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2009-04-23 8:48:31 PM  
Don't tell me what to do!
 
2009-04-23 9:05:09 PM  
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2009-04-23 9:13:29 PM  
It wasn't. Shockingly, America landed on the moon too. I know, big surprise.
 
2009-04-23 9:21:24 PM  
So what if they did?
 
2009-04-23 9:53:45 PM  
Like anyone has been in space. Next you'll tell me they have heavier than air flying machines.
 
2009-04-23 10:02:22 PM  

eddyatwork: Like anyone has been in space. Next you'll tell me they have heavier than air flying machines.


Not to mention all the work they need to do to continually hide the horses pulling those carriages every time I step out of the cabin...
 
2009-04-23 10:10:03 PM  
I am curious about the Earth thing. Everything else seems pretty easy to explain, but the earth not moving thing does seem weird.
 
zz9
2009-04-23 10:19:19 PM  
Okay, some of that does look fishy (Ha ha! Underwater? Fishy? Get it?) but the flag waving looked real. No way would a flag flap like that if it was underwater.
 
2009-04-23 10:22:31 PM  
The fact that the chinkonaut was riding in the basket of a cherry picker is a bit fishy.
 
2009-04-23 10:35:00 PM  

oldebayer: The fact that the chinkonaut was riding in the basket of a cherry picker is a bit fishy.


Wow. Congratulations, you're an asshole.
 
2009-04-23 10:41:01 PM  

Joelogon: Wow. Congratulations, you're an asshole.


You're just pissed that the Chinese astronaut will do the job for $.75 an hour.
 
2009-04-23 10:49:09 PM  

Joelogon: Wow. Congratulations, you're an asshole.


What's the PC term? Sinonaut?
 
2009-04-23 10:53:35 PM  
There isn't a goddamn thing anyone on this planet can say to back up this video. It's Chinese state-controlled video released to the rest of the planet for everyone's perusal.

These videos were filmed underwater. Proof: Bubbles escaping, and not the chimp.

Fake, pure & simple.

There is no defense for that. This is a fake spacewalk video based strictly on the air bubbles. This footage was filmed underwater. Never mind the 'studio lights' argument, or even the 'Earth looks strange' tangent.

Those were air bubbles, in a body of water, unaccounted for by whatever Chinese censors look for that type of thing.
 
2009-04-23 10:54:22 PM  

crypticsatellite: What's the PC term? Sinonaut?


The PC non-slur term they use is taikonaut (new window). Not sure what other nationalities say (outside of cosmonaut, of course)
 
2009-04-23 10:54:39 PM  

crypticsatellite: Joelogon: Wow. Congratulations, you're an asshole.

What's the PC term? Sinonaut?


Taikonaut, aren't they?
 
2009-04-23 10:58:36 PM  

Dallymo: crypticsatellite: Joelogon: Wow. Congratulations, you're an asshole.

What's the PC term? Sinonaut?

Taikonaut, aren't they?


Actors ;)
 
2009-04-23 11:15:53 PM  

SpinStopper: Dallymo: crypticsatellite: Joelogon: Wow. Congratulations, you're an asshole.

What's the PC term? Sinonaut?

Taikonaut, aren't they?

Actors ;)


Flogmen
 
2009-04-23 11:18:16 PM  

crypticsatellite: Joelogon: Wow. Congratulations, you're an asshole.

What's the PC term? Sinonaut?


Waiter.

Just like any other out of work actor.
 
2009-04-23 11:21:02 PM  

crypticsatellite: Joelogon: Wow. Congratulations, you're an asshole.

What's the PC term? Sinonaut?


"Astroraut"
 
2009-04-23 11:24:06 PM  
Joelogon

oldebayer: "The fact that the chinkonaut was riding in the basket of a cherry picker is a bit fishy."

Wow. Congratulations, you're an asshole.


You are making me regret that I didn't go with my original idea and say "chelly pickel." ;~)
 
2009-04-23 11:24:40 PM  
Not sure if it was or not, they sure as hell look like bubbles, and are acting like bubbles...

But the audio was a prerecord, this I am sure of.
 
2009-04-23 11:27:33 PM  
I can't believe this stupid video was greenlit.

Claim 1: There are air bubbles
Refutation: It's refuse. Spacecraft are not farking clean rooms.

Claim 2: Bubbles speed up in zero g.
Refutation: The refuse was propelled in such a way that it moved closer towards the camera, which creates the illusion of greater speed. This can be shown due to the fact that it gets larger.

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Claim 3: Mirrors reflect 'stadium lights'.
Refutation: Mirrors reflect spacecraft lights. This can be shown by looking at the spacecraft.

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Claim 4: The Earth isn't a lightsource.
Refutation: Yes it is, you farking idiot. It reflects the farking sun.

