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2003-03-03 08:45:04 PM  

you WERE serious? Yoinks.

you're a nation of immigrants.

immigrants speak many languages.

kids of immigrants speak english even if english is not spoken in the home or in the ethnic community.

how does providing services in the langauge of the immigrants, therby hastening the process by which they become assimilated, hurt you? how does it weaken you? how does it do anything, in fact, other than STRENTHENING you like hundreds of threads put together to form an unbreakable rope?

Unless it's just plain ol' racism masquerading as politican interest, in which case...sure, you hate immigrants (especially the ones who don't speak english, especially the non-white ones) and having "their" language thrown in your face every time you get on the subway pisses you off...in which case there's no arguing with you cuz a racist always knows he's right.
2003-03-03 08:45:50 PM  
And, don't give me any sh*t about me being Whitey trying to impress my (obviously inferior) culture on the underprivilaged minorities. That a big crock. I was raised in Atlanta. That's right. Majority black. Black run. I'm proud of my black heritage. I was born and bred in this briar patch. I'm just white on the outside.

This is supposed to be The Melting Pot.
In order to get a homogenious culture, we all need to be speaking the same language. No?
2003-03-03 08:50:10 PM  
By the way, "racist" is the wrong term. That has to do with physical attributes. "Bigot" would be the proper term. But I'm not a bigot. I don't need my ancestor's culture to prevail above others. I need a culture to develop out of all the cultures we have here. Accomodating difference is important. But when it goes too far it becomes accomodating separation. America has been culturally splintered too long, already. We need to put the blender on "frappe" and mix it all up, already.
2003-03-03 08:51:07 PM  
. . already.
2003-03-03 08:55:11 PM  
keep your melting pot.

we have a "cultural mosaic". i like it.

g'night. going home. play nice.
2003-03-03 08:57:53 PM  
We do have a "cultural mosaic." You're quite correct, Friend.

Pretty . . decorative . . artistic . . nonfunctional.
2003-03-03 08:59:24 PM  
(Secret: The blender is already on "frappe". The more television we all watch, the more homoginized our thinking becomes.)
2003-03-03 09:04:50 PM  
W00t! I walked into a flame war.
2003-03-03 09:05:33 PM  
people who want other people to learn English should learn how to spell English words.
2003-03-03 09:08:26 PM  
No flame war here, AFM.
It's just Nanoo jumping up and down like an enraged chimpanzee, again.
No big deal.
2003-03-03 09:09:33 PM  
what does this even mean?

(Secret: The blender is already on "frappe". The more television we all watch, the more homoginized our thinking becomes.)
2003-03-03 09:11:32 PM  
I don't have any problem with stuff like this subway thing, if companies and the government want to provide services in people's native languages, that they're most comfortable with, thats fine with me. I do have issue with immigrants that EXPECT stuff like this from everywhere they go, that think that it's our damn job to make it easy for them to get by without knowing English. If you're planning on living somewhere, you oughta learn the language that's spoken there. That goes too for Americans that move to other countries, even if they can get by pretty well speaking English there. If they don't want to have to learn English, that's there issue. But they sure as hell shouldn't expect other people to go out of their way to have everything neatly translated for them or have people around to tell them what stuff means.
2003-03-03 09:12:56 PM  
What part do you not understand?
The conversation has been about cultural diversity versus the national language concept. My arguement in that statement was, the more the population watches televission, the more culturally unified it becomes. This is true even when the programming is dubbed, and especially true when it is subtitled.

The fact makes me quail at the quality of modern television programming.
2003-03-03 09:18:13 PM  
this statement is inane. Specious and without merit, even. In the past century, culture and cultural options available to the masses have diversified enormously. If you're sitting around watching Joe Millionaire, that's your own damn fault.

I'm not any too sure you would have been seeing white people in thai restaurants in hanover, new hampshire in 1950. I'm not any too sure an album like Buena Vista Social Club would have sold millions of copies in the 1950s. And we sure as fark didn't see any of those annoying white "rastafarians" in the 1950s.
2003-03-03 09:21:33 PM  
I see . . you don't want to understand what I'm saying.

That's fine. Keep your head firmly emplaced where it is, if you like.

Social change takes multiple generations. Television has just been around for, well, one.

Didn't I just say that I don't like the quality of recent programming? I don't watch trash like that.

Oh! That's right, you don't want to understand me.
2003-03-03 09:23:42 PM  
How many people, on this very site, sang the praises of Mister Fred Rogers?

How many of their grandparents spoke completely different languages?
2003-03-03 09:26:10 PM  
Television is our cultural blender.

So . . support and watch Public Broadcasting.
It's good for you.

Besides, running a pedestal camera for fund raising drives is fun. ("Take out my font!")
2003-03-03 09:26:24 PM  
2003-03-03 09:27:04 PM  
stop being a biatch, dude
you know as well as I do that despite superficial appearances, American culture is diverse and vibrant. People like the television = stupidity argument, but it just holds no water.

The word "emplaced" is inappropriate in the context you've given it. Maybe you've been watching too much CSPAN2

Furthermore, I don't know where you picked up the trendy notion that "social change takes multiple generations." Maybe you picked it up in one of those anthropological journals that wouldn't have been available to you 50 years ago.
2003-03-03 09:27:43 PM  
Qua qua?

How many people, on this very site, sang the praises of Mister Fred Rogers?

