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(NewsOfTheWorld)   Superweapons that the U.S. will be using against the terrorists   ( divider line
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2001-09-17 12:09:17 AM  
YES! Djibouti is on our side!!
2001-09-17 12:10:24 AM  
BWUAHAHAHAHA! Take that filter!
2001-09-17 12:13:19 AM  
I want that rifle so bad right now...
2001-09-17 12:23:51 AM  
I would really love to see those ROBOT TOY thingies in action. Picture thousands of little poisonous gas robots swarming an afghani - lol.
2001-09-17 12:25:46 AM  
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Its an 88 Magnum...

It shoots through schools
2001-09-17 12:43:13 AM lists the F-111 and A-6, both of which have been retired for a couple of years now. I also recall reading about that super-rifle and I believe it's not in service yet. This sounds like a high schooler's essay about NATO weapons.
2001-09-17 12:52:10 AM  
While the stuff about the weaponry is certainly interesting, the article is pure trash. "Countries for USA" and "Countries for Afghanistan." Perhaps someone should have pointed out to the writers that Afghanistan is not the target of the United States, but Bin Laden. Also, Iran is clearly abhorred at Tuesday's events, and is taking a stance similar to the rest of the Arab league...
News of the World isn't suitable to gut fish on.
2001-09-17 12:59:38 AM  
pop quiz hot shiat, which plane is *not* used by the US....

the mothafarking tornado.... originally a plane of british design.

*the ill*
2001-09-17 01:01:22 AM  
The Americans don't have Tornado's. They are used mostly by Britain and Germany. They also have a picture of a Harrier instead of a Tornado.

High School? Closer to elementary school.
2001-09-17 01:02:09 AM  
Ack. Johny beat me to it.
2001-09-17 01:14:25 AM  
"The smallest new fighters are called Robot Swarm - thousands of tiny machines concealed within an armoured vehicle that smashes its way into buildings.

Then the robots - looking similar to radio-controlled toys - swarm out like ants, each carrying explosives, stun guns or poison gas."

2001-09-17 01:15:09 AM  
Your're right Yaysnfekshun. The rifle is still being tested, it'll be a couple of more years before it will be issued to all the troops. I guess they will get to do some "field tests" in a little while.
2001-09-17 01:26:48 AM  
My favorite rifle, as far as destruction goes, is the .50 caliber BMG. That is one mean gun.
2001-09-17 01:35:03 AM  
just testing to see if you can say boobies
2001-09-17 03:14:16 AM  
Status quo, you mean first post, right?
2001-09-17 03:19:41 AM  
Yet another dumbass site that somehow thinks killing the back button is somehow witty and will make people want to come back to them.
2001-09-17 04:06:53 AM  
"The smallest new fighters are called Robot Swarm - thousands of tiny machines concealed within an armoured vehicle that smashes its way into buildings.

Then the robots - looking similar to radio-controlled toys - swarm out like ants, each carrying explosives, stun guns or poison gas."

Sounds like the mlitary is picking up on anime...
2001-09-17 05:09:57 AM  
Now someone tell me this is propoganda
I will be mightly pissed off if it is not...
2001-09-17 05:55:56 AM  
Sounds like someone wanted to spice up a briefing with Bush...

"What weapons do we have?"
"Well, Mr. President, if you increase our R&D budget you can have laser guns, teeny-tiny killer robots and FOFTRAC HUD systems. For another 10 billion you can have a Death Star too."
2001-09-17 06:33:54 AM  
Where do these guys get their information, Popular Science? The entire Land Warrior projesct was just R&D.

The majority of troops are armed with the standard M-16A2, the over/under job looks and sounds cool, but the damned thing probably weighs about 20 lbs by iself, and 20mm shells aren't featherlight either. Just what you would need, troops that move at a snail's pace because they're laden down with gear that weighs as much as they do.

API, the Browning is great, but I think in the case of bin Laden, you'll be looking at the good ole' Barret M-82A.

