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2009-03-28 2:48:34 AM  
and here I was, thinking that free speech still existed in WaOH GOD

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2009-03-28 2:49:29 AM  
well, I ruined that in a tragic way.
 
2009-03-28 2:51:48 AM  
RREEPPEEAATT
 
2009-03-28 2:56:02 AM  
Very simple .
If you can't say it in FARK
you can't say it in Walmart.

that said

F-words
Underscore
Certain
Koncepts
 
2009-03-28 2:59:05 AM  
FATWA!!
 
2009-03-28 2:59:45 AM  

EngineerBob: Very simple .
If you can't say it in FARK
you can't say it in Walmart.

that said

F-words
Underscore
Certain
Koncepts


Boobies.
 
2009-03-28 3:01:33 AM  
Once upon a midnight dreary, while I websurfed, weak and weary,
Over many a strange and spurious website of 'hot chicks galore',
While I clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning,
And my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour.
"'Tis not possible," I muttered, "give me back my cheap hardcore!" -
Quoth the server, "404".
 
2009-03-28 3:03:10 AM  
In my small way, I totally boycott Walmart.

My sister, a truly hardworking, bonafide chick, got injured in the line of duty at Walmart. After three years of being treated like a criminal malingerer, and fighting to get treatment so she could work - live a normal life - she got a 68 grand (before taxes) payout from Workers Comp ... Octobiatch got in excess of 6 figures and she paid for very expensive IVF and plastic surgery and her nails...how? A psych nurse is not making that much (twice what the WC payout is) My hardworking sis is 47% disabled, and WANTS to work....and Octobiatch gets a huge payout and uses it to spawn more tax-suckers?

Wrong. My mind reels. Worker's Comp fraud, at the very least.

WalMart is evil in my book. They screwed my hard working sister. I'll not spend a dime with them if I can help it. And that same system gives Octomom disposable cash.
 
2009-03-28 3:06:42 AM  

damageddude: using the "F-word" in public places is starting to get Houston-area residents handcuffed or arrested.

Unfarking believable. Someone in legal really needs to read and describe the First Amendment to the Houston police department. Dropping the F bomb is generally a protected form of free speech.

/Whether the person dropping the f bomb in public, even after being asked to stop, deserves what he or she gets is another matter.


Actually someone need to explain the first ammendment to you. Your rights end where the other person's begin. Don't make me use the poly-sci 101 example of screaming fire in a crowded theater to you.
 
2009-03-28 3:13:55 AM  

damageddude: using the "F-word" in public places is starting to get Houston-area residents handcuffed or arrested.

Unfarking believable. Someone in legal really needs to read and describe the First Amendment to the Houston police department. Dropping the F bomb is generally a protected form of free speech.


Actually, there are exceptions to the freedom of speech clause. One of them being for obscenity.

"There are exceptions to the general protection of speech, however, including the Miller test for obscenity..."

Part of said Miller test:
"Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest."

I'd say 'fark' is obscene by that definition, whether or not we disagree.
 
2009-03-28 3:19:06 AM  
Foul language ordinances are both unconstitutional (on a fundamental level) and asinine.

Seriously, folks. What are kids in danger of hearing at a supermarket that they haven't already heard on the bus from the foul-mouthed scruffy kid who's parents don't really give a crap? Not all children are as innocent as you wish yours would stay.

It's the English language, and your snowflakes won't stay precious forever. You can find worse things to protect them from than an errant F-Bomb or two. But instead, official resources were used in this wasteful arrest, and whoever this poor schmo is now has one of the most laughable-yet-unnecessary criminal records in modern history.

We're humans, not Puritans. Get over yourselves.
 
2009-03-28 3:19:15 AM  

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: legrandbatard: I guess the bandwidth is NOT bigger in Texas

The internet has to share the tubes with the oil down there. Gets messy.