Claim 5: Because the Earth isn't a light source, the lighting indicates these scenes were shot at different times.
Refutation:

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Notice that the taiknauts right leg is bathed in light (reflected from the Earth) and is bent at the knee, placing his foot higher than the right leg. Now notice how that sunlight is still there on his right leg, and his right leg is still bent upwards in the very next angle.

Claim 6: Flag moves like it is underwater.
Refutation: No, it moves like it's a flag being twisted around in zero g. Wet cloth is heavy and sinks, it wouldn't suddenly reverse direction like shown in the video.

Claim 7: Why don't the Astronauts ever let go? Americans and Russians let go all the time.
Refutation: It was their first spacewalk, you idiot. You don't take a car out for the first time and start doing doughnuts either.

Claim 8: The Earths position is stable.
Refutation: Because they're in a stable orbit. Idiot.

Claim 9: The Earths clouds move very quickly.
Refutation: Because spacecraft at that distance orbit the earth between 17 and 18 thousand miles per hour.

The only thing there isn't an obvious answer for is the final claim:

Claim 10: The footage and sound is too clear.
Refutation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K5DiKsZhTk

This is the footage from the first American space walk. Notice how clean it is? This was in 1965. It appears that when a country is trying to impress its tax holders, they spare no expense on the good cameras. You know, like China was doing during their spacewalk.
 
2009-04-23 11:34:34 PM  
How much are the Chinese paying you, ninjakirby?
 
2009-04-23 11:37:40 PM  

EviLincoln: How much are the Chinese paying you, ninjakirby?


Lifetime supply of Phở.
 
2009-04-23 11:38:53 PM  

oldebayer: You are making me regret that I didn't go with my original idea and say "chelly pickel." ;~)


Eh, the R => L substitution has been so overused it's just mildly offensive, especially because the person usually ends up messing it up and just starts dropping Ls in random places.

Anyway, the video was stupid, too.
 
2009-04-23 11:52:54 PM  
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They're on very thin ice.
VERY thin ice.
 
2009-04-24 1:13:36 AM  

crypticsatellite: What's the PC term? Sinonaut?


Chinamen-o-naut.
 
2009-04-24 2:30:35 AM  
So what, NASA faked a freakin' moon landing
 
2009-04-24 2:41:34 AM  
If I ever meat anybody from space, I'm just gonna play dumb and try to rub off some singed metal aroma.rub off, rub...off, there was this article about how we smell motorbikes in space and, and I drink a lot, but I remember why I sell grit and I'll biatch that x-prize, I can make a Kaufman anywhere, but I gotta ask: WHY?
WHY THE fark ARE WE TRYING TO GET OFF THIS PLANET?
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WHEN WE GET THERE?
EXISTENTIAL BULLshiat
BUT TRUE
We need a reason, and religion is dead because of reason.
You can tell that I rent, right?
I'm a home honer, thouhg
 
2009-04-24 2:50:09 AM  

crypticsatellite: Joelogon: Wow. Congratulations, you're an asshole.

What's the PC term? Sinonaut?


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Celestials.
 
2009-04-24 3:19:16 AM  

moriarty23: If I ever

meat anybody from space, I'm just gonna play dumb

Mission accomplished.
Bong down the put.
 
2009-04-24 3:26:20 AM  

moriarty23: If I ever meat anybody from space, I'm just gonna play dumb and try to rub off some singed metal aroma.rub off, rub...off, there was this article about how we smell motorbikes in space and, and I drink a lot, but I remember why I sell grit and I'll biatch that x-prize, I can make a Kaufman anywhere, but I gotta ask: WHY?
WHY THE fark ARE WE TRYING TO GET OFF THIS PLANET?
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WHEN WE GET THERE?
EXISTENTIAL BULLshiat
BUT TRUE
We need a reason, and religion is dead because of reason.
You can tell that I rent, right?
I'm a home honer, thouhg


Can I have whatever it is you're smoking?
 
2009-04-24 3:34:17 AM  
What discounts such claims as these is the really crappy quality video that is typical of Youtube videos. For cats doing funny stuff the quality typical of Youtube video is no big deal but if you're going to make a claim like this, you need to provide the original video in its raw uncompressed state.
 
2009-04-24 3:53:26 AM  

PacManDreaming: crypticsatellite: What's the PC term? Sinonaut?

Chinamen-o-naut.


I'm pretty sure that's NOT the preferred nomenclature.

ninjakirby: EviLincoln: How much are the Chinese paying you, ninjakirby?

Lifetime supply of Phở.


The plot thickens. What do the Vietnamese have to do with this?
 
