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(Omaha World Herald)   Educators in Pennsylvania want to grade parents   ( omaha.com) divider line
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2003-02-10 08:06:59 PM  
this makes me laugh uncontrollably
2003-02-10 08:08:02 PM  
But who will grade the grader?
2003-02-10 08:08:43 PM  
OJ: C-
2003-02-10 08:08:45 PM  
This makes no difference to anyone in the world since a report card will never change a parent.

That is all.
2003-02-10 08:08:47 PM  
Asinine? Hardly.
2003-02-10 08:08:52 PM  
asinine! hell no, anybody who EVER has had to deal with parents applauds this.
now, i'm going to go read the article.
2003-02-10 08:09:40 PM  
2003-02-10 08:09:46 PM  
In Virginia, Michael Jackson would get an A.
2003-02-10 08:10:25 PM  
Seems like Pennsylvania day on fark. Alcohol, porn, and now parents grading teachers what a day.
2003-02-10 08:10:33 PM  
So what happens when the parents do badly? No vacation to Six Flags for them?
2003-02-10 08:12:08 PM  
Great! Another reason for DSS to kidnap help kids.
2003-02-10 08:12:26 PM  
This is going on your permanent record young lady!
2003-02-10 08:12:30 PM  
Omaha World Herald comes out of nowhere with two articles.

2003-02-10 08:12:31 PM  
My parent is an honor student at........... oh nevermind
2003-02-10 08:12:34 PM  
Vargas said he cares deeply about his 4-year-old son and has no problem with the proposal, believed to be one of the first of its kind.

Jeesus H Christ.
2003-02-10 08:12:50 PM  
Dammit....my HTML skillz suxors.

kidnap help kids.
2003-02-10 08:13:08 PM  
I actually read the article so I could intelligently question the person who submitted this as ASININE.

Ask a teacher what the problem with kids these days is. Answer = The parents.
2003-02-10 08:14:03 PM  
What the hell. Can they get any more pompous. So the reason the kids aren't learning in school is because the parents suck? Where does the role of the teacher come into play? Will there be any system of accountabilty for these same teachers?
2003-02-10 08:14:49 PM  
Let's grade the government and the entire population in Pennslyvania, I live here and most of them are the biggest asshats this side of the Mason-Dixon line
2003-02-10 08:15:17 PM  
I'm not sure this is really going to work. Bad parents are going to be bad parents, is grading them going to change anything?

But they have hit on the root of the problem.

2003-02-10 08:17:16 PM  
My daddy can out-nurture your daddy. :P
2003-02-10 08:17:19 PM  
Absotively not asinine.

Parents have got to be in the "top five things wrong with public education" list that I made up just now.

No, really, any educator with their salt will agree that an involved parent (ideally 2 involved parents) can make a world of difference.
2003-02-10 08:17:43 PM  
Based on the criteria listed in the article, this is hardly asinine. Just as long as they don't go any farther, is all.
2003-02-10 08:18:06 PM  
It'll probably be inflated anyways. You know, to please the parents.
2003-02-10 08:18:11 PM  
"Time is definitely short for some people," said Heist, whose three children attend Lebanon schools. "I think some parents will take it as a rude gesture that they're not doing a good job."

So it's okay for parents to judge teachers, but not okay for teachers to judge parents? Why?
2003-02-10 08:18:50 PM  
Actually I think it would be a good wake up call... Most parents in this or any other state would fail miserably... Personally I think if the parent gets a bad grade then they should be summarily executed on public television. Most parents don't give a rats ass about their children's lives and use school and tv's as a baby sitters. They have no interest until they get a call from school, they they biatch and kvetch that they had to take the day off from work... Again, summarily kill the parents that fail... As cliche as it sounds, our children are our greatest resource and need to be properly educated in a non PC educational system. As long as parents don't care, our education system will spiral down the drain into the septic system of the current PC system...Less correct information in their books, idiotic school boards that trample over individual rights, teachers that think saying, "Gun's are cool" warrants suspension or outright arrest... Dumbing down instructionals to make the stupid kids feel smart and get passing grades while at the same time making the truly intelligent kids bored and uninspired causing them to develope bad habits because they just don't give a damn...Parents don't notice it, educators don't care...arrg....
2003-02-10 08:19:35 PM  
Its not that once the kids start school the parents are absolved of any/all responsability towards their kids education.

