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(Wired)   Since RIAA shut down Napster, alternatives have supplied more copyrighted music than Napster ever did   ( wired.com) divider line
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3257 clicks; posted to Main » on 07 Sep 2001 at 10:41 AM (16 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2001-09-07 10:54:57 AM  
2001-09-07 10:55:35 AM  
2001-09-07 10:58:00 AM  
Fast Track? Never heard of it. Any good?
2001-09-07 10:58:16 AM  
I am listening to TOOLS new album right now...

I had it fully downloaded in HIGH quality by 8am the day it was released.

And, Morpheus has yet to fall short in finding me any song I wanted.

But, it's okay because I am a musician.
2001-09-07 10:59:10 AM  
clicked on the link, it's morpheus
2001-09-07 11:01:26 AM  
Hey, is there any reason to have both Morpheus and Kazaa on my computer? I downloaded them both, but they both looked the same. So I kept Morpheus, because I hated that kazaa startup picture.
I still prefere audio galaxy for audio though.
2001-09-07 11:03:08 AM  
All I gotta say is Audiogalaxy.com rocks my world!!!
2001-09-07 11:05:17 AM  
Damn straight, I've found Morpheus to be awesome too.

I seem to recall the RIAA being informed that there would always be file sharing services -- shut down one and there will always be another (or more) to take its place. Of course, they didn't listen, wasted taxpayer dollars, and were proved to be idiots.

Poor Napster...
2001-09-07 11:07:24 AM  
That's because Audiogalaxy is far better than Napster ever was.
2001-09-07 11:09:37 AM  
The more you tighten your grip TarkinRIAA...the more
star systemsmusic will slip through your fingers
2001-09-07 11:13:06 AM  
They forgot WinMx, I'll have to download Fasttrack and Audiogalaxy to try them.
2001-09-07 11:15:01 AM  
For the recording and motion picture industries, the peer-to-peer problem is about to go from bad to worse

The understatement of the moment.
2001-09-07 11:27:53 AM  
I dumped Kazaa. It never asked if it could, but it installed a load of spyware crap on my machine. When I removed the spyware Kazaa stopped working. Into the dumpster it went.

Go to gift.sourceforge.net, its an Open Source client for fast track, its pretty sweet but I think it only runs on linux. No spyware crap though.

2001-09-07 11:34:29 AM  
WinMX rules.
2001-09-07 11:35:13 AM  
WinMx is back up?

I was using it durning the beta test and then they just shut it down. Wasn't bad and it bypassed the firewall at my old job that blocked Napster. I've been finding more on Morpheus than I ever did on Mx.
2001-09-07 11:48:51 AM  
So now they're saying that the ENTIRE 3.05 billion files were all copyrighted? Is THAT what it's saying?

How can they say that for sure? Sounds biased.
2001-09-07 11:51:35 AM  
I like WinMx over most of the others, but I haven't tried Morpheus yet.
2001-09-07 12:01:04 PM  
Dahaka: "The more you tighten your grip Tarkin RIAA...the more star systems music will slip through your fingers"

Jodibug0975: "duh"

Couldn't say it better myself!
2001-09-07 12:05:27 PM  
The only way they will beat this is by shutting down the internet entirely and, subsequently, all phone lines.
2001-09-07 12:33:57 PM  
nice star wars dahaka.. hahaha stupid Grand Moff RIAA... smarter than you the people are... ree hehehehehehe!!
2001-09-07 12:35:37 PM  
Aww man, there was supposed to be a little <yoda></yoda> thing in there... oh well
2001-09-07 12:35:53 PM  
Well...no shiat.
2001-09-07 12:37:48 PM  
Godamnit Drew!!!
The stinkin' filter COMPLETELY farked that last post up!!

We can look at boobies on Fark, but we can't say shi*t*

-I bet the filter kills that, too-
2001-09-07 12:38:44 PM  
Personally, if the record companies started their own pay service that let you pay a small price (<$1.00) for the songs you wanted I would gladly pay. I still buy CD's of the bands I am a fan of but what I hate is when some unknown band has one hit song and they make you buy either the single cd for $6.00+ or the album itself for $15.99 and evey other song is shiate. I think the record companies know if they allowed people to download and pay for the songs they liked, they (the companies) would lose money bigtime because people would not pay for the crap songs.
2001-09-07 12:48:08 PM  
Just don't buy their products and they will go away. Simply stop buying CD's from signed acts for the next 10 years and the riaa will be gone.

But don't forget to support your local unsigned musicians. Go to their shows, go to the bars, tip them, buy their discs.
2001-09-07 01:27:33 PM  
if programs like these help the record compamies to see that 19.99 is WAY OUTTA LINE for a farking CD... then good.

CD are cheaper to produce than cassette tapes, yet we pay over 3x as much.......


download and teach these bastards a lesson.
2001-09-07 01:27:44 PM  
right on fb, right on.
2001-09-07 01:39:13 PM  
Kazaa was especially evil because the old version didn't have spyware. Then, when a new version came out, the program would harass you to upgrade. The upgrade had 5 pieces of spyware.