2001-09-17 06:58:19 AM  
hmm, although the verity of the information is questionable...i'll assume it's all true.

Half of me is thinking.."oooh! cool weapons! let's play"
and the other half is thinking "i hope 'let's play' is not what is going through Bush's mind"

It all seems a bit like they just want to play the war game.

i'm worried.
2001-09-17 07:20:32 AM  
Unless that rifle's made of carbon fiber, it'd be too heavy to use in the field, much less drop out of an airplane with Special Forces. I recall that it's still in an early testing phase.

As for the "super-cavitating torpedo"...the last thing any submariner wants is something launched from it that cavitates so much it flies into the air. Cavitation = noise = bad people can find the sub. There ARE missiles that are launched from underwater, but they go into the air immediately upon reaching the surface.
2001-09-17 07:49:32 AM  
Hmm, no one picked up on the idea of firing a 20mm from the shoulder. I believe it would be a single shot 20mm rifle, as the soldier's shoulder would then have to be surgically put back on his body afterward from the recoil of the damn thing. There's a reason that army's have been putting smaller caliber rifles in the field, not larger.
2001-09-17 07:58:35 AM  
Yes! my first submission got posted!
2001-09-17 08:00:58 AM  
All this talk of weapons is making my dick get hard.
2001-09-17 08:06:22 AM  
Funny that they don't mention the real secret weapons we have.

Things like orbitting mass drivers, or gigantic airborne weapons platforms (remember that "UFO" over Phoenix?)

If we wanted to, we could lay waste to their country without even dropping a single nuclear device.
2001-09-17 08:31:39 AM  
Just Lurking, Its a recoiless rifle. The US has many versions in the system now. They use a 9mm tracer as a spotting round then follow it up with the big boy.

Last I heard (and I've been out of the loop for a few years) the superrifle their talking about is part of a total package that includes about 50 lbs of armor and electronics and is still in proof of concept. But then again, the F117 was still in development when it was used in Panama, so who knows.
2001-09-17 09:12:45 AM  
Wow, we're all like boom, pow, atatatatat! and they're all like ow, stop it
2001-09-17 09:15:14 AM  
Far as I know, all "recoiless" rifles fire a rocket propelled round, which has a back blast. Again, the soldier who fired the 20mm "recoiless" round would have their shoulder taken off from the back blast. Every action has a positive reaction. If there is no recoil, or back blast, then the round goes "plop" a couple of feet in front of the rifle. Now, if the 20mm shell is fired "mortar-style" which is not included in the essay, then it's possible.

However, reading the entire article, I had a good belly laugh, condidering most of the so-called weapons they were citing were just not possible. If a plane carried "4,400" pound bombs, as the F-15 was cited to carry, it would not get off the ground. This article was intended to eitherscare the crap out of the Afghans, or give people a good laugh.

Also, how is a bomb, dropped from a plane, going to hit anything from 18 miles away? That would be called a missile, not a bomb.

Like I said, a good belly laugh.
2001-09-17 09:26:03 AM  
For non-UK Farkers:
The News Of The World is not a quality news source... Just the Sunday edition of the Sun. Which is most renowned for a) having 5 inch high front page headlines of such important news as "Now Only 60p!" and b) for having half naked women on page 3. So Yaysnfekshun's "high schooler" comment is about right.
2001-09-17 09:35:22 AM  
JL: Can't find any details on recoilless guns, but here's a quick piece.

So, no rocket propulsion. Just reduced efficiency.
2001-09-17 09:46:21 AM  
Aren't we fighting Afghanistan, here?!

We could send in a platoon of Green Berets with broken beer bottles and trash can lids in a minivan and have the capital stormed in three weeks...
2001-09-17 10:01:57 AM  
Actually, the F111 mentioned, the Raven and the EA-6B Prowler are both reconnaisance/electronic warfare versions of the aircraft that are still in service. Yeah, the article is still pretty juvenile, but I wanted to point that out!
2001-09-17 10:40:05 AM  
Te News of the World is the UK equivalent of Weekly World News, so take the journalistic integrity with a pinch of salt... BTW, someone at NotW needs to sharpen up their dhtml skillz - sheesh.
2001-09-17 10:47:47 AM  
All this Hi-tech bullshiat isn't what we need to be talking about.
Lets start talking about special forces.
The Seal Teams 1, 2 and especially 6.
Delta Force.

