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(New Scientist)   First leaded, then unleaded, next: Jojoba   ( divider line
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2003-03-06 08:55:28 AM  
2003-03-06 08:57:01 AM  
So what, it matches the power of US diesel. Ever notice how European diesels are much more powerful, European countries use better diesel fuels. This is why higher power diesel engines are stuck in Europe and cannot be exported to the states.
2003-03-06 09:00:06 AM  
I'm sure there's a way to turn farts into fuel for cars, but what good would that do the oil companies?

I'm mean come on people how are the rich gonna get richer if we keep finding safer and cleaner ways to fuel automobiles.

2003-03-06 09:01:01 AM  
Wow, this research coming from Saudi Arabia? I guess they want to turn their desert into a Jojoba farm once they run out of oil.
2003-03-06 09:01:02 AM  
Oh man, it's going to be sooooo funny when someone inevitably posts that we should find out who has all the jojoba and go bomb them.

Can't wait.
2003-03-06 09:02:10 AM  
It'll be even more funny when shrub announces it on the news tonight.
2003-03-06 09:02:54 AM  
Silly LawTalkingGuy..

You know that if Africa had the majority of oil reserves.. we'd be bombing them for being black.

I still wonder why I haven't been banned from fark, yet.
2003-03-06 09:04:36 AM  
I'm going right out and buying huge tracts of desert.
2003-03-06 09:05:36 AM  
I'm off modifying my moped. See ya later.
2003-03-06 09:09:50 AM  
I live on Jojoba Road.

I have never, EVER not had to spell it out to people after I say it.
2003-03-06 09:11:35 AM  
Yo Yo Ma is gaga about jojoba.
2003-03-06 09:12:07 AM  
This thing can only grow in the desert. Back to Middle-East suppliers again :)
2003-03-06 09:13:29 AM  
Jojoba. I've been using that stuff for years. It's all thanks to my time machine. Best purchase EVER.
2003-03-06 09:14:10 AM  
That's it. I'm moving to the Southwest and starting a Jojoba farm...

Well, maybe not.

/gots nuttin'
2003-03-06 09:16:47 AM  
How long until someone determines that jojoba is related to hemp, and bans it?
2003-03-06 09:17:00 AM  
Jojoba - a nut oil, huh? Sounds like some sort of exotic spice, like something Emeril might get fired up about.

"Hey, this remoulade is a little flat. Let's kick it up a notch with some jojoba - BAM!"
2003-03-06 09:17:03 AM  
Shouldn't that be SPLIFFY, not SPIFFY?
2003-03-06 09:21:22 AM  
Geez, all we need in Chicago is to have the cab drivers driving a car fueled with opium oil.
2003-03-06 09:21:35 AM  
I remember reading/hearing something about some guy who invented a car that ran on water and he was paid a huge sum of money to STFU. It was probably just a urban myth but has anyone else heard of it?
2003-03-06 09:27:08 AM  
Yeah, but can you it?
2003-03-06 09:27:12 AM  
With global warming going as it is... Soon most of the west will be a desert...

Also, since this derived from plants, maybe we will see the greening of the deserts... Now that would be cool.. Solar powered pumps getting water to ariate the "fields"...

I ain't a tree hugger or anything... It just would be cool to see a green desert... It would also help reduce global warming and replace all the trees lost in the Rain Forests...

And in closing... Bomb Iraq
2003-03-06 09:28:17 AM  
ok, so my html skills leave something to be desired.

Should have asked if you can smoke it.
2003-03-06 09:30:13 AM  
This is great. Now all we need to figure out is how to synthesize jojoba methyl ester from petroleum or coal.
2003-03-06 09:34:02 AM  
A related story there is noting that extract o' urine is useful for diesel engines as well. Stop flushing... now.
2003-03-06 09:35:23 AM  

Or Lyang-Lyang.

I just find it ironic that a bunch of Arabs are working away in a lab somewhere, trying to find an alternative to the only reason the middle east isn't a second Horn of Africa.

After oil, the only other export in that part of the world is sand , olives and plane crashes.
2003-03-06 09:36:02 AM  
I can't wait until the cactus huggers protest this one.

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2003-03-06 09:36:31 AM  
Cooking oil, as mentioned, can also be used in a modified diesel engines...makes the exhaust smell like french fries (sorry...FREEDOM fries) from what I'm told. I don't know if I want my car exhaust smelling like women's hand cream.
2003-03-06 09:39:47 AM  
I just think it's fantastic that as soon as the oil is gone, giant agribusinesses like Monsanto are going to control our food AND our fuel.

I am SO buying shares in Big Food.

and Jay-Tea, I don't think a car can run on water. It's ash, after all. Unless it were some exotic reverse fuel cell that takes water and produces electricity and hydrogen or something. So it's either horribly inefficient, or an urban legend.

