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2003-02-05 9:25:31 AM  
i say we nuke em
 
2003-02-05 9:26:18 AM  
Er... France surrenders?
 
2003-02-05 9:26:26 AM  
Their dressing sucks anyway.
 
2003-02-05 9:27:19 AM  
mmm French toast
 
2003-02-05 9:27:29 AM  
French is a former hegemon that has yet to really come to grips with that fact-like those skanky 45 year-old women you see in the corners of bars that just don't realize that they aren't a hottie anymore and still try to hit on the young guys. That's not to say they are powerless but the Empire is gone. They won't cede that another has taken their place in the spotlight and for the past 50 years they have acted like mad to take it back. De Gaulle pulling out of NATO in 1966 and things like that don't seem like very wise policy moves for a state. Instead they appear as basal antagonistic moves-like when we were 5 years old and decided to take our ball (or in the NATO case, nukes) back when we were losing at a game on the playground.
Until they reach a point where they are offering real options to US positions instead of simply politely pouting "Non!" their attitude will come across as simply cynical political calculation.
 
2003-02-05 9:27:31 AM  
Well, they're not with us so they're against us. Nuke them! Nuke them now before they proliferate garlic!

Nice to see that the military planning brigade don't think in soley black and white/good and evil dogmatic cliches. Just because someone disagrees with your method tackling one task, does not mean that they disagree with everything you do.
 
ndn
2003-02-05 9:27:45 AM  
"Blah blah blah, what does it all mean Bazzle?"
 
2003-02-05 9:28:05 AM  
Let me see if I got this straight. The official policy of the Bush administration is now that any country that disagrees with us either has a mentally unstable leader or is our enemy. I think that Hitler held this same deft diplomatic position in the late 30's.
 
2003-02-05 9:28:19 AM  
The only thing the French have going for them is their erstwhile charm. Actually, I meant cheese.
 
2003-02-05 9:28:47 AM  
Looks like Satire.
 
2003-02-05 9:29:49 AM  
This is retarded..... France is no longer an ally of ours because they don't want to go to war?

I'm moving to France tomorrow. At least they have a brain.
 
2003-02-05 9:29:58 AM  
But while dismissing Germany's refusal to support military action against Iraq as an aberration by "a discredited chancellor,"

well put! i had to laugh hard when i read that. there is so much truth in that statement, you wish the chancellor himself could understand what is meant.

(btw: i am from germany)
 
2003-02-05 9:30:29 AM  
i despise the french, as ive stated before, but that dude worries me.
 
2003-02-05 9:30:33 AM  
Sure, France has been an ally.

Remember the punk kid from down the street, who was such a flaming asshole, but since he lived on your street, you were expected to stick up for him when the boys from the other neighborhood came over to beat the stuffing out of him? And how he'd run crying to hide behind you? And five minutes afterwards, he'd refuse to share his toys, and call you "stupid"?

France is that kind of ally.
 
2003-02-05 9:30:43 AM  
Well, what else do you call a country full of surrender monkeys who vetoes everything you've proposed since WWII?
 
2003-02-05 9:30:56 AM  
"It is now reasonable to ask whether the United States should now or on any other occasion subordinate vital national interests to a show of hands by nations who do not share our interests," he added.

This is the scariest thing I've read in a while. Not surprising, though.
 
2003-02-05 9:31:48 AM  
"It is now reasonable to ask whether the United States should now or on any other occasion subordinate vital national interests to a show of hands by nations who do not share our interests," he added.

Right.
 
2003-02-05 9:32:06 AM  
"The official policy of the Bush administration is now that any country that disagrees with us either has a mentally unstable leader or is our enemy. "

They gentleman who made that statement is a civilian advisor to the Pentagon. He is not an administration official, or any sort of government official at all, so no, he is not stating the policy of the White House.
 
2003-02-05 9:32:12 AM  
France will come to its senses when its ass gets caught in a sling....again.
 
2003-02-05 9:32:13 AM  
So when the US decides to bomb iraq without UN consent and nobody helps them.. will the rest of us not be allies anymore?
 
2003-02-05 9:32:28 AM  
BritneysSpecululm:
What a wonderfully graphic username. Excuse me, I need to go wash now.
 