2009-04-24 3:54:32 AM  

Befuddled: What discounts such claims as these is the really crappy quality video that is typical of Youtube videos. For cats doing funny stuff the quality typical of Youtube video is no big deal but if you're going to make a claim like this, you need to provide the original video in its raw uncompressed state.

This.
well, I wouldn't ask for .raw, but I would ask for a heck of a lot better encoding quality than the one presented here.
 
2009-04-24 4:10:05 AM  

Brainmask: The plot thickens. What do the Vietnamese have to do with this?


Pho is very popular among Chinese and Koreans. Nuff said.
 
2009-04-24 4:19:38 AM  
the spot at 45 seconds to 51 seconds does look like a bubble to me. Looks like it comes from under him and tracks across his helmut. It does seem to change shape. It would get larger as water pressure decreases but not sure it would expand that much.

letting one rip in a pool while wearing a dive mask makes weird bubbles like that.

/wonder what they ate for lunch?
//anyone know where to find the real video to examine?
 
2009-04-24 5:07:18 AM  
Sign up for Type 1!
 
2009-04-24 6:29:38 AM  

Asura-HiME: Brainmask: The plot thickens. What do the Vietnamese have to do with this?

Pho is very popular among Chinese and Koreans. Nuff said.


I've been to all 3 places. Never saw pho in Korea or China, only Vietnam. They both have hotpot and noodle soup, which they eat regularly, but never pho as you would see flavored and prepared with the fresh basil, cilantro, peppers and sprouts in good ol' Vietnam.

/just sayin
 
2009-04-24 7:37:52 AM  
He is not under 0G, the Earth still pulls him towards it.
 
2009-04-24 8:02:26 AM  
What do you expect, they faked their ladder to heaven too!!

/Where were you?
 
2009-04-24 8:32:01 AM  
That was some uplifting music. Made me want to fight for some lost cause or something. Was it the Chinese national anthem?
 
2009-04-24 8:32:02 AM  
ninjakirby: You refute #8 by saying the spacecraft is in geosynchronous orbit (???), and you refute #9 by saying the clouds appear to move fast because of the spacecraft's fast motion relative to Earth?
 
2009-04-24 8:38:43 AM  
Asians coming to defend the homeland in 3...2..awwwww wait...already happened.
 
2009-04-24 8:50:34 AM  

ninjakirby: Claim 6: Flag moves like it is underwater.
Refutation: No, it moves like it's a flag being twisted around in zero g. Wet cloth is heavy and sinks, it wouldn't suddenly reverse direction like shown in the video.



I'm an animator and have studied the motion of flags so I'm getting a kick out of these replies, etc...

You're right, ninjakirby. The flag is moving just as it's supposed to in zero g. As the flag in the video moves about, it flips around too fast for it to be underwater; there is no visible drag on it.
 
2009-04-24 8:58:49 AM  

ninjakirby: I can't believe this stupid video was greenlit.


As someone who is genuinely on the edge about this (and genuinely doesn't care one way or the other), I must say that your repetitive use of "idiot" really hurts your argument, but I guess that was your point: your support that this is real is a joke.
 
2009-04-24 9:41:04 AM  

StormDawg: ninjakirby: You refute #8 by saying the spacecraft is in geosynchronous orbit (???), and you refute #9 by saying the clouds appear to move fast because of the spacecraft's fast motion relative to Earth?


No he didn't.
Stable does not necessarily mean geosynchronous.
 
2009-04-24 10:19:00 AM  
NASA has not provided any real evidence that the Moon landings weren't faked. They keep promising a photo of the lander that is still there. I haven't seen it yet. Maybe Martians stole it.
 
2009-04-24 10:21:03 AM  

ninjakirby: I can't believe this stupid video was greenlit.


Newsletter?
 
2009-04-24 10:23:47 AM  
ninjakirby: It wasn't. Shockingly, America landed on the moon too. I know, big surprise.

I can buy that explanation, I'm still waiting on the air bubble thing though.

Refutation: It's refuse. Spacecraft are not farking clean rooms.

Are you kidding me. They are built "In" clean rooms. Nobody wants to expend fuel on lifting one gram extra into orbit if they can help it. Also why would some random detritus be stuck on an EVA suit? I'd also like an explanation as to what propelled the "Refuse" in the first place. It's not like he shrugged really hard to eject it. He looked pretty stable to me when it happened.

Refutation: The refuse was propelled in such a way that it moved closer towards the camera, which creates the illusion of greater speed. This can be shown due to the fact that it gets larger.

Bubbles get larger as they go up and less water pressure is exerted upon them. You're not making a convincing argument by pointing out the fact that they get larger.

My opinion is that they filmed some of this in a tank and some in actual orbit. Spliced it together and added audio then tried to pass it all off as "Live footage". We would've heard it by now (AKA the NK missile launch) if they failed to achieve orbit and the EVA was faked, there are ways to check these things.
 