I thought sharing the tubes was die schoenste Freude
 
2009-03-28 3:20:51 AM  
PEOPLE!1

/dnrtfa

//hostJP "Actually someone need to" esplainnnn to you that saying the F word en de Walmart don't actually hurt anyone, while the "poly-sci 101 example of screaming fire in a crowded theater" could actually cause harm to an (or many) individual(s). Therein lies the distinction. Simply saying the F word isn't going to cause a farking stampede in a god damn walmart, You farkin' god damn idiot.

///sticks and stones. esplain the farking word to your farking kids. they won't go to hell if you do.
 
2009-03-28 3:21:50 AM  

freetomato: In my small way, I totally boycott Walmart.

My sister, a truly hardworking, bonafide chick, got injured in the line of duty at Walmart. After three years of being treated like a criminal malingerer, and fighting to get treatment so she could work - live a normal life - she got a 68 grand (before taxes) payout from Workers Comp ... Octobiatch got in excess of 6 figures and she paid for very expensive IVF and plastic surgery and her nails...how? A psych nurse is not making that much (twice what the WC payout is) My hardworking sis is 47% disabled, and WANTS to work....and Octobiatch gets a huge payout and uses it to spawn more tax-suckers?

Wrong. My mind reels. Worker's Comp fraud, at the very least.

WalMart is evil in my book. They screwed my hard working sister. I'll not spend a dime with them if I can help it. And that same system gives Octomom disposable cash.


It is not workers comp. fraud, it is the california legal system that keeps Octomom flush with cash. They're all about socialism and sharing the wealth.
 
2009-03-28 3:27:33 AM  
ricodued

How about my lawyer at trial argues that saying the word "fark" isn't a "work." Suppose, in the context I use it, in the walmart, it is an "excited utterance." Then what?

I'm pretty sure I win that one when it goes to trial. And at least if I don't, I know I should have.
 
2009-03-28 3:32:15 AM  

RMelon: PEOPLE!1

/dnrtfa

//hostJP "Actually someone need to" esplainnnn to you that saying the F word en de Walmart don't actually hurt anyone, while the "poly-sci 101 example of screaming fire in a crowded theater" could actually cause harm to an (or many) individual(s). Therein lies the distinction. Simply saying the F word isn't going to cause a farking stampede in a god damn walmart, You farkin' god damn idiot.

///sticks and stones. esplain the farking word to your farking kids. they won't go to hell if you do.


I'm not saying I agree. Actually I think the whole thing is farking r-word... (he he he). Me calling someone wdown about their language is about as bas a preist carring on about a pedophile. It just kills me when people contort the Constitution to fit whatever they are talking about. In my defense, in the eyes of some parents, their child hearing the f-word can cause damage. See thats the point... Nice job failing... Farker!!!
 
2009-03-28 3:35:01 AM  

ricodued: damageddude: using the "F-word" in public places is starting to get Houston-area residents handcuffed or arrested.

Unfarking believable. Someone in legal really needs to read and describe the First Amendment to the Houston police department. Dropping the F bomb is generally a protected form of free speech.


Actually, there are exceptions to the freedom of speech clause. One of them being for obscenity.

"There are exceptions to the general protection of speech, however, including the Miller test for obscenity..."

Part of said Miller test:
"Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest."

I'd say 'fark' is obscene by that definition, whether or not we disagree.


It's not obscene. Obscenity laws cover stuff like child porn or scat porn.

You can say "fark" in public, you can give the finger to police officers, none of that is obscene.

This dickhead wasn't even a cop, he's an assistant fire marshal. Talk about a power-tripping asshole.
 
2009-03-28 3:35:14 AM  

RMelon: PEOPLE!1

/dnrtfa

//hostJP "Actually someone need to" esplainnnn to you that saying the F word en de Walmart don't actually hurt anyone, while the "poly-sci 101 example of screaming fire in a crowded theater" could actually cause harm to an (or many) individual(s). Therein lies the distinction. Simply saying the F word isn't going to cause a farking stampede in a god damn walmart, You farkin' god damn idiot.

///sticks and stones. esplain the farking word to your farking kids. they won't go to hell if you do.


Not all harm is physical. Everyone has a different line that they feel others shouldn't cross. Due to that, the government has to draw this 'line' for everyone. (i.e. laws and codes of conduct). Obviously, those on one side will always feel that it's too far and those on the other side will feel that it's not far enough.

