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(The Register)   ASCAP trying to claim ring-tones are public performance, you now owe Air Supply $100,000   (theregister.co.uk) divider line
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2009-07-03 10:54:55 AM  
Please, Congress, make the stupid stop. Ban the RIAA, MPAA, and ASCAP.
 
2009-07-03 11:56:37 AM  
Find one person- other than the phone owner- who is entertained by them, and I'll agree with ya.
 
2009-07-03 12:00:30 PM  
Assuming the ringtones are purchased, then there's already a license implied there, is there not? Aren't most ringtones 30 seconds are less, therefore 10% of a song and covered under fair use as well?

If there is an implied license from the purchase of a ringtone through legitimate means, then how is that any different than playing a radio at a loud level? Do I owe ASCAP every time I play an MP3 in my car and the people around me listen to it? Because I like to play hip hop really loud, because I want oyu all to know that I like listening to hip hop. Please. Pay attention to me.
 
2009-07-03 12:01:36 PM  

phaedrusiszen: Please, Congress, make the stupid stop. Ban the RIAA, MPAA, and ASCAP.


^^^^THIS
 
2009-07-03 12:02:02 PM  
Bullshiat! In reality, it's a commercial.
 
2009-07-03 12:13:24 PM  
Pfff, I wouldn't be caught dead with an Air Supply ringtone. My phone is full of nothing but Cutting Crew hits.

/hits, plural?
 
2009-07-03 12:55:59 PM  

yogaFLAME: /hits, plural?


GET OUT OF MY MIND!
 
2009-07-03 1:08:03 PM  
Vlad Tepes (Dracula, also known as Dracul, or Drac, or "D"*) is reported to have once gathered all of the homeless, the poor street people, beggars, and the like that lived near his castle, taken them into his dining room, fed them lavishly, asked them if they wished all their problems in life to be over, and then exited and had the room set ablaze with all inside.

This is reasonably similar to what I wish would happen to every ASCAP, MPAA, and RIAA executive and lawyer. These people make Bernie Madoff able to look himself in the mirror every day.

/*Izzard
 
2009-07-03 1:13:44 PM  
"Sometimes when we touch....."

/best ringtone ever.
 
2009-07-03 1:55:09 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Vlad Tepes (Dracula, also known as Dracul, or Drac, or "D"*) is reported to have once gathered all of the homeless, the poor street people, beggars, and the like that lived near his castle, taken them into his dining room, fed them lavishly, asked them if they wished all their problems in life to be over, and then exited and had the room set ablaze with all inside.

This is reasonably similar to what I wish would happen to every ASCAP, MPAA, and RIAA executive and lawyer. These people make Bernie Madoff able to look himself in the mirror every day.

/*Izzard


Dracul was the father of Vlad The Impaler.
 
2009-07-03 2:25:07 PM  
My ringtone is the old-style 1940's bell (BBBRRRING! BBBRRRING!). Since everyone and their mother has some awful MIDI clip or MP3 tune, my ring is unique and it's urgency lets me know I should check the damn phone.

That said, ASCAP is satanic force that should be wiped from the face of the Earth.
 
2009-07-03 2:29:10 PM  
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2009-07-03 2:45:40 PM  

yogaFLAME: My phone is full of nothing but Cutting Crew hits.


Owwww I, I just dialed up your phone tonight, it must been a call I missed, I should've texted yeah...
 
2009-07-03 2:58:08 PM  
Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring bananaphone
Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring bananaphone

I've got this feeling, so appealing
For us to get together and sing, sing !
 
2009-07-03 3:31:22 PM  
ACTUALLY, ringtones are free advertisements for your crappy songs
so YOU owe the phoneowner $100,000.
 
2009-07-03 3:34:49 PM  
Without public performance grade royalties for licensed ring tones which the consumer never gets to actually own, there would be no Beethoven, Bach, Mozart and so on

I am furious that the government is stalling on granting no-knock warrants for unpaid royalties when people play music with the window open. We are supposed to be civilized
 
2009-07-03 3:35:29 PM  

ASCAP trying to claim ring-tones are public performance, you now owe Air Supply $100,000


HA HA! The joke's on them: no one ever calls me!

*does victory dance*
 
2009-07-03 3:35:50 PM  
As a former music publisher, I am really getting a kick out of these replies.

