you know that it's important to pay attention to all the other people and to be able to hear other runners or crossing guards and the like.

There's also the problem of people dropping their iPods. A friend of mine was in a race where someone dropped it right after the start, then caused a pileup when she tried to pick it up.
 
2009-10-08 12:19:22 AM  

rcain: Hey, rules are rules. She entered the marathon, she was provided all the info, she toted along the ipod and used it anyway. This wasn't some arbitrary decision made on the spot. This was decided before the race and made public in writing and all racers were given notice. So suck it ipod woman.
As for the either woman and the water, sucks... but "unofficial" water might contain more than just water. So booo f'ing hoo. And congrats to the new winner who actually followed the rules.

The biggest tragedy is that this is even news and written up like some injustice has been done.


Hence, my ID.

-1

/you're an idiot
 
2009-10-08 12:22:11 AM  
And none of you holier than though couch potato douchebags can explain how this is a safety issue for the elite runners, but not for the middle of the pack runners, and the slow runners. Get off the couch and run something other than your mouths.
 
2009-10-08 12:22:38 AM  
I feel running competitively with iPods is dangerous and distracting.

I run marathons with the New York Road Runners. They strongly discourage runners from using iPods during races. The runners that do choose to run with them are often in the way since they don't hear your footsteps or breathing as you try to pass them. At water stations they run into you (again, they can't hear you coming).

Also, as I run Central Park the runners you hear plodding along, slapping their feet into the ground are almost always wearing earphones and can't hear their own stomping.
 
2009-10-08 12:22:44 AM  
You are not allowed to use electronic devices for timing reasons I believe. Rule goes back to ban stopwatches that allow runners to pace themselves. For example, if you know you are running slightly too fast or slightly too slow, that gives you an advantage over other runners.
 
2009-10-08 12:23:19 AM  
What if she had jumped in a cab and finished that way?

She would be disqualified.

Why?

Because it was against the rules.
 
2009-10-08 12:25:09 AM  
No, actually you folks have it wrong. This ONLY applies to elite, front of the pack athletes, everybody else may use their ipods all they want. Cell phones, too.

This is not a safety rule, it is a competitive rule. There used to be one forbidding watches, and people got disqualified for that.

BTW, you only think you are in the same race with the elite runners, but if you should happen to beat one to win, you will find out different! Technically you are not eligible for trophy or prize money.
 
2009-10-08 12:28:27 AM  
They're also banned in bike racing. I really don't see them in road racing, but I do in mountain bike racing.

I had to run a guy off the trail once because he couldn't hear me calling out that I was behind him and wanted to pass. He started in the wave before me and he was holding me up from catching the leader of my class.
 
2009-10-08 12:31:57 AM  

jack21221: Can anybody explain to me what the rationale behind the ban is? The article is no help, and I can't figure it out.


While I like to walk with an mp3 player, I'd think for professional crap you'd actually perform better without it
 
2009-10-08 12:32:31 AM  
It's late, I was just seeing if she was hot.

Anything else really matter?
 
2009-10-08 12:32:44 AM  
Maybe she should have used a Zune.
 
2009-10-08 12:34:32 AM  

jack21221: Can anybody explain to me what the rationale behind the ban is? The article is no help, and I can't figure it out.


Well, there's the safety thing, which has already been mentioned - and in amateur marathons there can't be personnel stationed at every 1/4 mile, so that's key.

However, people use music to help establish rhythm. A marathon is a solitary event that's intended to be a test not just to a person's body but to their psyche as well. You're supposed to weather through the alone-ness. Having an iPod provide your rhythm for you is a form of unfair advantage in long distance running.

Sorry, but it's a good, fair rule.
 
2009-10-08 12:34:56 AM  
That's why I always carry an airhorn!

/It comes in handy when people drive while talking on the phone or texting, too!
 
2009-10-08 12:36:33 AM  
Slackers

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2009-10-08 12:38:36 AM  

aharown: I don't have a problem with that...safety is paramount in these things.


I guess I don't understand why it's okay for some runners but not the good ones. Seems sort of arbitrary.
 
2009-10-08 12:39:14 AM  

lenina4sammy: jack21221: Can anybody explain to me what the rationale behind the ban is? The article is no help, and I can't figure it out.

Well, there's the safety thing, which has already been mentioned - and in amateur marathons there can't be personnel stationed at every 1/4 mile, so that's key.