These are the folks that we will be leaning the most on.
2001-09-17 10:53:37 AM  
What, No pictures or stats on our latest construction of Mechagodzilla?
2001-09-17 10:54:13 AM  
Doesn't that double-barreled deal look like the gun Balki sold Eddie Murphy in that last Beverly Hills Cop movie? I bet Balki's glad he started supplementing his income by selling arms to the government, I don't think the Perfect Strangers Movie is going to make it to the big screen.
2001-09-17 11:09:05 AM  
Midgettossa: that's what came to my mind too, only this one doesn't seem to have a microwave.
2001-09-17 12:02:01 PM  
Wow, a huge laser gun, just like in Real Genius. Except I doubt the U.S. Military will be making huge batches of popcorn for Osama.
2001-09-17 12:03:00 PM  
Let me clear my throat...

The "Super-rifle" is the OICW, Objective Infantry Combat Weapon. The current M203 (M16 with 40mm grenade launcher) is heavy, and most of the weight is at the front. The grenade launcher is fired from the shoulder, and no, it doesn't hurt much at all. The 20mm grenades they're talking about have about the same recoil. Some OICW facts.

The "hidden target" capability is that the grenades can be programmed to explode airburst (hitting someone in a foxhole, for instance), or on passing an obstacle (hitting someone hiding behind a wall).

The .50BMG and the Barrett M82 fire the same round. It's also the same round used in the M2 "Ma Deuce" Heavy MAchine Gun. They come in high explosive and armor piercing flavors.

And as for the alleged "mass drivers" and orbiting clusterfunks, stop playing Red Alert and get in the real world.
2001-09-17 12:12:45 PM  
An orbitting mass driver isn't that complicated at all.

Drop a 20-ton solid steel sphere from orbit over a predetermined location.

Watch it hit the ground with the force of 1,000 Hiroshimas.

All it takes is a little math and a little preperation. The technology is all there and it's mind-bogglingly simple. To assume that there wouldn't be some preparation for events such as this is absurd.
2001-09-17 12:28:11 PM  
And how does said 20-ton sphere get there?

I'm no rocket scientist, but I seem to remember that sending an object into orbit requires some incredible multiple of energy for each unit of mass.

Why reinvent the wheel when we've got perfectly good nuclear weapons right here?
2001-09-17 12:38:10 PM  
FYI more info on the "super gun"
Its made by HK (german = VERY nice weapons = $$$ )
and Alliant Techsystems​/oicw-ne w.htm
Oh and I think Raytheon makes the scope/laserdodadrangefinder
2001-09-17 01:01:14 PM  
And how does said 20-ton sphere get there?

I'm no rocket scientist, but I seem to remember that sending an object into orbit requires some incredible multiple of energy for each unit of mass.

The space shuttle weighs 115 tons without fuel. You figure it out.

Why reinvent the wheel when we've got perfectly good nuclear weapons right here?

No radiation, for one thing.
2001-09-17 01:01:25 PM  
20mm grenade launcher is quite different from what I was thinking. I was picturing a 20mm "bullet" - the big brother of the 50 BMG. Grenade launchers are on a whole different principle. But, why go down to 20mm grenades when 40s are so much better? Who knows...

Still, good for laughs that article was.
2001-09-17 01:03:47 PM  
The lower receiver is straight M-16. I understand that H-K is making the upper receiver. Interesting statistic on the recoil. It's compared to the M14, which is 7.62mm NATO (.308 Winchester). The M16/OICW is 5.56mm NATO (.223 Remington). Apples and oranges.

On the plus side, the whole system is supposed to come in around 12 pounds. I'd rather have a 7.62 folder (short barrel and collapsable buttstock), but this would be a welcome addition to my squad or team.