2009-04-24 10:25:35 AM  
Even if this were fake, NASA sure as hell isn't going to say anything about it.
 
2009-04-24 10:39:59 AM  
What is it with space missions that cause the conspiracy nuts to go wild?
 
2009-04-24 10:49:11 AM  
Hey, I saw this.

The best part is Telly Savalas as the lovable cropduster pilot.
 
2009-04-24 10:49:41 AM  

Radioactive Ass: ninjakirby:

Refutation: The refuse was propelled in such a way that it moved closer towards the camera, which creates the illusion of greater speed. This can be shown due to the fact that it gets larger.

Bubbles get larger as they go up and less water pressure is exerted upon them. You're not making a convincing argument by pointing out the fact that they get larger.



I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that the bubble seen in the video follows the contour of the guy's diving space helmet. Debris in space does NOT move like that. It would have dinged the bottom of his visor and deflected out away from him, not follow a nice flowing curve up and around his visor.
 
2009-04-24 10:56:30 AM  
SpinStopper
Dallymo: crypticsatellite: Joelogon: Wow. Congratulations, you're an asshole.

What's the PC term? Sinonaut?

Taikonaut, aren't they?

Actors ;)


Well, in this instance I believe we can call them "Astro-Nots"
 
2009-04-24 11:06:24 AM  

OnmyojiOmn: Celestials.


Very nice indeed, sir.
 
2009-04-24 11:06:47 AM  

Radioactive Ass: Bubbles get larger as they go up and less water pressure is exerted upon them. You're not making a convincing argument by pointing out the fact that they get larger.



Is that effect noticeable as the bubble moves a few inches? Do real-life underwater bubbles grow 100% in size as they rise 1 foot?
 
2009-04-24 11:09:28 AM  

Radioactive Ass: Are you kidding me. They are built "In" clean rooms.


Do you just make this shiat up as you go along? Sure, some satellites and scientific probes are assembled in clean rooms and anything going to the moon or another planet has to be made in a clean room (so as not to contaminate the other planet with terrestrial microbes), but low Earth orbit vehicles are not made in a clean room. Some parts may be, but other elements are not.

Among other reasons, as soon as the astronauts step into the cabin, it stops being a clean room, doofus. And once they start doing doing the spinning banana tricks, it's really not a clean room.

for example.
 
2009-04-24 11:30:57 AM  

ninjakirby: Claim 8: The Earths position is stable.
Refutation: Because they're in a stable orbit.


Space shuttle missions rarely go higher than 400km, which is where the ISS is at. The radius of a geosynchronous orbit is 35,000 km. Maybe those wacky Chinese decided to go 1000 times higher than necessary to show the might of the glorious Peoples Republic. Probably not.

Idiot.

No argument there.
 
2009-04-24 11:35:28 AM  

ninjakirby: Lifetime supply of Phở.


That is Vietnamese not Chinese.
 
2009-04-24 11:49:04 AM  

Radioactive Ass: We would've heard it by now (AKA the NK missile launch) if they failed to achieve orbit and the EVA was faked, there are ways to check these things.


Like tracking it with radio telemetry from Honolulu?

syrynxx: The radius of a geosynchronous orbit is 35,000 km.


Why does everyone think I mean geosynchronus when I said stable? The spacewalk lasted 15 minutes (not hours, as this stupid video claims). Their orbit was stable, ie the opposite of erratic, so during those 15 minutes the Earths relative position doesn't alter.

Radioactive Ass: I can buy that explanation, I'm still waiting on the air bubble thing though.


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Tracks of seven objects during Chinese space walk. Red tracks are the visual 'start' and 'finish' of the objects, blue tracks are lines drawn back to possible origin. Object number and time in video included. Scene frozen at 26 seconds into video when object 1 is seen (CCTV)



After a whole evening devoted to scrutinizing floating Chinese astronauts, I'm convinced that the China space walk is authentic, although I'm not prepared to dismiss the conspiracy claims out of hand. Pretty much all of the claims can be explained easily (of which I'll give a rundown later), but the one thing I have been intrigued by are the alleged "bubbles."

The theory goes a little like this: In an effort to direct attention away from the baby milk scandal, China rushed the launch of the Long-March II-F rocket to bring their successful EVA forward by a few days. Alas, the Chinese authorities had no intention to send a costly mission into space. So, just like the faked visuals in the Beijing Olympics, they put together a Capricorn One-style faked space mission to wow the world.

So how did they do this? They shot the whole EVA in a massive water tank; the rotating Earth was pasted in by digital-visual experts. What do you get in water? Bubbles. And by the looks of things, there are plenty of bubbles in the video!