If you disagree on where this line is located, you should engage in discourse with your local and federal government officials to get it changed, or you can wait for the inevitable fluctuations in society's moral compass and hope the line moves in the direction that you prefer.

I'll assume you are in the 'the line is too far' camp. Personally, I'm fine with the way things are, but I also pay attention to my surroundings and know when to shut the fark up when cursing may be frowned upon and filters aren't available to shut me the fark up.
 
2009-03-28 3:38:07 AM  

Goldeneye007: freetomato: In my small way, I totally boycott Walmart.

My sister, a truly hardworking, bonafide chick, got injured in the line of duty at Walmart. After three years of being treated like a criminal malingerer, and fighting to get treatment so she could work - live a normal life - she got a 68 grand (before taxes) payout from Workers Comp ... Octobiatch got in excess of 6 figures and she paid for very expensive IVF and plastic surgery and her nails...how? A psych nurse is not making that much (twice what the WC payout is) My hardworking sis is 47% disabled, and WANTS to work....and Octobiatch gets a huge payout and uses it to spawn more tax-suckers?

Wrong. My mind reels. Worker's Comp fraud, at the very least.

WalMart is evil in my book. They screwed my hard working sister. I'll not spend a dime with them if I can help it. And that same system gives Octomom disposable cash.

It is not workers comp. fraud, it is the california legal system that keeps Octomom flush with cash. They're all about socialism and sharing the wealth.


I feel quite infuriated with the octopussy as well-- I'm holding off on having children because I don't think I have enough income to provide a successful future for them. But then again...

I guess your sis should have gone this route instead:

1) Spawn a litter
2) apply for disability and large-brood benefits (the mysterious step # 2 is no longer a secret)
3) Profit!
 
2009-03-28 3:38:11 AM  

hostJP: RMelon: PEOPLE!1

/dnrtfa

//hostJP "Actually someone need to" esplainnnn to you that saying the F word en de Walmart don't actually hurt anyone, while the "poly-sci 101 example of screaming fire in a crowded theater" could actually cause harm to an (or many) individual(s). Therein lies the distinction. Simply saying the F word isn't going to cause a farking stampede in a god damn walmart, You farkin' god damn idiot.

///sticks and stones. esplain the farking word to your farking kids. they won't go to hell if you do.

I'm not saying I agree. Actually I think the whole thing is farking r-word... (he he he). Me calling someone wdown about their language is about as bas a preist carring on about a pedophile. It just kills me when people contort the Constitution to fit whatever they are talking about. In my defense, in the eyes of some parents, their child hearing the f-word can cause damage. See thats the point... Nice job failing... Farker!!!


Oh yeah I do have experience in this. Did radio for nine years. A group of us too the same argument to the FCC. See my above statement for the FCC's reply.
 
2009-03-28 3:39:37 AM  
assistant Fire-marshall
what a pencildick!
 
2009-03-28 3:40:00 AM  
Also, forgive my typos tonight. Busy at work. Farking between guests. (use your own mental image)
 
2009-03-28 3:41:00 AM  
hostJP

dude, you may convince one parent that it's damaging, but you're not going to convince a 12 member jury-of-peers that the f-word causes damages beyond a preponderance of evidence. the fact that you know what it is, know what it means, and know what it can stand for is perfect evidence that it didn't fark you up so bad that you couldn't use a computer, pursue happiness, and furthermore construct a well reasoned (though imo wrong) opinion.

/and i'm out.
 
2009-03-28 3:42:32 AM  
Uhhh, no as you citizens of Farkistan know quite well, giving the finger to a cop is a citable offense.

Too lazy to google it myself. Some Supreme Court case, bird flipper lost.
 
2009-03-28 3:44:09 AM  

RMelon: hostJP

dude, you may convince one parent that it's damaging, but you're not going to convince a 12 member jury-of-peers that the f-word causes damages beyond a preponderance of evidence. the fact that you know what it is, know what it means, and know what it can stand for is perfect evidence that it didn't fark you up so bad that you couldn't use a computer, pursue happiness, and furthermore construct a well reasoned (though imo wrong) opinion.

