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(Discovery)   Scientists have found cloneable mammoth cells. McDonald's planning new super duper size value meal   ( animal.discovery.com) divider line
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2003-02-06 05:01:50 PM  
i wonder how big they poop
2003-02-06 05:11:14 PM  
hmmm.... we can= we should?
2003-02-06 05:11:41 PM  
Nice - but expect a letter from his lawyers any minute now.

I think that the ability to resurrect extinct species is pretty cool - it's not like we're not responsible for most of them in the past few thousand years.

I have a question for someone with more cloning savvy than me:

I always thought that the defining part of "cloning" was the substitution of all chromosomes (in a single cell nucleus) of a being, instead of the combining of the half-from-the-mother; half-from-the-father chromosones in sexual reproduction. But this article says the resulting offspring would be a half-mammoth, half-elephant hybrid. If the nucleus of a mammoth were implanted in the egg of an elephant, I would think it would be all mammoth.

Any cloning geeks out there?
2003-02-06 05:16:10 PM  
I am not a cloning geek, nor do I play one on TV. But I think I recall something about the increased chance of survival if they use half elephant and half mammoth.
2003-02-06 05:24:12 PM  
Wiggum- I dont buy it. You got a cite on that?
2003-02-06 05:25:24 PM  
I think what they want to do is get somehwere in the neigbourhood of 7/8 or 15/16 mammoth animal. This way it would be mainly mammoth, take on the physical traits of a mommoth, but anything that would be needed, to say fight off newer diseases/bacteria, would be gained from the 1/8 or 1/16 elephant.

/pertending I'm a scientist
2003-02-06 05:34:10 PM  
Richard Gere surrenders

(get it? new large mammal for his ass? Was this was deleted earlier for some reason, or did my post died after I hit "add comment"?)
2003-02-06 05:47:15 PM  
Does anybody know what kind of animal this is? Its eyes are awesome!

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2003-02-06 06:35:59 PM  
Yes, Vman, "we can" always equals "we should".

Not that we should make a habit of anything until the outcome can be generally well predicted, but to fail try something at the boundaries of science -- especially because of some currently-fashionable "moral" objection -- is to crap all over the entire human species, and everything that makes us who we are.
2003-02-06 06:49:40 PM  

Looks like a silver-backed Olsentwin Stalker to me.
2003-02-06 06:50:20 PM  
wouldn't the mammoth get hot? didn't they live in the ice age? How do we know what the atmosphere was like back then itll probably die from being built for a diffrent time.
2003-02-06 06:50:26 PM  
I think we should go ahead and do it. Why not? What if one day we find a way to colonize other planets, wouldn't we want the technology to be able to bring life whereever we go from DNA instead of building a giant ark and bringing live animals?
2003-02-06 07:08:43 PM  
Can i have a blue one?.
2003-02-06 08:26:14 PM  
02-06-03 03:54:57 PM Jimbo_tull
So they're going to create cloned mammoths. Sounds all well and cool and everything. But they plan on having them live on the frozen tundra. What happens to them when the Packers go back to Lambeau field?
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Dunno...the Packers can't even beat a bunch of damned birds
2003-02-06 08:47:23 PM  
Looks like a gorilla.
2003-02-06 09:27:47 PM  
Het, is it too early to sign up for the first hunting lottery? Bangitty-bang-bang.
2003-02-06 09:45:09 PM  
In ten years I see myself walking my pair of Dire Wolves around the block when a mugger steps out from the shadows. Free dog food!
2003-02-06 09:46:09 PM  
Female lowland gorilla, I think.
2003-02-06 09:55:47 PM  
Anyone who thinks this is a good idea deserves a cockpunch.
2003-02-07 01:26:46 AM  
'frozen tundra' is redundant. this is still a cool idea, but I wonder if this cloned creature will be able to toleate today's climate and environment.
2003-02-07 01:53:57 AM  
02-06-03 04:40:41 PM Dasein
Did anyone else notice that it would not actually be a Mammoth, but a Mammoth-Elephant hybrid?

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I know Cloning (I am not a geek)

What happen is,,,,,,
In the 1st generation, the creature will be hybrid.

Have hybrid fark the normal elephant.

1/2 of the 2nd generation will be hybrid, the other 1/2 will be normal. One can see the difference between hybrid and normal elephant.

Let the 1st generation fark several time to produce one male and one female 2nd generation hybrid.

Have the brother hybrid fark the sister hybrid.

The 3rd generation will have 1/4 chance of getting pure mammoth.

Why hybrid it instead of doing The Dolly Cloning????

Dolly Cloning produces unstable offspring. Aging of dolly clones is faster than normal.

Using the hybrid method, the Mammoth DNA can be stablized using elephant protein, assume they are compatible enough.
2003-02-07 03:38:27 AM  
Yep, we're going to need a deep fryer like Moe Syzlak got from the navy. "This baby can french fry an elephant in 45 seconds."
2003-02-07 07:50:48 AM  
Mammoths were destroyed, along with most of the world's megafauna outside africa after the last ice age (around 11,000 years ago). Wombats the size of cars in Australia, Gibbons the size of Gorillas in Madagasca, the giant sloths of South America etc etc, all wiped out by stone age man as we spread around the globe.
Mammoths are a candidate for cloning because, due to the permafrost conditions of the tundra, their flesh has occasionally survived. No hope of that with tropical or sub tropical species. There were pygmy mammoths surviving until perhaps a thousand years ago on an arctic island north of mainland russia. There are huge areas which would be suitable for mammoths - the so called mammoth steppe, not only in Russia but in Alaska too. The reasons for doing this are many, the fact that we're responsible for their destruction, that it shows the triumph of science (there's no more need for a supernatural force to animate life - or human intelligence - than there is to keep the sun bright or the earth going around it).
Think too of the massive financial spin offs. Mammoth tourism, mammoths in zoos, whoever pulled this off - and it's not that difficult really - would be making millions. As technology moves on the chances of Tasmanian Tigers, wiped out in Australia by the aborigines and in Tasmania by white sheep farmers, coming back are good. There are preserved tiger pups which could have viable cells. The point about using elephant DNA is that they are very close relatives (just as we are 98% chimp) and so you fill in any gaps in the DNA, just like a computer code, with elephant DNA. As you breed the animals you breed out the elephant characteristics until you have a pretty pure mammoth.
This would be a wonderful achievement. Of course many people will hate it because it's science, because it's progress, because it's wonderful, but the future doesn't belong to people who cling only to the past. The vast advances made in biology coontil twenty years ago the cinderella science but now the absolute cutting edge) will mean people typing out new animals in the future the way we now type out new computer code. All DNA is is a code, information, there's no god boys, only numbers. Bring on the Mammoths!
2003-02-07 08:42:31 AM  
Davnmanda, I would just like to point out how wrong you are:

God creates dinosaurs
God destroys dinosaurs
God creates man
Man destroys God
Man creates dinosaurs
Dinosaurs eat man.....
Woman inherits the earth.
2003-02-07 09:43:09 AM  
Misinformant: Looks like a Gorilla to me. The eyes are the tastiest part.
2003-02-07 09:36:45 PM  
I can't believe no one mentioned the mammoths that'll be in the circus. Hell, I'd pay to see that.
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