Actually, although I was curious at first (and I'll explain why in a moment), those objects you see are not bubbles, it's pieces of debris being released from inside the spaceship and from the activities of the taikonauts. If you have a look at the image above, I decided to trace the paths taken by our "bubbles" in an attempt to see where they originated. Although I was using the highly scientific method of pausing a YouTube video and hitting the "Prt Sc" button, I think I was able to capture seven "bubbles" pretty nicely. Then, using Photoshop (like that's never been used in space-related propaganda before) I traced the track made by the "bubbles" (red line) and then traced its direction back to a possible origin (blue line) - all are straight lines. I would have liked to have captured more of these "bubbles" but even the "high quality" version of the video wasn't great, so I had to make do with seven.

As pointed out by the anti-conspiracy theorists out there, bubbles tend to float upward. Well, this is true, but I was concerned that these "bubbles" could still be "bubbles" even though they look as if they are travelling in "random" directions. After all, if weightless conditions had been replicated in a huge water tank, why would it matter which way up the "mocked" spaceship was orientated? I was concerned that we may be looking at a full-scale mock-up of the Shenzhou-7 dangling down, or tilted, so the camera is at the top, looking toward the bottom of the tank. Therefore, any "bubbles" produced float upward, toward and then away from the camera. At first, this might give the impression the "bubbles" are travelling in random directions... but there would be a flaw to this plan...
The 2004 Perseid meteor shower - example of meteors originating from a common point, the radiant (© Fred Bruenjes)

The 2004 Perseid meteor shower - example of meteors originating from a common point, the radiant (© Fred Bruenjes)

If we are able to track the paths of each of the "bubbles", given enough bubbles, we should see a statistical trend toward a radiant pattern, much like a meteor radiant (pictured left). After all, given enough travel time, all bubbles in a deep tank will float upward, in a straight-ish line, each tracing back to a more-or-less common radial point.

So what do we see? "Bubbles" numbered 1, 2, 4, 6 and 7 seem to appear from a common point.

Hah! Proof that these are bubbles!

Woah, hold on just a minute. There are another two "bubble tracks" that don't follow this pattern. The renegade "bubbles" (numbered 3 and 5) seem to not fit this trend, plus they are travelling in straight lines, no curvature or turbulent behaviour to suggest they were being disturbed. For my theory to be correct, all the bubbles would need to be travelling from the same radial point. Unless they are being blown around by some underwater fan system; my radiant theory was getting weak.

So I looked back to the official explanation as to what these "bubbles" were: debris from inside the Shenzhou module were being released into space - the pressure gradient from inside (the capsule's pressure will have been "equalized" with the vacuum of space, it wouldn't be a perfect vacuum) to outside caused the fast velocities of the debris.

With this in mind, I looked to where "bubbles" 1, 2, 4, 6 and 7 came from. Tracing back along the blue lines, they do indeed originate from the open hatch. Still, they might have still been bubbles, but that didn't explain "bubbles" 3 and 5. 3 and 5 originated from the activity of Zhai Zhigang during the EVA and appeared to fire away in completely different directions to the other five "bubbles". Also, on reviewing each of the moving objects, they appear to very un-bubble-like shapes. Some look like tumbling pieces of ice or other flake-like pieces of debris.

Alas, there is one thing I cannot very explain convincingly. At 3:03 minutes into the video, you will notice a strange bubble-like object appear near Zhai's visor. This is one of the key elements to the space walk conspiracy. It looks like a bubble has been released, it travels around the bulbous helmet and then released upwards (following line number 3 in my diagram), much like what you'd expect from a diver's mask. I actually think this is a piece of debris travelling toward the camera, giving the impression it is an expanding bubble travelling upwards. There is probably a contributing reflection in the visor that makes it look as if the debris is travelling around the visor, when it is actually travelling on a linear path away from Zhai. I'll leave that oddity for you to decide.

We must also remember, if this was shot in a massive tank of water, there would be a lot more bubbles in the water. Unless they were digitally removed (in which case, why leave the obvious seven bubbles for us all to see?), this definitely was not an underwater scene. Other underwater phenomena like turbulence, cavitation and nucleation are also not present.


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GilRuiz1: You're right, ninjakirby. The flag is moving just as it's supposed to in zero g. As the flag in the video moves about, it flips around too fast for it to be underwater; there is no visible drag on it.


Well good to know, cause that was probably the one that took me the longest to figure out. I was trying to think back to when I was a kid and would swim a lot. What finally convinced me I was on the right track was a few frames where the flag shoots upward very quickly. The only thing that could cause it to do that in water would be some sort of strong jet.
 
2009-04-24 11:50:38 AM  

Hollywood Cole: ninjakirby: Lifetime supply of Phở.

That is Vietnamese not Chinese.