/and i'm out.


Not a felony. No jury trial. You and da' Judge. In Texas, F-Word in Wal-Mart gets your the Firing Squad.
 
2009-03-28 3:44:18 AM  
ricodued: Actually, there are exceptions to the freedom of speech clause. One of them being for obscenity.

"There are exceptions to the general protection of speech, however, including the Miller test for obscenity..."

Part of said Miller test:
"Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest."

I'd say 'fark' is obscene by that definition, whether or not we disagree.

You're wrong. Completely. There are no obscene words. Miller applies to imagery.

damageddude: Whether the person dropping the f bomb in public, even after being asked to stop, deserves what he or she gets is another matter.

That's just illogical. First you say everyone is up in arms about F-bombs, then you imply she may have got what she deserved?

hostJP: Actually someone need to explain the first ammendment to you. Your rights end where the other person's begin. Don't make me use the poly-sci 101 example of screaming fire in a crowded theater to you.

Don't make me use the PoliSci Grad Seminar in Con Law example of how you do not enjoy a "right" to stifle expression simply because you're offended by language you can hear in any R rated movie.

/Boycott Wal-Mart.
//Kick the shiat out of fire Captains who attempt to arrest you.
///Problem solved.
 
2009-03-28 3:44:35 AM  

freetomato: In my small way, I totally boycott Walmart.

My sister, a truly hardworking, bonafide chick, got injured in the line of duty at Walmart. After three years of being treated like a criminal malingerer, and fighting to get treatment so she could work - live a normal life - she got a 68 grand (before taxes) payout from Workers Comp ... Octobiatch got in excess of 6 figures and she paid for very expensive IVF and plastic surgery and her nails...how? A psych nurse is not making that much (twice what the WC payout is) My hardworking sis is 47% disabled, and WANTS to work....and Octobiatch gets a huge payout and uses it to spawn more tax-suckers?

Wrong. My mind reels. Worker's Comp fraud, at the very least.

WalMart is evil in my book. They screwed my hard working sister. I'll not spend a dime with them if I can help it. And that same system gives Octomom disposable cash.


Yeah, fark WalMart. Not shopping there only does so much. The best thing to do IMO is return stuff that you didn't buy there. They will take anything. Then use the store credit to buy some video games. There's hardly any markup on video games so it's just that much worse for them. Anything else you buy there will surely be laced with lead paint or GSB. For gods sake, don't buy produce.
 
2009-03-28 3:45:35 AM  

hostJP: Actually someone need to explain the first ammendment to you. Your rights end where the other person's begin. Don't make me use the poly-sci 101 example of screaming fire in a crowded theater to you.


10/-10

See me after class.
 
2009-03-28 3:46:43 AM  
James Inman approves (new window/NSFW)
 
2009-03-28 3:49:28 AM  
Farking HTML failure...

ricodued: Actually, there are exceptions to the freedom of speech clause. One of them being for obscenity.

"There are exceptions to the general protection of speech, however, including the Miller test for obscenity..."

Part of said Miller test:
"Whether the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest."

I'd say 'fark' is obscene by that definition, whether or not we disagree.


You're wrong. Completely. There are no obscene words. Miller applies to imagery.

damageddude: Whether the person dropping the f bomb in public, even after being asked to stop, deserves what he or she gets is another matter.

That's just illogical. First you say everyone is up in arms about F-bombs, then you imply she may have got what she deserved?

hostJP: Actually someone need to explain the first ammendment to you. Your rights end where the other person's begin. Don't make me use the poly-sci 101 example of screaming fire in a crowded theater to you.

Don't make me use the PoliSci Grad Seminar in Con Law example of how you do not enjoy a "right" to stifle expression simply because you're offended by language you can hear in any R rated movie.

/Boycott Wal-Mart.
//Kick the shiat out of fire Captains who attempt to arrest you.
///Problem solved.
 
