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(London Times)   Britain introduces new "anti-stab" knives. What a pointless idea   ( timesonline.co.uk) divider line
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2009-06-15 06:56:02 AM  
Subby's wit is sharp today

/+1
 
2009-06-15 07:20:26 AM  
So you can't use these to sharpen your shiv either, right? Sounds like a marvelous idea that will dramatically reduce the amount of stabbings.
 
2009-06-15 07:54:50 AM  
If your partner replaces your existing kitchen knifes with these, it might be time to talk about your relationship.
 
2009-06-15 08:05:04 AM  
If you outlaw guns, knives and pointy sticks, people will hit each other with rocks. It's not about the weapon.
 
2009-06-15 08:27:01 AM  
/but it's still really good for slashing
 
2009-06-15 08:41:48 AM  
I have a kitchen knife that is kind of like that. It has a rounded point, which is REALLY REALLY annoying when you want to ... stab stuff, like plastic bags, fruit, etc.


Remember, a sharp knife is a safe knife.
 
2009-06-15 08:48:32 AM  
The stupid is partially mitigated by the fact that the commercial product, the Taylors Eye Witness 'Classmate' Home Economics Knife, is intended for use in schools, not as a cure-all for street stabbings.

It could well be argued, though, that there are bigger problems than the shape of the knives if you have to stop the little darlings stabbing each other in Home Ec. class.

hazeleyedwolff: If you outlaw guns, knives and pointy sticks, people will hit each other with rocks. It's not about the weapon.


It is about the weapon, in terms of culture, lethality, accessibility, and portability. One of the difficulties, though, is that the 'best' weapon for street crime can be acquired anywhere and carried almost undetectably.
 
2009-06-15 08:49:49 AM  
And by Britain, submitter means one man in Swindon.
 
2009-06-15 08:50:51 AM  
Any tool is a weapon if you hold it right.
 
2009-06-15 08:51:40 AM  
Not a new idea.

If you notice, most table flatware knives have rounded tips. Yes, it is for the same reason (so you don't stab your meal mates for bad manners).
 
2009-06-15 08:51:42 AM  
Ok, my list for places to commit crime has another name to it. Thank you anti-protection services, makes my job a hellva lot easier, and safer.
 
2009-06-15 08:52:29 AM  

haysoos: Any tool is a weapon if you hold it right.


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2009-06-15 08:53:07 AM  
The anti-stab knife in question?
upload3r.comView Full Size
 
2009-06-15 08:53:25 AM  
Yeah, it's not like a murderer can slash horizontally with a knife or anything...
 
2009-06-15 08:54:12 AM  
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This guy disagrees
 
2009-06-15 08:55:15 AM  

FarkinNortherner: The stupid is partially mitigated by the fact that the commercial product, the Taylors Eye Witness 'Classmate' Home Economics Knife, is intended for use in schools, not as a cure-all for street stabbings.


Ah, that's why it costs so much, then. I wondered why it cost around 10x what a normal knife costs... question answered.
 
2009-06-15 08:55:15 AM  

Thakh: haysoos: Any tool is a weapon if you hold it right.

[pic of rubber chicken]


Use it as a garrote.

And I'll bet that if I REALLY wanted to, I could kill somebody with one of those knives. Say, by slicing important blood vessels and causing exsanguination. Who needs a point?

I do wonder why people are seemingly incapable at looking at the CAUSES of crime, rather than the tools thereof.
 
2009-06-15 08:55:42 AM  

Thakh: haysoos: Any tool is a weapon if you hold it right.


You see a rubber chicken, I see a festive garrote.
 
2009-06-15 08:55:44 AM  
One again, England is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
/slashies.
 
9mm
2009-06-15 08:56:01 AM  
You can still sharpen the handle and stab someone with that!
 
2009-06-15 08:56:17 AM  
This thread is making me feel all staby.
 
2009-06-15 08:56:27 AM  
i think i will go on a killing spree in England with a couple of boxes of sharpened #2 pencils. and then take bets on how long before those get banned.
 
2009-06-15 08:56:29 AM  
Umm... Steal pipe?
 
2009-06-15 08:56:45 AM  
He said: "It can never be a totally safe knife, but the idea is you can't inflict a fatal wound. Nobody could just grab one out of the kitchen drawer and kill someone."

Is that a challenge?!
 
2009-06-15 08:57:26 AM  

MorseCodeNowInHiDef: Umm... Steal pipe?


How else are you going to get one? It ain't like they're free, you know.

/I know, I read the comments too.
 
2009-06-15 08:58:32 AM  

Thakh: haysoos: Any tool is a weapon if you hold it right.


Hold it with both hands, then come up behind your victim and hold it over their mouth so that they can't breathe
 
2009-06-15 08:59:06 AM  
A deep slash wound is worse than deep stab which is worse than most hand gun bullet wounds. Is this another case of knee jerk reaction?
 
2009-06-15 08:59:12 AM  

Another Government Employee: Not a new idea.

If you notice, most table flatware knives have rounded tips. Yes, it is for the same reason (so you don't stab your meal mates for bad manners).


The reason why most flatware knives don't have a point is because they are dual purpose: To cut soft foods, and to spread things like butter. This is also why they are generally not sharpened. It's not to protect you from being stabbed by a tablemate, it's to keep you from injuring yourself.
 