They're in cahoots.
 
2009-04-24 11:51:18 AM  
2:38-2:46 - "Earth's clouds move very quickly. Clouds don't move that quickly."
3:02 - the comparison with "real" US and Russian spacewalks - notice how quickly the clouds are moving? This moron can't even keep his own "evidence" straight.
 
2009-04-24 11:53:05 AM  
The Earth doesn't move because of the type of orbit; that's fine, but should it at least change shape since the Earth isn't a perfect sphere?

I don't doubt that they went into space, but I think that something as simple as a technical malfunction preventing them from recording video would spur the Chinese to make such a video. Again, I would like to reiterate: I really don't care one way or the other.

As far as the name calling goes, aren't we all idiots compared to rocket scientists? I mean, a rocket scientist lays out the physics, launches a shuttle, and *BAM* he's right; no arguments. Do we really have to do their hard work and dedication injustice by bringing childish name-calling into it?

/asshat
 
2009-04-24 12:06:54 PM  
D-D-D-Dave: People who manufacture evidence to promote a conspiracy theory are next-level idiots. To your first question-- I don't think so; the earth shouldn't change shape in a 15 minute video taken aboard a spacecraft in a stable orbit.

Ninjakirby: pwn pwn pwn, well done.
 
2009-04-24 12:14:25 PM  

D-D-D-Dave: The Earth doesn't move because of the type of orbit; that's fine, but should it at least change shape since the Earth isn't a perfect sphere?


The Earth isn't a perfect sphere due to gravitational interaction with the moon and well because it spins, but "The variation in density and crustal thickness causes gravity to vary on the surface, so that the mean sea level will differ from the ellipsoid. This difference is the geoid height, positive above or outside the ellipsoid, negative below or inside. The geoid height variation is under 110 m on Earth."

You are simply not going to see that with the naked eye. We measure it with the Gravity Field and Steady-State Ocean Circulation Explorer (GOCE) satellite.

D-D-D-Dave: As far as the name calling goes, aren't we all idiots compared to rocket scientists?


Yes, but someone who makes a conspiracy video and claims that A) The Earth isn't a source of light, and B) The clouds move too fast, is an idiot compared to damn near everyone.
 
2009-04-24 12:20:46 PM  
Wow, the Chinese counterfeit everything, even space walks.
 
2009-04-24 12:24:29 PM  
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Approves

/yeah, heaven-Japan, not space-China.
 
2009-04-24 12:50:48 PM  

FeBolas: I don't think so; the earth shouldn't change shape in a 15 minute


Agreed, I didn't realize it was only a 15 minute video until after that post.

But the flag doesn't move like wet cloth because it is actually a semi-flexible hard plastic. Ah-ha! Eat it truthies!
 
2009-04-24 1:16:43 PM  
Well, I must admit the bubbly looking things almost had me for a second. I'm glad lots of smart people hang out here.

/Smart - asses, anyway...
 
2009-04-24 2:47:45 PM  

Joelogon: oldebayer: The fact that the chinkonaut was riding in the basket of a cherry picker is a bit fishy.

Wow. Congratulations, you're an asshole.


Why are there idiots like you who have to make everything PC when someone is making a joke?
 
2009-04-24 3:17:24 PM  

PacManDreaming: crypticsatellite: What's the PC term? Sinonaut?

Chinamen-o-naut.



Dude, please. Chinamen is not the preferred nomenclature.
 
2009-04-24 3:46:25 PM  
Buzz Aldrin is gonna punch somebody in the face.
 
2009-04-24 4:02:10 PM  
Wait! Are you telling me that socialists can't be trusted? Why did we elect one then?
 
2009-04-24 5:26:24 PM  
crab66
Asians coming to defend the homeland in 3...2..awwwww wait...already happened.


Nah, just dumbass tinfoilers whining about other countries again. Seriously, when was the last time the US stopped whining about everything Chinese? At least Bush-tard stopped having his envoys telling China every month since 2001 how to "run" their banking system in order to "free" their markets.
 
2009-04-24 6:12:56 PM  
ninjakirby: I can't believe this stupid video was greenlit.

Claim 1: There are air bubbles
Refutation: It's refuse. Spacecraft are not farking clean rooms.

Claim 2: Bubbles speed up in zero g.
Refutation: The refuse was propelled in such a way that it moved closer towards the camera, which creates the illusion of greater speed. This can be shown due to the fact that it gets larger.

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Claim 3: Mirrors reflect 'stadium lights'.
Refutation: Mirrors reflect spacecraft lights. This can be shown by looking at the spacecraft.

97.74.127.8

Claim 4: The Earth isn't a lightsource.
Refutation: Yes it is, you farking idiot. It reflects the farking sun.