Direct Connect is cool, it's more IRC-like and there's a lot of organized and searchable stuff to be found.
2001-09-07 01:39:45 PM  
The only thing I can figure is that the RIAA was going for the moral victory. That is, getting the courts to say that what Napster was doing was illegal.
It's obvious to anyone who knows anything about the internet that it's impossible to prevent it.

Apparently Fast-Track (kazaa and morpheus) can operate without a central server. It relies more on "super-nodes", e.g. someone with a fast computer and fast connection leaving their computer connected all the time.

The upshot is even if the main Kazaa server is shut down, the service will keep going anyway.
2001-09-07 02:43:31 PM  
I hate these articles about MP3s on Fark. All people comment about is how great their WinMX or Morpheus or whatever are.
2001-09-07 03:28:24 PM  
I hate SoylentGreen because he biatches about things he hates
2001-09-07 03:29:04 PM  
Those idiots in the RIAA should have dealt with Napster when they had the chance to get some money out of it. Now they're screwed. MPAA, your next.
2001-09-07 03:29:16 PM  
Direct Connect is nice, but it isn't the best place for music.

SoylentGreen: Then why do you read these?
2001-09-07 03:29:50 PM  

My collection of 4000+ albums ; )
2001-09-07 03:42:55 PM  
I tried WinMX and it sucked balls. I'm going to try Morpheus next.... nobody ever really has anything negative to say about Morpheus.
2001-09-07 04:31:36 PM  
Morpheus is very good - and it would be even better if it told you what speed connection the person you're downloading from has. When you've got a 56k modem, it takes forever to download from another 56k.

But then that's what you get when you live in a backwoods hicksville like I do.
2001-09-07 05:07:34 PM  
Morpheus has been pretty good, and the gnutella clones are getting better too. The CEO's of BMG are a bag of a$$holes to think anyone will pay to download MP3's. Wanna stop pirating? Make it economically unfeasable- if CD's were apropriately priced, more people would buy them instead of spending the time downloading, sorting, ect. Heck, releasing lower-bitrate MP3's for free is great advertising for albums; I have bought music from artists I normally would have never heard because I found some tracks I liked. The market is changing, and the ones in power will fight it to their last breath because they haven't figured out a way to exploit the new model.
2001-09-07 05:28:07 PM  

Dear RIAA,



2001-09-07 06:37:50 PM  
I am now completely convinced RIAA is stupid. According to this report 3 billion files a month are being transferred. Why don't they just quit fighting it and join in on it. Here is my Idea.
Let any file sharing service do so at a rate of ten cents a song. The download would allow the user the rights to that song for his personal use. He could share to others and burn it to a CD to listen to in his car but could not make copies and sell it or do anything with it for financial gain. That would get RIAA 300 million dollars a month at the current rate of transfers or 3.6 billion a year in revenue without them having to do anything other than deposit the checks and distribute the money. People would pay it and they would make a killing.
The alliterative is to fight them all. Well lets say they do and win and get all the services shut down. Do you think there is any chance they would sell enough additional CD's to make the 3.6 billion dollars a year more pure effort free profit?
As far as I am concerned they are fighting something that could be making them tons of effort free money if they would just embrace it!
2001-09-07 06:46:10 PM  
I just noticed that I am listening to mp3s from bearshare while I read this thread.

I think the Internet should all laugh collectively and see if British seismologists can detect anything.
2001-09-07 07:51:15 PM  
Kinda reminds me of "Renegades of Funk" by Afrika Bambatakaa

"No matter how hard you try, you can't stop us now,"
2001-09-07 09:41:47 PM  
Reminds me of old Chinese proverb:
"Which is stronger - the immovable object, or the unstoppable force?"
2001-09-07 10:32:35 PM  
Yeah pay services are now pretty much out the window. The RIAA may have had a chance to install some kind of 10-cent service at one time with napster, but now that p2p has clearly taken off, there is no stopping it. Only way they will be able to get any kind of pay service going is if it has features that are better than the current p2p programs (guaranteed full versions of songs or albums, immediate, high bandwith downloads, etc.), and has a reasonable price. The RIAA is trying to release a few services later this year, but my guess is that they will be (1) bug-ridden and slow, and (2) unreasonably costly (2-5 bucks a song). Oh well fcuk the RIAA anyway -- they had way more than one chance to be the good guy and completely blew it.
2001-09-07 11:58:32 PM  
Morph does tell the bathwidth of the person your downloading from. Its in "bathwidth" column. Bigger the number, faster the connection. Try and download the song that a lot of people have to get a multiconnection going. I got 200k a second download once.
2001-11-29 11:14:20 AM  
MORPHEUS IS THE SHIZZNIT, nuff said. Dont use its ugly twin, Kazaaa, because it has SPYWARE in it. Same as bearshare.
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