My response to ASCAP on this:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA *gasp
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

This is a joke. Ringtones are one of the few areas of growth in the music business. Attaching performance royalties would only serve to kill the legitimate ringtone business and force people to go with bootleg versions where nobody gets paid.

The stupid here is strong.
 
2009-07-03 3:41:02 PM  

shanrick: Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring bananaphone
Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring bananaphone


strangely that is what i use for my ring tone
 
2009-07-03 3:41:07 PM  
It is time to revamp the copyright laws. Twenty one years after the initial publication or (for sale)recording. That's it, that should be enough.

And during that time period, you do not get to stop people using small excerpts of your work or parodies of your material.

If you sell your rights to a publishing or music company, that company has even more restricted rights than the original artist, not greater rights.
 
2009-07-03 3:41:10 PM  

Pesky_Humans: Ringtones are one of the few areas of growth in the music business.


wow that's sad
 
2009-07-03 3:41:52 PM  
ppffsstt.

This is the same "place"; over on that side of the pond I mean, that a mechanic got a "performing without a license" ticket for....

Playing his customers radio while he worked on their cars. Yup, it's true, read it right here on Fark. Sickening what people will do to try and ruin a perfectly good day.

Next thing is "If you iPod is loud enough for others to hear it, you must pay royalties." LOL
 
2009-07-03 3:41:58 PM  
unfortunately on the train i ride to work, they are* a public performance.

few thingy get me as stabby as listening to two 15 year old girls counting down so they can play 15 seconds of supremely crappy music in sync...over and over again
 
2009-07-03 3:42:32 PM  
They're All Out of Love and saying they are The One that You Owe.
 
2009-07-03 3:43:09 PM  
Dammit, should have been a composer. Producing sh*tty songs for all to upload to their cell phones. Then wait 10 years and sue the sh*t out of telcos.

Copyright is rich of lulz and other court friendly processes.
 
2009-07-03 3:44:40 PM  
Ahhhh.

The sound of vibrate.
 
2009-07-03 3:45:11 PM  

Impudent Domain: It is time to revamp the copyright laws. Twenty one years after the initial publication or (for sale)recording. That's it, that should be enough.

And during that time period, you do not get to stop people using small excerpts of your work or parodies of your material.

If you sell your rights to a publishing or music company, that company has even more restricted rights than the original artist, not greater rights.


I'd prefer the original 14. 20 is about the longest copyright term I'd take even remotely seriously.

I wouldn't start to worry even a little about damage to the arts and public domain due to lack of incentive to produce new content until we got it down under 5 years or so.
 
2009-07-03 3:47:36 PM  

Amusement: Dammit, should have been a composer. Producing sh*tty songs for all to upload to their cell phones. Then wait 10 years and sue the sh*t out of telcos.

Copyright is rich of lulz and other court friendly processes.


You don't have to sue anyone, the government is picking up that tab now. It's ridiculous, the copyright lobby is the single most influential industry affecting foreign policy.
 
2009-07-03 3:47:50 PM  

mrEdude: ACTUALLY, ringtones are free advertisements for your crappy songs
so YOU owe the phoneowner $100,000.


This. Oh, laws yes, this.
 
2009-07-03 3:50:04 PM  
I want to register my songs with ASCAP, then take a portable CD player into corporate entities and set it to play while having a friend covertly videotape the incident and I am out of frame.

Thus, I'll have performance evidence at Starbucks, WalMart, Home Depot, Target, McDonalds and 7-11, and get those ASCAP bastards to do their job or I'll sue them.

I believe this approach to be much easier than actually gigging live, and while it may not be as lucrative, maybe it'll get my name out there simply by being a malcontent to all those involved.

/I don't care if that's not how it works, there's obviously no logic or good taste or rules in the music business so I'm going to get my cut by making a deal with the devil or at least getting the hounds of hell to battle one another CHA-CHING!
 
2009-07-03 3:53:21 PM  
ASCAP is idiotic.
This is a perfect free-advertising-for-free-licensing swap that nobody should fark with.
 
2009-07-03 3:57:47 PM  
Looks like someone's been stealing content from the Onion. I hope. For the sake of my faith in humanity I'll assume they did.
 