Grading in and of itself isnt going to solve anything, but as was mentioned earlier just some more fuel for a DSS fire.
2003-02-10 08:20:41 PM  
so, marxist/socialist teachers are going to attempt to shift their incompetence by attempting to socially engineer the parents.

next step, foster parenting by the state?
2003-02-10 08:21:36 PM  

"If you take care of your kids, it'll show in the report,"

/Chris Rock
2003-02-10 08:22:07 PM  
Homeschoolers give themselves an automatic A+
2003-02-10 08:22:11 PM  
I can't believe this was labled asinine. Anyone in education who has ever had to deal with parents know that the parents are the problem. A kid, who's a fark up goes home and tells their parents "the teacher hates me, that why I get F's" is believed by the parents that the teacher actually hates them. Teachers don't hate kids until they've exhausted all of their options and patience with a student who still refuses to make any effort in the classroom. Even then they still don't HATE a student (but can be really irritated by them). Parents who belive that they don't have a part to play in their children's education are the real problem. Teach your kids that school is important and school districts won't have to start giving out parental report cards.

farkin assholes
2003-02-10 08:23:11 PM  
It's a significantly bad idea, but its heart is in the right place. I'd be happy if teachers could grade asshat parents.

Ask any teacher about parent/teacher conferences, you're liable to hear stories involving "Billy should get an 'A', he's an 'A' student, and he said your tests are too hard." Umm, no. Billy earned his 'D'. Plenty of folks think of school as daycare, and forget that their kids have to do something while they're there.

"If Billy flunks math, he can't play basketball! THEN you'll be sorry!"
2003-02-10 08:24:31 PM  

Maybe parents should unionize.
2003-02-10 08:25:10 PM  
I fail to see why this is asinine.
2003-02-10 08:25:59 PM  
ScienceBoy: Teachers are just as bad..The ones that came in caring, go out apathetic. The rest conform to the system and continue to dumb down the kids and farm them to the next grade... When I was in school, we were actually taught...Now...Pathetic... I work with so many school districts, and between the Polictics, the Political Correctness, and the apathy, there isn't anything left for the youth of today....
2003-02-10 08:28:17 PM  
Re: Glibtung

yeah, unionize! fight the power. teachers = power, ok maybe not.
2003-02-10 08:28:51 PM  
Does anyone find it odd that some US cities have the names of middle-eastern countries? Palestine TX? Lebanon PA? What's next, Jordan NJ? Syria NC? Iraq SD?
2003-02-10 08:31:30 PM  
It came across to parents as being very demeaning and very insulting.

Yeah, I'll bet it is...if they're not doing their jobs. Next thing ya know, they'll be saying that grades are demeaning to students...oh, wait, some people already say that.
2003-02-10 08:31:31 PM  
And why oh why cant I end a simple sentence with a period? What's wrong with me? Is it possible for me to end a sentence that's not a question without a question-mark? Probably not?
2003-02-10 08:31:59 PM  
So it's okay for parents to judge teachers, but not okay for teachers to judge parents? Why?

You think teachers don't judge parents with or without a grading system? I beg to differ.

What exactly does this accomplish anyway? Its another way of passing the blame for poor student accomplishments onto someone elses plate rather than taking the bull by the horns so-to-speak. Do you really thing apathetic parents will change their ways because of this?
2003-02-10 08:35:59 PM  
Listen Dickheads... there is nothing.. repeat NOTHING asinine about this. Anyone who this differently has never had to sit as a teacher and watch some amazing, wonderful kid struggle with being saddled with a pair of utter asswipes as parents. Now it is true (and it gets much airplay) that there are wonderful parents who suffer because of their shiatty offspring. But here is a rare acknowledgement of something I saw so often -- that there are wonderful human beings out there who are doing fine work in spite of being controlled by utter shiat-for-brain parents.
But of course this is the USA... the land of "Jesus Christ... don't expect ME to be responsible!!!" So I imagine that the shiat parents are pretty narked about the idea of their crap performance being laid bare to public view
2003-02-10 08:36:51 PM  
I worked with adolescents with drug and alcohol addictions and in the preponderance of situations the kids parents couldn't give a shiat about the kid. Just make sure their problems don't affect or embarass them and they were happy. Parents really need a wake up call in most cases where kids are in trouble.
2003-02-10 08:37:19 PM  
I personally applaud this

It might not change the actions of the parents... but perhaps if you posted the grades on the web..