However, people use music to help establish rhythm. A marathon is a solitary event that's intended to be a test not just to a person's body but to their psyche as well. You're supposed to weather through the alone-ness. Having an iPod provide your rhythm for you is a form of unfair advantage in long distance running.

Sorry, but it's a good, fair rule.


They why doesn't it apply to the 'mid pack runners'?
 
2009-10-08 12:39:35 AM  
you guys are doing nothing to convince me of my notion that all serious runners are batshiat crazy.
 
2009-10-08 12:40:22 AM  
Rules are rules, yadda yadda.

But I can't run or jog unless I'm listening to some tunes.
 
2009-10-08 12:41:11 AM  

lenina4sammy: You're supposed to weather through the alone-ness.


Oh, I finally get this song. Link (new window)
 
2009-10-08 12:41:19 AM  

we_hates: Slackers


Sort of want. I'm a huge fan of toned, athletic legs on girls.

/heh, who isn't?
 
2009-10-08 12:42:30 AM  

andyofne: lenina4sammy: jack21221: Can anybody explain to me what the rationale behind the ban is? The article is no help, and I can't figure it out.

They why doesn't it apply to the 'mid pack runners'?


I have no idea, and it's asinine that it doesn't. However, was that the question I was answering? I didn't make the ruling, so don't get snippy with me for not answering a question jack21221 didn't ask.
 
2009-10-08 12:42:52 AM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: And none of you holier than though couch potato douchebags can explain how this is a safety issue for the elite runners, but not for the middle of the pack runners, and the slow runners. Get off the couch and run something other than your mouths.



Calm down kid. My personal guess is that music makes keeping a faster pace easier. Just a guess, I could be wrong. In any case, though, why are you so bitter? Was this your girlfriend or something? And as rcain said at the beginning, it's the rules. She violated a rule and was disqualified. This isn't a case of judges being jerks just because they can. You can insult and yell at everyone all you want. No one's going to take you seriously if you do.
 
2009-10-08 12:43:59 AM  
The ability to use an ipod to set your pace is a big part of the reason. Heck, Nike even makes a little add-on for an ipod that will track your stride and give you regular updates on your distance, speed, and number of strides taken. Most officiating bodies see such an aid as too much of a technological advantage.
 
2009-10-08 12:44:47 AM  

b230fbuddy: You are not allowed to use electronic devices for timing reasons I believe. Rule goes back to ban stopwatches that allow runners to pace themselves. For example, if you know you are running slightly too fast or slightly too slow, that gives you an advantage over other runners.


OH well. I paced myself in every road race. Slow and steady at start and mop the street with people in the last half mile. I'd ask people along the course what time it was or look at a digital clock on some building and guesstimate a checkpoint from there. Should I have been disqualified? And this was years before ipods were a glint in someone's eyes.
 
2009-10-08 12:44:55 AM  

lenina4sammy: andyofne: lenina4sammy: jack21221: Can anybody explain to me what the rationale behind the ban is? The article is no help, and I can't figure it out.

They why doesn't it apply to the 'mid pack runners'?

I have no idea, and it's asinine that it doesn't. However, was that the question I was answering? I didn't make the ruling, so don't get snippy with me for not answering a question jack21221 didn't ask.


How the fark do you get 'snippy' out of my question?
 
2009-10-08 12:45:34 AM  

Fonda Furburger: I feel running competitively with iPods is dangerous and distracting.

I run marathons with the New York Road Runners. They strongly discourage runners from using iPods during races. The runners that do choose to run with them are often in the way since they don't hear your footsteps or breathing as you try to pass them. At water stations they run into you (again, they can't hear you coming).

Also, as I run Central Park the runners you hear plodding along, slapping their feet into the ground are almost always wearing earphones and can't hear their own stomping.


Uhm, wouldn't that mean you are running in to them? Hell, if they're ahead of you they should be acting like an obstacle. That is racing.

And the article says it applies to "elite" runners. By all accounts, this lady is not an elite(professional) runner, she is an amateur.
 
2009-10-08 12:45:43 AM  
iPods and water bottle disqualifications? Hell I remember back in my day when there was real cheating, like when Rosie Ruiz won by taking a trainride to within a short distance from the finish line in the New York marathon, and in Boston she basically jumped out from the crowd to finish the last leg of that one.
 
2009-10-08 12:45:52 AM  
An mp3 player could help you keep a certain pace, it disconnects you from the race environment so you can't hear cues (get outta my way yo), and honestly its just farking weak to depend on a little electronic device to get you through a run. I don't even use it for training...if the run itself isn't enough motivation then you should go find an activity you actually want to do.
 