2009-07-03 3:58:13 PM  
This makes me ashamed to be an ASCAP artist.
 
2009-07-03 3:58:25 PM  
For all of you that stood up for ASCAP in the last thread...

TTTHHHhhhhpppppppttttt!

//told ya so.
 
2009-07-03 3:59:25 PM  

downstairs: Find one person- other than the phone owner- who is entertained by them, and I'll agree with ya.


Farking THIS!!!

Like that 3 seconds of "Soulja Boy" I heard on the bus is preventing me from buying the CD.
 
2009-07-03 3:59:54 PM  
As a songwriter, who refuses to pay ASCAP a penny. I'm hoping they get reamed.
 
2009-07-03 4:00:39 PM  

Cold1s:

Like that 3 seconds of "Soulja Boy" I heard on the bus is preventing me from buying the CD.


Actually, it is. Isn't i?
 
2009-07-03 4:04:55 PM  
Simple solution, stop listening to music.
 
2009-07-03 4:05:18 PM  

El Chode: Assuming the ringtones are purchased, then there's already a license implied there, is there not?


THIS. And in addition, if I want to make my own ring tone from a song that I have legally purchased, I should be able to do that. Calling it a public performance is absurd. Would it be illegal for me to play my iPod boombox in public?
 
2009-07-03 4:05:31 PM  
Or make your own music...
 
2009-07-03 4:06:23 PM  
For about three seconds, I honestly thought ASCAP was new internet-speak for ASSHAT.

/Srsly
 
2009-07-03 4:06:48 PM  
Please God, let them win this one.

I am so sick of y'alls stupid farking ringtones.
 
2009-07-03 4:06:52 PM  

Cold1s: downstairs: Find one person- other than the phone owner- who is entertained by them, and I'll agree with ya.

Farking THIS!!!

Like that 3 seconds of "Soulja Boy" I heard on the bus is preventing me from buying the CD.


Well it IS preventing me from buying his crappy CD, sort of like a heads up not to spend anything on it.
 
2009-07-03 4:07:33 PM  
As long as we are talking ring tones, mine is the music from Mega Man 2 when you select a level (and the boss does a little dance).

Also, I wish there was a boobies like filter for people like calbert that complain about repeats. We don't all live our lives on fark.
 
2009-07-03 4:09:47 PM  

ballchain: phaedrusiszen: Please, Congress, make the stupid stop. Ban the RIAA, MPAA, and ASCAP.

^^^^THIS


Please concerned citizens .. Vote all congressman out of office and make stupid stop.
 
2009-07-03 4:11:36 PM  

vudukungfu: As a songwriter, who refuses to pay ASCAP a penny. I'm hoping they get reamed.


I'll bet they'd still try to go after someone who downloaded your songs.
 
2009-07-03 4:11:58 PM  
downstairs : Find one person- other than the phone owner- who is entertained by them, and I'll agree with ya.

I use ringtones to let me know who is calling without looking at my phone.

/my ringtones are mostly lounge music anyway, tricky, lovage, etc.

/didn't pay a cent for them, ripped them straight from the CDs, chopped to 30 seconds.
 
2009-07-03 4:12:38 PM  
Interesting that it's just ASCAP, BMI isn't getting in on it.
 
2009-07-03 4:13:21 PM  

Epsilon: El Chode: Assuming the ringtones are purchased, then there's already a license implied there, is there not?

THIS. And in addition, if I want to make my own ring tone from a song that I have legally purchased, I should be able to do that. Calling it a public performance is absurd. Would it be illegal for me to play my iPod boombox in public?


1. Not under the current law, you actually never take ownership of any music even (default restrictive copyright)
2. Absurd or not, judges are enforcing such claims
3. Yes, it would be illegal

Aren't you embarrassed that the Justice Department has hired almost exclusively from the RIAA? That your country is sponsoring libellous comments against your allies because their governments don't pay the tab for 10mn annual frivolous lawsuits?
Link (new window)

google 'WIPO', it's a copyright treaty under negotiation where the copyright lobby gets to write the damned thing but citizens are forbidden to even know what is in it

You can glean some of what's going into WIPO from leaks (eg wikileaks.org) or the EFF (eff.org)
 
2009-07-03 4:14:21 PM  
ASCAP... more like ASSHAT
 
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