It would be an interesting study to see how strong the correlation is between parent's grades and their kids' grades..
2003-02-10 08:37:28 PM  
This particular program doesn't strike me as terribly useful, but I'll get behind damn near anything to push parents to take a larger role in the education of their children.

Parents take a cavalier attitude toward their responsibilities when they're younger, abuse drugs and alcohol, etc., but by the time they start to wise up, no amount of effort later in life can rectify the chances lost in those formative years.

Need proof? I give you three.

Jenna Bush.
Barbara Bush.
Noelle Bush.

2003-02-10 08:41:02 PM  
well, i'm glad that many of your farkers in here agree that this shouldn't have an "asinine" tag. it should be a "cool" tag.
2003-02-10 08:42:29 PM  
It isn't going to work! Why? You can't force personal responsibility. Child support comes to mind... The good intention is nice, but if parents haven't been responsible to this point what is going to make them now?

Personally, I am involved with all of my kids' education, but I would be insulted by a letter from the principle or even higher up that states I deserve a pat on the head. Come on folks! This is the real world, why should everyone get wiped on the nose and the backside just to do what is right.
2003-02-10 08:43:06 PM  
OK. Everybody who has a teacher in the family, raise your hand. Everybody else, place both hands over your mouth.

*raises both hands, one for his father and one for his father's brother*

Those of you who are parents and currently have both hands lowered, if you regularly attend PTA meetings you may now raise a hand.

Those of you who regularly attend AA meetings may leave the room altogether.

Anybody who currently still has both hands over his or her mouth--leave em there. Anybody with a hand free now may speak, or type as the case may be.

Ok. Now that we've sorted out who knows what the hell they are talking about and who does not, I agree with this proposal. Most parents are asshats who think that it is the teacher's job to do everything. Buzz, wrong. A teacher sees the student from about 8 AM to 3 PM, that's less than a third of the day, budgeting that missing hour for travel to and from school. The other two thirds, it's the parent. So, who has more to do with how the kid turns out? (then there's the parents who think that the teacher's day begins and ends with whatever time their precious baby's shoes deign to cross the threshold of the classroom door.)Asshat parents are one of the reasons why I refuse to go into the field that, as mentioned, both my father and my father's brother have been in for decades. Asshat administrators and asshat legislators are the other two biggies.
2003-02-10 08:51:32 PM  
This stupidity will not make a difference on dumb arse parents. What drives me crazy is the effort wasted here. Why are they wasting their time with this system. Do they grade their own teachers? Do they have a system to remove bad teachers from the schools? As a parent I have had to watch in horror the assembly line of incompetent teachers my child has had to endure. Where are their report cards. I don't think you need to have a kid to see this problem. How many people on this board have had to deal with idiot teachers while in school? Once they remove incompetent teachers from the schools, they can come around and grade me.
2003-02-10 08:51:33 PM  
Teachers are just as bad..The ones that came in caring, go out apathetic. The rest conform to the system and continue to dumb down the kids and farm them to the next grade...

That is the fault of spineless administrators who don't want to see a crapload of students who drop out. Especially now. "No child left behind" and all that crap. And parents who threw a hissy fit when their kid wasn't automatically kicked up a grade--having to be with the kids a year younger than he while his friends tootle off to high school is damaging to his self esteem, didncha know?

I also don't know a place in the country where teachers are not complaining about being underpaid and about being shorted for supplies, textbooks, etc. Oh, and are the kids being little hellions? Then you be farked. Because you can't do diddly to discipline them anymore, I'm not even sure if you can send them to detention!

So, let's see. Ordered by administration to pass the buck. Shafted for supplies. Pissed on by idiot parents. Abused by the kids themselves(everybody, raise your hands if at sometime in your childhood you indulged in fantasies involving misfortune befalling a teacher. Those with your hands still down-I call B.S.)
How long do you think you could survive?
2003-02-10 08:53:46 PM  
Sounds like one of the best ideas I've ever heard. Of course, conservatives will decry it. Blaming teachers is a basic in the playbook of slimeball conservative politics.
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