2003-02-05 9:32:37 AM  
Johnc98,


That is the best analogy I've seen in a long time... hehe. skanky 45 year-old women. Sweet.

Scotto
 
2003-02-05 9:32:38 AM  
I'm scared that the highest ranking civilian in the pentagon sees a war with Iraq as a certainty. France is trying to help keep the global economy out of the toilet through pacifism that I applaud. When will the whiny biatches in the american government learn that we should worry about whats going on inside our borders rather than whats happening on the other side of Earth?
 
pr2
2003-02-05 9:34:02 AM  
BON VOYAGE! Veggieguy
 
2003-02-05 9:34:35 AM  
Hmm maybe I won't join the French Foreign Legion after all...
 
2003-02-05 9:34:38 AM  
Here's some 'revisionist' history for the American History books...

France yells for 10 years in 1930s "Germany is re-arming...live up to the Versailles Treaty...help us stop Germany!". US tells France to FARK off..literally. Germany then goes on to conquer Europe, France figures they're on our own and negotiates Vichy Government. Americans make fun of France surrendering for the next 50 years. America after waking up 10 years too late gets invovled, saves the world after Britain uses the remnants of its empire to stall Germany, and achieves pretty much exlucisve Super Power status post war.

France is a small country. It has the GDP of California. But the fact that they're intelligent enough to say that "we have to have better reasons that 'Saddam is a bad man' to invade a foreign country" will be blatanty overlooked...no, its much easier to repeat tired stereotypes to discredit an alternative viewpoint to the US.

/flame off
 
2003-02-05 9:35:06 AM  
"I'm scared that the highest ranking civilian in the pentagon sees a war with Iraq as a certainty. France is trying to help keep the global economy out of the toilet through pacifism that I applaud."

French Pacifism = Please don't invade Iraq and find all zee stuff we've been selling Saddam behind everyone's backs.

Applause!
 
2003-02-05 9:35:08 AM  
So this is the diplomatic equivalent of "Hey France! Go fvck yourself!"
 
2003-02-05 9:35:22 AM  
How many Frenchmen does it take to defend France?

Nobody knows, they've never tried.

/drum roll
 
2003-02-05 9:35:45 AM  
Good Farkin' riddance. Does this mean we don't have to liberate their asses and build up their economy like we did in WWII?
 
2003-02-05 9:36:10 AM  
man... i think its pretty wrong to abandond them after they cam and liberated out country in world war two, and then had millions of their young men killed trying to solve our decades of bumbling, violent arrogance in vietnam.

oh wait, got that backwards.

cheese eating surrender monkeys, all of them.
 
2003-02-05 9:36:19 AM  
Well fark. I picked the wrong language to learn.
La france renonce.
 
2003-02-05 9:36:25 AM  
In a perfect world, we would invade France, and enact a number of laws for the benefit of humor. I decree that every person of French descent must wear a black and white striped shirt, a beret, and when applicable, laugh with the stereotypical snort/grunt.

We could also have a annual "Marathon de France" in which several German divisions chase the entire population across the country.
 
2003-02-05 9:36:29 AM  
02-05-03 09:30:33 AM Zenmaster

Perfect analogy.

Vive la France.
 
2003-02-05 9:36:41 AM  
Senior Bush officials is planning invasion to disarm this rogue nation France. What is it? 73% of US citizens agree that we should not go to war without the UN. What traitors. ;)
 
2003-02-05 9:37:22 AM  
To me it seems as if the French government has taken the attitude that Dubya took went he came into office. Like so much of Bush's policies until 9/11 were simply "not Clinton" or "Clinton bad, me good", it seems like Chirac et al. have taken a "Not the US" attitude. This can serve as a good thing- like a loyal opposition playing devil's advocate pointing out the weaknesses and deficiencies in your policy but they don't seem to be operating on that. They don't seem to be offering much in the way of an alternative. There is rightfully a lot of talk among them- Chirac, Schroder (Maybe I could find the alt code for an umlaut and look cool) and the other "Old Europeans" about things like human rights, but those aren't ends in and of themselves, they are means.