How many of their grandparents spoke completely different languages?
2003-03-03 09:31:39 PM  
Actually, I put the words together. By my very own self.

However, "this statement is inane. Specious and without merit" stinks of formula.

And, since you've started calling me names, you are an idiot and an asshole. Good bye.
2003-03-03 09:34:56 PM  
No...it doesn't stink of formula. It doesn't smell like anything. The "syntax" may have "stunk"; it was shorthand. The words I chose were accurate. I haven't called you names, but I do suspect that lack of a coherent rebuttal is what's bothering you more than any perceived slight.

Have a good night, dude.
2003-03-03 09:37:05 PM  
Oh wait! I just read your bio. You're a gansta wannabe.
Now I understand your thuggish behavior. You're one of those guys who learned in jail to attack the hardest looking guy and beat him, thus gaining respect of the other inmates. Now I understand you. There's no use arguing with you. You're just another troll.

For a minute . . you almost sounded intelligent.
A pretty good imitation, bro. Pretty good.
2003-03-03 09:38:10 PM  
You called me a biatch. That's name calling.

Look here, ladies and gentlemen, this is verbosity.
It looks like intelligence, at the onset. But, it is not.
2003-03-03 09:38:26 PM  
No, I'm a 20 year old junior at Dartmouth College. I'm a white male from Brooklyn, New York. I'll be sure to include your theories in my thesis notes.
2003-03-03 09:38:43 PM  
My great-grandparents came over from Poland and didn't speak English. Then they learned English, as that was the language of the country they moved to, therefore it made sense to speak it!
2003-03-03 09:40:42 PM  
You're a child, Shag. Grow up.
Try to understand other people, not just undermine them.
2003-03-03 09:41:35 PM  
I'm not sure why you're making unsubstantiated personal claims and attacks. We were discussing your contention that TV is ruining American culture.
2003-03-03 09:42:34 PM  
it would be inimical to my personal development to accept ridiculous theories
2003-03-03 09:43:15 PM  
This has not been a discussion.
2003-03-03 09:44:41 PM  
furthermore, I'm not "undermining" you. You may think I'm childish. If you're letting yourself be "weakened" or "impaired" by a child (cf. Merriam Webster), you're the one who needs to work things out.
2003-03-03 09:45:03 PM  
"it would be inimical to my personal development to accept ridiculous theories"


"You're full of sh*t, Nanook."

Once more kid, tone down the verbage.
Turn up the empathy. If you want a discussion, don't try to start one with an attack.
2003-03-03 09:45:20 PM  
that's because you gave up on it right away.
2003-03-03 09:45:50 PM  
Childish people are precisely the most dangerous.
2003-03-03 09:47:03 PM  
I didn't say you're full of shiat. I said your opinion in this regard was without merit.

Furthermore, "verbage" is taken to mean deliberate misspelling or mispronunciation of a word. "Verbiage" is the word you wanted.
2003-03-03 09:47:21 PM  
I tossed out a position. You asked for explaination.
Then you began to reduce.

You're trolling.

But, I'm to blame. I should know better than to feed a troll.
You just want attention, don't you?
2003-03-03 09:48:16 PM  
I apologize if you found anything I said insulting. The hostility of my tone notwithstanding, I believe that I'm entitled to have a strong opinion about the theory you offered.
2003-03-03 09:48:34 PM  
Well pardon the shiat out of me for misspelling a word.

It's all a power trip to you. How fragile your ego must be.
2003-03-03 09:49:39 PM  
if I wanted "attention," I'd streak the Hanover Green. I just want to understand why you think TV is so bad for cultural values and heterogeneity.
2003-03-03 09:50:14 PM  
I said no such thing.
2003-03-03 09:50:31 PM  
I'm just offering suggestions. I like clarity, and would welcome any of your suggestions.
2003-03-03 09:52:31 PM  
Fair. I extrapolated. However nice it is to post messages on this board, I've got to put some Maker's Mark. Forgive any misunderstanding.

We can take for granted, however, that cultural unity is too broad a term.
2003-03-03 09:53:08 PM  
I did note that the television is the resource of our common cultural identity. They I went on to bemoan the low quality of programming. I apologise if I was not clear. Having a BA in English, I'm usually quite lucid on the subject at hand.
2003-03-03 09:53:59 PM  
peace out, H. Rap Brown!
2003-03-03 09:54:05 PM  
Uh . . is there any way you could pipe some of that MM over here? I'm at work. And, Monday sucks. Especially Monday night.
2003-03-03 09:55:25 PM  
Uh . . is there any way you could pipe some of that MM over here? I'm at work. And, Monday sucks. Especially Monday night.

If you want to stop by the library, I'll be mainlining it there. Private workroom 406.
2003-03-03 09:55:40 PM  
Maybe we don't need cultural unity.
But, that would require each separate culture to find some unique way to adhere to the common national identity.
2003-03-03 09:56:34 PM  
Drinkin' in tha l'brary.

(Just don't get caught shaggin in the stacks, like I did.)
2003-03-03 10:01:37 PM  
And, I take all that personal crap I said about you back.
It it's the liquer talking, especially MM, you're welcome to spit on the mat and call the cat a bastard.

Be well, brother.
2003-03-03 10:05:18 PM  
We should be more accommodating to the 'grints, we need more hands to work in all of the new factories being built.
Everyone but whitey should get plenty for free shiat.
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