2009-06-15 08:59:43 AM  
I disagree with TFA. You can still stab someone with it...it'll just hurt a helluva lot more and do a lot more damage on the way in.

The question is, does it slice, dice and julienne?
 
2009-06-15 09:01:04 AM  
I see subby's played knifey-spooney before.
 
2009-06-15 09:01:05 AM  
Guerney Hallack approves. A real man kills with the blade not the tip.
 
2009-06-15 09:01:28 AM  
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2009-06-15 09:01:41 AM  
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2009-06-15 09:02:00 AM  
Really, guys? Really? Doctors think knives should be banned? How am I going to split a butternut squash with that thing?

The day someone asks me to turn in this piece of art:
kershawknives.comView Full Size

/hotlinked

For this piece of cheap-handled crap:
[image from timesonline.co.uk too old to be available]
/hotlinked

is... well I guess it's the day I prove them right about how stabby a good knife is.
 
2009-06-15 09:02:10 AM  
Imagine the damage one of those things will do when stabbed.. the blunt edge will surely cause more pain then a regular knife.

Those knives are horrible ideas.
 
2009-06-15 09:02:15 AM  
I seem to recall that all of the steak knives at the restaurants I go to having round tips.
 
2009-06-15 09:02:54 AM  
Flying Pig:

*golf clap*
 
2009-06-15 09:03:02 AM  

untaken_name: Ah, that's why it costs so much, then. I wondered why it cost around 10x what a normal knife costs... question answered.


Probably more like 4x, given that Taylor's is a high quality Sheffield based maker, but you can't knock school supplier status from a manufacturer's POV. Huge mark-ups, and the customer complains if you ever do any product development.
 
2009-06-15 09:03:12 AM  
Disapproves!
i-merchandiser.co.ukView Full Size

/hot like a hot knife through butter
 
2009-06-15 09:03:43 AM  
If stabby knives are outlawed only outlaws will get stabby.
 
2009-06-15 09:04:15 AM  

PerfectStorm: I disagree with TFA. You can still stab someone with it...it'll just hurt a helluva lot more and do a lot more damage on the way in.

The question is, does it slice, dice and julienne?


I dunno, but I bet you could slice and dice Julian.
 
2009-06-15 09:05:26 AM  

hazeleyedwolff: If you outlaw guns, knives and pointy sticks, people will hit each other with rocks. It's not about the weapon.


In a few years all food sold in the UK will need to be pre-cut, and in sizes too small to possibly choke on.
 
2009-06-15 09:05:57 AM  

FarkinNortherner:
hazeleyedwolff: If you outlaw guns, knives and pointy sticks, people will hit each other with rocks. It's not about the weapon.

It is about the weapon, in terms of culture, lethality, accessibility, and portability. One of the difficulties, though, is that the 'best' weapon for street crime can be acquired anywhere and carried almost undetectably.


Crime has nothing to do with weapons but with underlying social problems like poverty and mental health issues.
 
2009-06-15 09:07:35 AM  
Soon, if the Brits think about it, they may take one step closer to the realization that it might not be the tool that is really responsible for killing people. When they figure it out, the Americans, who always seem to be a bit behind Europe in these liberal matters will also come to the conclusion.

It's simple, ______________ don't kill people, it's people with _________ and _________ and _________ etc, that kill people.
Pick your tool, it can kill people.
 
2009-06-15 09:08:14 AM  
So, after this they will go with anti-bite teeth?
But wait, this is the UK we are speaking of.....
 
2009-06-15 09:08:18 AM  
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Sailors have never needed a point to fark someone up!
 
2009-06-15 09:10:10 AM  

PJ_the_Barbarian: The day someone asks me to turn in this piece of art


Plastic handled mass produced knife with a fake Damascus steel blade = art ?
 
2009-06-15 09:10:37 AM  

FightDirector: Thakh: haysoos: Any tool is a weapon if you hold it right.

[pic of rubber chicken]


Use it as a garrote.

And I'll bet that if I REALLY wanted to, I could kill somebody with one of those knives. Say, by slicing important blood vessels and causing exsanguination. Who needs a point?

I do wonder why people are seemingly incapable at looking at the CAUSES of crime, rather than the tools thereof.


Causes are HARD stupid knee jerk politics that insults the intelligence of a rock, is easy and gets the headlines in the Sun before everyone has forgotten all about this latest "folk devil"
 
2009-06-15 09:11:14 AM  

pureobscure: hazeleyedwolff: If you outlaw guns, knives and pointy sticks, people will hit each other with rocks. It's not about the weapon.

In a few years all food sold in the UK will need to be pre-cut, and in sizes too small to possibly choke on.


And eventually they will be required to use chopsticks. Blunt, sponge-tipped chopsticks.

Even then, some asshole American will tie them up and shove chips up their nose while eating their tropical fish.
 
2009-06-15 09:11:50 AM  

FightDirector: I do wonder why people are seemingly incapable at looking at the CAUSES of crime, rather than the tools thereof.


Because any time you look at the causes of crime, it becomes a political circle-jerk, with the perpetrators and their enablers seeking to deflect the blame onto the indirect causes, in an effort to mitigate the perpetrator's personal responsibility in the crime.
 
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