2009-10-08 12:47:19 AM  

we_hates: lenina4sammy: You're supposed to weather through the alone-ness.

Oh, I finally get this song. Link (new window)


I like that song. Though, if they were really committed, they would have found a way to make it take at least 30 min (a good pro time for the 10,000 metre run) or 2 hours and 10 min (obviously for the marathon).

/Okay, that's kinda nerdy.
 
2009-10-08 12:47:48 AM  
Is she wearing running gloves?
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2009-10-08 12:48:12 AM  

Xlr8urfark: we_hates: Slackers

Sort of want. I'm a huge fan of toned, athletic legs on girls.

/heh, who isn't?


I'm sure she's way too skinny for fark. This girl is actually in shape.
 
2009-10-08 12:48:27 AM  

rcain: Hell, this article reminds me of one I read in SFGate earlier this year where some woman registered in mid-pack and then came in ahead of the Elite and the SFGate writer was whining saying how unfair it was that she didn't win 1st in the marathon and get the pot-o-gold, when she wasn't technically in the same race as the elite runners.


The article *could* have provided a little info on the distinction between runner types. I didn't know that myself. The way it looks, it seems arbitrary.

Thanks for clearing that up.
 
2009-10-08 12:49:47 AM  
shiat. I ran six years of high school cross country (and I was serious about it, damnit) and never noticed this sort of rule in any of the road races I ran in. Heck, all of 'em allowed watches.

Beside, I don't think music or w/e shiat is that big deal. Either you can run/beat them or you can't. Nothing beside yourself is gonna help.

/Pussies.
 
2009-10-08 12:50:04 AM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: rcain: Hey, rules are rules. She entered the marathon, she was provided all the info, she toted along the ipod and used it anyway. This wasn't some arbitrary decision made on the spot. This was decided before the race and made public in writing and all racers were given notice. So suck it ipod woman.
As for the either woman and the water, sucks... but "unofficial" water might contain more than just water. So booo f'ing hoo. And congrats to the new winner who actually followed the rules.

The biggest tragedy is that this is even news and written up like some injustice has been done.

Hence, my ID.

-1

/you're an idiot


I'll go slashy-free on this one

you're an idiot
 
2009-10-08 12:53:57 AM  

andyofne: lenina4sammy: andyofne: lenina4sammy: jack21221: Can anybody explain to me what the rationale behind the ban is? The article is no help, and I can't figure it out.

They why doesn't it apply to the 'mid pack runners'?

I have no idea, and it's asinine that it doesn't. However, was that the question I was answering? I didn't make the ruling, so don't get snippy with me for not answering a question jack21221 didn't ask.

How the fark do you get 'snippy' out of my question?


'Cause, how do you get that I even have that knowledge? Not to mention, you'd already asked it. Or did you not refresh the page before your own question showed up?

Seriously, why on earth would I know that? It's stupid to only disqualify the one person.

However, if you insist I should have the answer, I could make an ASS U Mption: According to the article, she admitted she used it improve her performance between miles 19 and 21. FTA: "I wasn't listening to it earlier in the race. I wasn't going to put the music on unless I thought I needed it. If you're bored, it pumps you up a little bit..."

Perhaps the other people used it the whole time and indicated that it provided no assistance. It would still be a stupid ruling to make, but that's all I got.
 
2009-10-08 12:54:09 AM  
Her arms are way too high/tight. Your stride comes from your arms ferchrissakes. Doesn't she know anything?
 
2009-10-08 12:55:00 AM  
Thousands of people have completed Ironman races (myself included) that last from 8-17 hours. NO ONE uses an iPod for the bike or run portion of these, and yet they all manage to somehow get through it.

The "I can't run without my iPod" crowd needs to just deal with it on race day and stop whining.
 
2009-10-08 12:56:05 AM  
billb: No, actually you folks have it wrong. This ONLY applies to elite, front of the pack athletes, everybody else may use their ipods all they want. Cell phones, too.

Yep, this that and the other.

And the thing about finishing is really crap when you consider that someone can run faster than anyone else, and still not win.
 
2009-10-08 12:58:11 AM  

Bonanza Jellybean: Her arms are way too high/tight. Your stride comes from your arms ferchrissakes. Doesn't she know anything?


Perhaps she's training for the next Rocky film?
 
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