Oh, and it's not supposed to be deployed until 2009.

It's not such a superweapon that they'd push it out now. I mean basically it's a rifle with a really cool grenade launcher. Most soldiers come equipped with two manually-operated grenade launchers.
2001-09-17 01:19:07 PM  
They left out a couple:

The shiat. bomb. Far too nast to be tested at this point.

The knife bomb: launches billions of knives in all directions. Can also be fitted with syringes full of draino.
2001-09-17 01:24:59 PM  
Real or not...any of these weapons would be a lot of fun...
2001-09-17 01:54:19 PM  
First things first. Let's spike their water supply with good ole government issue LSD. and dog turds, lots of dog turds.
2001-09-17 02:14:53 PM  
We should really consider pig turds, not dog turds
2001-09-17 02:52:04 PM  
Just Lurking:
The AF has been dropping bombs from 18+ miles away for quite some time. If they are laser guided then they can steer. The Plane starts climbing, and then "drops" the bomb. The bomb then continues on the ballistic trojectory started by the plane. The plane veers away, the bomb continues on the parabola, and then finally hits, some miles away. If you launch one of these from 30+ thousand feet, then there is quite a distance for inerta to carry it before it hits the ground.
2001-09-17 04:15:55 PM  
I was much more impressed with a rifle HK developed about a decade ago that fired caseless .223 ammo. It was small light effective to 600 meters. The thing had a muzzle velocity of around 4900 fps. I believe the number they gave for terminal energy was something close to 1800 ft.pnds. with a 62 grain bullet at 600 meters. It was a nasty little thing. The rounds were 1 1/4" long by 1/4" square. Yeah, you heard me, square. The chamber actually tipped up to receive the next round and the gun was top fed. A 50 round clip looked like one of those old polaroid flash bars from when I was a kid. The ammo was light enough and small enough that they estimated the average soldier would have no trouble carrying 100 rounds. It seemed like quite a nifty weapon. I never heard what happened with it.
2001-09-17 04:17:30 PM  
Oops, I just read that and realized one thing didn't sound right. The bullet itself was not square just the shell. The round .223 bullet was enclosed in the square propellant block.
2001-09-17 06:12:02 PM  
I though the standard NATO round is 7.62mm?
2001-09-17 06:29:32 PM  
It was called the G11 (Gee-eleven, in case your browser cant' tell between one and ell). It fired a very small round, and there were some cost and technical issues.

In addition, small fast bullets carry a lot of energy (E = m * v^2), but deliver that energy poorly. One of the Delta operators in Somalia was cursing the .223 (5.56mm NATO) for not killing on one hit, like his old .308 (7.62 NATO).

NATO uses a multitude of standard rounds. The 5.56mm NATO is the standard rifle round, while the 7.62 NATO is more of a sniper round.
2001-09-17 06:31:47 PM  
7.62mm is SKS and AK47's

I guess you could snipe with that if you lived in a cave and mated with camels in your spare time.
2001-09-17 07:07:34 PM  
somebody told me that when men under the taliban happen to see another man naked they are supposed to stop and do a little prayer on the spot, so I say we make sure we send a "crack" troop over, meaning right at the point of attack they pop up, flash them a BA and then when they kneel to pray the follow up team wastes them, also pork grenades and copies of bay watch could be lobbed at them effectively
2001-09-17 07:24:18 PM  


The SKS/AK series is 7.62mm x 39mm, which is a carbine round, and has about the same ballistics as a 30-30 (i.e. crappy). Nice jungle round, but that's about it. Actually, the more recent AK's (AK74?) are 5.56mm, but also a Warsaw Pact round.

The 7.62 NATO is (I believe) 54mm in length. It's the same exact round as the .308 Winchester, just as the 5.56mm NATO is a .223 Remington. The old Warsaw Pact countries also had a 7.62 long, I think it was a 7.62 x 55. It was used in the Dragunov sniper rifles, among others.
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