Claim 5: Because the Earth isn't a light source, the lighting indicates these scenes were shot at different times.
Refutation:

i2.photobucket.com

Notice that the taiknauts right leg is bathed in light (reflected from the Earth) and is bent at the knee, placing his foot higher than the right leg. Now notice how that sunlight is still there on his right leg, and his right leg is still bent upwards in the very next angle.

Claim 6: Flag moves like it is underwater.
Refutation: No, it moves like it's a flag being twisted around in zero g. Wet cloth is heavy and sinks, it wouldn't suddenly reverse direction like shown in the video.

Claim 7: Why don't the Astronauts ever let go? Americans and Russians let go all the time.
Refutation: It was their first spacewalk, you idiot. You don't take a car out for the first time and start doing doughnuts either.

Claim 8: The Earths position is stable.
Refutation: Because they're in a stable orbit. Idiot.

Claim 9: The Earths clouds move very quickly.
Refutation: Because spacecraft at that distance orbit the earth between 17 and 18 thousand miles per hour.

The only thing there isn't an obvious answer for is the final claim:

Claim 10: The footage and sound is too clear.
Refutation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K5DiKsZhTk

This is the footage from the first American space walk. Notice how clean it is? This was in 1965. It appears that when a country is trying to impress its tax holders, they spare no expense on the good cameras. You know, like China was doing during their spacewalk.


Jesus was an extraterrestrial.
 
2009-04-24 6:23:35 PM  
Okay, with all the hullabaloo about this and the US lunar landing, blah blah blah... Has anyone considered the possibility that real footage is a bit boring compared to what we expect, so governments might throw in a few specially made scenes to make things more exciting?

(Anyway, I don't think the US landing was fake, and I don't care too much about whether or not this spacewalk was real.)
 
2009-04-24 7:23:55 PM  

Norad: There isn't a goddamn thing anyone on this planet can say to back up this video. It's Chinese state-controlled video released to the rest of the planet for everyone's perusal.

These videos were filmed underwater. Proof: Bubbles escaping, and not the chimp.

Fake, pure & simple.

There is no defense for that. This is a fake spacewalk video based strictly on the air bubbles. This footage was filmed underwater. Never mind the 'studio lights' argument, or even the 'Earth looks strange' tangent.

Those were air bubbles, in a body of water, unaccounted for by whatever Chinese censors look for that type of thing.


Troll lolz
 
2009-04-24 7:29:09 PM  

Radioactive Ass: ninjakirby: It wasn't. Shockingly, America landed on the moon too. I know, big surprise.

I can buy that explanation, I'm still waiting on the air bubble thing though.

Refutation: It's refuse. Spacecraft are not farking clean rooms.

Are you kidding me. They are built "In" clean rooms. Nobody wants to expend fuel on lifting one gram extra into orbit if they can help it. Also why would some random detritus be stuck on an EVA suit? I'd also like an explanation as to what propelled the "Refuse" in the first place. It's not like he shrugged really hard to eject it. He looked pretty stable to me when it happened.

Refutation: The refuse was propelled in such a way that it moved closer towards the camera, which creates the illusion of greater speed. This can be shown due to the fact that it gets larger.

Bubbles get larger as they go up and less water pressure is exerted upon them. You're not making a convincing argument by pointing out the fact that they get larger.

My opinion is that they filmed some of this in a tank and some in actual orbit. Spliced it together and added audio then tried to pass it all off as "Live footage". We would've heard it by now (AKA the NK missile launch) if they failed to achieve orbit and the EVA was faked, there are ways to check these things.


look at the video again of the air bubbles in the water tank vs the chinese eva vid. Look how they behave, and the velocity they move.

There is a difference.
 
2009-04-24 8:56:50 PM  
I was hoping for the real vs. fake boob thread. Or did someone already say it? DNRC
 
2009-04-24 10:29:15 PM  

Umokay: Asura-HiME: Brainmask: The plot thickens. What do the Vietnamese have to do with this?

Pho is very popular among Chinese and Koreans. Nuff said.

I've been to all 3 places. Never saw pho in Korea or China, only Vietnam. They both have hotpot and noodle soup, which they eat regularly, but never pho as you would see flavored and prepared with the fresh basil, cilantro, peppers and sprouts in good ol' Vietnam.

/just sayin


Vietnamese are the masters of pho. I crave it.
 
2009-04-24 10:32:19 PM  
"WHAT ELSE WOULD IT BE??"(besides a bubble). Uh I dunno, google "space junk" genius. Usually the words "Judge for yourself!" or "You be the judge!" accompany a smell of BS.
 
2009-04-24 11:21:46 PM  
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I hope he does not hit hotlinkers...
 
2009-04-25 2:31:24 AM  

Fano: Vietnamese are the masters of pho. I crave it.