They do serve a valid function as a sort of Super Ego to the American Id- moderating our extreme tendencies to just bomb the hell out of whoever is currently a thorn in our side. But they don't redirect that into any other options. There is a big difference between "Don't do that" and "Do this instead".
 
2003-02-05 9:38:04 AM  
Perhaps eating snails has a similar effect to licking toads.
hrm.
 
2003-02-05 9:38:22 AM  
"Go away before I taunt you some more."
 
2003-02-05 9:38:44 AM  
France is simply an ally with whoever occupies their territory at any given time.

The simple solution is to move in, but what do they have that we'd actually want?
 
2003-02-05 9:38:49 AM  
Nabb1: We're lucky he isn't.
However, CNN/FOX/et all will no doubt turn this into our declaration of World War III.

 
2003-02-05 9:38:51 AM  
Nuke 'em, yes...But save the vineyards.
 
2003-02-05 9:39:01 AM  
You ever wonder where they got the idea to make Pepe Le PEW French!?

[image from dragg.net too old to be available]
 
2003-02-05 9:39:09 AM  
France is either hitting the pipe pretty hard or is vying for an angle. I can't fathom that France has any real love for Saddam Hussein. I expect this posturing will carry on for a little while, at least until France gets the concessions it wants from the U.S., probably in the form of removing that ridiculous steel tariff and backing off on some other subsidies. Of course, this is the same country that refused to allow our F-111s to even fly through their airspace on their way from Germany to drop some bombs on Qhaddafi in Libya. I do recall a mistake, possible fatigue-related, that resulted in a stray bomb hitting the French embassy in Libya (no one was there and no one was hurt). So, maybe the won't back off.

The fact that Texas has a bigger economy than a permanent member of the Security Counsel is just laughable, too.
 
2003-02-05 9:40:15 AM  
I got this timely email today...

You gotta love the USMC... From a Marine in Bosnia.

(Note the signature, but read it last...)

A funny thing happened to me yesterday at Camp Bondsteel (Bosnia):

A French army officer walked up to me in the PX, and told me he
thought we (Americans) were a bunch of cowboys and were going to provoke a war.
He said if such a thing happens, we wouldn't be able to count on the
support of France.

I told him that it didn't surprise me. Since we had come to France's
rescue in World War I, World War II, Vietnam, and the Cold War, their
ingratitude and jealousy was due to surface at some point in the near
future anyway. That is why France is a third-rate military power with
asocialist economy and a bunch of wimps for soldiers.

I additionally told him that America, being a nation of deeds and
action, not words, would do whatever it had to do, and France's support was
only for show anyway. Just like in ALL NATO exercises, the US would
shoulder 85% of the burden, as evidenced by the fact that the French officer
was shopping in the American PX, and not the other way around.

He began to get belligerent at that point, and I told him if he would
like to, I would meet him outside in front of the Burger King and beat his
ass in front of the entire Multi-National Brigade East, thus
demonstrating that even the smallest American had more fight in him than the
average Frenchman.

He called me a barbarian cowboy and walked away in a huff.

With friends like these, who needs enemies?

Mary Beth Johnson

LtCol, USMC

PS France is only good for two things:
Champagne and surrendering!
 
2003-02-05 9:40:34 AM  
Mostly Hobbes around here I think. We need more Kants. Good on you France.
 
2003-02-05 9:40:51 AM  
"Can't remember when they were an ally"

Like the time they saved our asses during the Revolutionary War? Anyone?
 
2003-02-05 9:41:03 AM  
of course france isn't our ally. but that doesn't mean they are an enemy either. so everyone just take a deep breath.
 
2003-02-05 9:41:19 AM  
France realizes that the war on terror isn't the same as Gulf War 2.0? Well, merde! They can't be our friends anymore.
 
2003-02-05 9:42:03 AM  
too bad they make such damn good wine...they haven't been an American ally since the U.S. went to help them in French IndoChina (aka Vietnam) and left them holding the bag. Nothing new on that front. Other notable exports are the baguette and hirsute females...they do have a certain je ne c'est qua.
 
2003-02-05 9:42:49 AM  
Q. Why are the streets of France lined with trees?

A. So the German soldiers can march in the shade.

bastards.
 
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