It's definitely more than a 'carburetor that lets the engine run on water', which I've herad of before.
2003-03-06 09:45:37 AM  
Is it true that in the States they have dropped the "French" from the fries?
2003-03-06 09:51:06 AM  
Pablogott: Nope, we still wolf 'em down even though their called french. Fries surrender?

On a positive note, we have seasoned fries so you can add extra salt to your fat and oil. *chuckle*
2003-03-06 09:51:06 AM  
Heterodyne, that's nothing. Still trying to decide whether it's
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that the Saudis want to own free elections.
2003-03-06 10:09:31 AM  
He who controls the jojoba controls the universe! The jojoba must flow!
2003-03-06 10:31:08 AM  
I'm not giving up my Jojoba. I use it for kitten killing sessions.

/all your Jojoba are belong to us.
2003-03-06 10:35:51 AM  
I heard they found a way to make fuel out of hazelnuts...

I'm still waiting for the Lexus that runs on bald-eagle heads.....

/crappy SNL transcribing
2003-03-06 10:51:17 AM  
Hehe, Billy Connolly should do a skit about this.
2003-03-06 10:54:12 AM  
which...may explain why the engine runs more quietly on the nut oil.

They have engines that run on semen?
2003-03-06 10:54:48 AM  
Our next staging area--Mexico.
2003-03-06 10:56:14 AM  
"Maybe I like Pert, but Pert costs a little more. So I take the jajajaboba, I squirt it all over the floor like it's somebody's load, people are slipping, sliding. I put the Pert in the jajajaboba bottle, 2 bucks"

Andrew Dice Clay (horrible paraphrase from memory, sorry)
2003-03-06 10:56:24 AM  
Arable farmers in Egypt have already use...nut oil as a fuel.

What?!?! How long have they been doing that?
2003-03-06 11:04:40 AM  
I've beeen making diesel fuel from plant oils for years, using the exact same process. In fact, lots of people have. In Germany, they have had hundreds of gas stations selling the stuff for years. There are even several stations selling it in the US. This is old news. Very old.
2003-03-06 11:11:28 AM  
But have you been running the engines on your nut oil like those silly arable farmers in egypt?
2003-03-06 11:17:42 AM  
03-06-03 09:21:35 AM Jay-Tea

I remember reading/hearing something about some guy who invented a car that ran on water and he was paid a huge sum of money to STFU. It was probably just a urban myth but has anyone else heard of it?

This page lists a few fraud inventers

Actually, one of these schemes really worked, still trying to find a link. From what I remember the alkaline additive used tore up engines pretty bad, so no one was very interested.

The problem is that water doesn't have very much potential energy, although you can use it as a working fluid as in steam engines.
2003-03-06 11:23:38 AM  
okay, so they need craploads of nuts to extract oil from...

doesn't this sound like making a car powered by bald eagle eggs or something?

cost/benefit analysis of creating this fuel would be helpful
2003-03-06 11:40:06 AM  
PossibleSideEffects: "But have you been running the engines on your nut oil like those silly arable farmers in egypt?"

Nut oil, olive oil, rapeseed (canola) oil, corn oil, palm oil, peanut oil, beef fat, pork fat etc. etc.
2003-03-06 11:44:44 AM

Make your own. Works in most diesel engines. You can even use used oil. I used to get mine from a friend at McDonalds for free. After filtering and reacting it with sodium methoxide (methanol+lye), it came to about 50 cents a gallon.
2003-03-06 11:49:54 AM  
Mike Weath
Yeah, cuz I've got to do SOMETHING with all this sodium methoxide I've got lying around.
2003-03-06 11:53:58 AM  
You make the sodium methoxide. You just mix methanol and lye in the right proportions.

Lye you can get at the supermarket, or home improvement store, methanol, you can get at one of these places:

Dyce Chemical Inc. -- 1353 Taylor Pl., Billings MT, USA (406) 248-3131 -- 99+% methanol available in 55-gallon drums only. Call center (Pennsylvania) 888-926-4151. Sales (Montreal) 514-636-9230.

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2003-03-06 11:57:20 AM  
Call me when they construct an engine that runs on Man-Chowder...

Energy. Crisis. Solved.
2003-03-06 11:58:47 AM  
You can make yours however you want (whatever turns you on), but I make my nut oil like this:

....ah nevermind
2003-03-06 11:58:57 AM  
I was just being a smartarse. I actually want a lot more WIND power for the house.

My point is that if it were that easy to make my own fuel in useful amounts, I probably would. But to make enough of it starts to be a full time job. Collecting 'free' oil, running the process, pouring it into fuel cans, cleanup, etc - would take a long time.

I have a 2 room apartment, nowhere to start running a dangerous (and flammable :))chemical processing operation. So the value proposition isn't that high. If I want biodiesel, I'll buy it.

Unless I start a biodiesel company :)
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