Theirs a Viet Pho place 4 blocks from here. It's fantastic.
 
2009-04-25 5:23:07 AM  

GungFu: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Joelogon: oldebayer: The fact that the chinkonaut was riding in the basket of a cherry picker is a bit fishy.

Wow. Congratulations, you're an asshole.

Why are there idiots like you who have to make everything PC when someone is making a joke?

And for idiots like you...

Ask yourself why does someone need to make a joke in the first place knowing it's potentially offensive?

It's made because it's not PC, and made for the laughter of simple-minded idiots like you...


Yawn....you must be a hit at parties.
 
2009-04-25 9:32:45 AM  

badhatharry: NASA has not provided any real evidence that the Moon landings weren't faked. They keep promising a photo of the lander that is still there. I haven't seen it yet. Maybe Martians stole it.


There are six landing sites and if you think all the extant documentation and evidence of the Apollo program is fake, I doubt more will convince you. Anyway, the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter is scheduled for launch in a couple months. The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter made multiple images of the smaller unmanned landers and rovers on the surface of Mars.
 
UPS
2009-04-25 9:46:03 AM  
Gung fu is a chink-o-naut that faked a spacewalk.And the Bejing Olympics. All of it.
 
2009-04-25 10:32:10 AM  

Nem Wan: badhatharry: NASA has not provided any real evidence that the Moon landings weren't faked. They keep promising a photo of the lander that is still there. I haven't seen it yet. Maybe Martians stole it.

There are six landing sites and if you think all the extant documentation and evidence of the Apollo program is fake, I doubt more will convince you. Anyway, the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter is scheduled for launch in a couple months. The Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter made multiple images of the smaller unmanned landers and rovers on the surface of Mars.


Landing a unmanned rover on Mars is a lot easier than the Apollo missions. Landing is the easy part, coming back is the tricky part. The Japanese have a orbiter of the Moon that is taking great high resolution images of the Moon's surface. I just want to see new photos of the Apollo landing sites or rovers left behind. I won't be surprised when they can't for some reason.
 
2009-04-25 1:28:48 PM  

OnmyojiOmn: crypticsatellite: Joelogon: Wow. Congratulations, you're an asshole.

What's the PC term? Sinonaut?

Celestials.



SWEAGIN...COCKSUCKA
 
2009-04-25 2:04:03 PM  

badhatharry:
Landing a unmanned rover on Mars is a lot easier than the Apollo missions. Landing is the easy part, coming back is the tricky part. The Japanese have a orbiter of the Moon that is taking great high resolution images of the Moon's surface. I just want to see new photos of the Apollo landing sites or rovers left behind. I won't be surprised when they can't for some reason.


Fair enough. And if imaging does show the landing sites, we can all assume you will come back to Fark and say "I was a stupid douchenozzle and i was wrong wrong WRONG!"

OK?
 
2009-04-26 6:09:50 AM  
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You guys didn't even bother to look for more information online, did you?

China faked their space mission. Proof positive in the following links:

Link (MISSION SCRIPT & INCIDENTS LEAKED ONLINE HOURS BEFORE LAUNCH) - or if you want to consider another perspective, it appears that "due to a technical error", the full conversation between Chinese Mission Control and the astronauts (including their opinions and reactions) was also leaked BEFORE the flight and was subsequently removed from the internet... Link (More entertainment here!)

Why China feels a need to lie is up to you to consider. But LIE they DO... a perfect example is when their so-called Lunar Satellite returned a picture taken from the moon... which turned out to be the same as one found on Google Earth when rotated 20%. They lied then and they're lying now.

Clearly the missions were faked and designed to give the impression that China is a global power worth reckoning with. Just remember that this is the same China that exports fake Rolex watches and even fake Rolls Royce cars to be viewed in car shows. Wake up, dummies!
 
2009-04-26 10:01:57 AM  

CitizenTed: badhatharry:
Landing a unmanned rover on Mars is a lot easier than the Apollo missions. Landing is the easy part, coming back is the tricky part. The Japanese have a orbiter of the Moon that is taking great high resolution images of the Moon's surface. I just want to see new photos of the Apollo landing sites or rovers left behind. I won't be surprised when they can't for some reason.

Fair enough. And if imaging does show the landing sites, we can all assume you will come back to Fark and say "I was a stupid douchenozzle and i was wrong wrong WRONG!"

OK?


I am not saying that I am sure that Apollo was fake. I seems impossible that it was fake but it is one conspiracy theory I find interesting. Mostly because of the behavior of the men who have walked on the Moon. They are all a little strange. Yes, even Buzz Aldrin, who punched out a guy because he asked him to swear on a Bible that he actually walked on the Moon.
 
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