2009-03-28 3:50:11 AM  
I'm in favor of this biatch of a woman. Freedom is freedom, especially for the most wretched of us. By advocating for hers, I protect my own.
 
2009-03-28 3:54:57 AM  
Free speech ends when you are saying things that will cause potential physical harm to people. Such as yelling fire in a crowded theater, there is a danger that people will panic, push people down, people may be trampled. Saying that walmart is out of farking batteries and one person drunk on his power calls you out on it is not a danger or threat to people's safety. Just because you said something that upset someone doesn't mean you no longer have second amendment protection. Your words have not caused a massive danger to other people, it just pissed them off. People need to grow a thicker skin and stop running to the government to protect them. If you don't like something, tell the person who did the offending act and deal with the consequences, or just write it off and leave it be. The government and laws don't exist to validate your prudishness.
 
2009-03-28 3:55:33 AM  
Found it!!!

ATWATER et al. v. CITY OF LAGO VISTA et al.


certiorari to the united states court of appeals for the fifth circuit


No. 99-1408. Argued December 4, 2000--Decided April 24, 2001

(a) In reading the Fourth Amendment, the Court is guided by the traditional protections against unreasonable searches and seizures afforded by the common law at the time of the framing. E.g., Wilson v. Arkansas, 514 U. S. 927, 931. Atwater contends that founding-era common-law rules forbade officers to make warrantless misdemeanor arrests except in cases of "breach of the peace," a category she claims was then understood narrowly as covering only those nonfelony offenses involving or tending toward violence. Although this argument is not insubstantial, it ultimately fails. Pp. 4-24.


(1) Even after making some allowance for variations in the prefounding English common-law usage of "breach of the peace," the founding-era common-law rules were not nearly as clear as Atwater claims. Pp. 5-14.


(i) A review of the relevant English decisions, as well as English and colonial American legal treatises, legal dictionaries, and procedure manuals, demonstrates disagreement, not unanimity, with respect to officers' warrantless misdemeanor arrest power. On one side, eminent authorities support Atwater's position that the common law confined warrantless misdemeanor arrests to actual breaches of the peace. See, e.g., Queen v. Tooley, 2 Ld. Raym. 1296, 1301, 92 Eng. Rep. 349, 352. However, there is also considerable evidence of a broader conception of common-law misdemeanor arrest authority unlimited by any breach-of-the-peace condition. See, e.g., Holyday v. Oxenbridge, Cro. Car. 234, 79 Eng. Rep. 805, 805-806; 2 M. Hale, The History of the Pleas of the Crown 88. Thus, the Court is not convinced that Atwater's is the correct, or even necessarily the better, reading of the common-law history. Pp. 6-11.


(ii) A second, and equally serious, problem for Atwater's historical argument is posed by various statutes enacted by Parliament well before this Republic's founding that authorized peace officers (and even private persons) to make warrantless arrests for all sorts of relatively minor offenses unaccompanied by violence, including, among others, nightwalking, unlawful game-playing, profane cursing, and negligent carriage-driving. Pp. 11-14.

Link (new window)

 
2009-03-28 3:55:58 AM  
^Bah, first amendment protection.
 
2009-03-28 3:58:00 AM  

Vern: Just because you said something that upset someone doesn't mean you no longer have second amendment protection.


If you say something to upset people around here, you'd better have second amendment protection 'cause they'll bust a cap in your ass.

/The bibles are worn from the thumpin'
//not the readin'
 
2009-03-28 3:59:21 AM  
hostJP"

"Not a felony. No jury trial. You and da' Judge. In Texas, F-Word in Wal-Mart gets your the Firing Squad."

please see the 6th amendment. if i have been arrested in this case, it's because i have broken some obscure TX criminal statute which probably states that swear words, whether they harm others or not, are unholy and injurious per se, not because i have caused provable injury to someone.
therefore, i get my jury trial in federal court whether you like it or not. then, if they want to, the 5th circut can decide my fate on appeal, and be laughed at by the rest of the country if i lose.

/really. i'm done. i'll check this in the morning.
 
2009-03-28 3:59:48 AM  

taoistlumberjak: James Inman approves (new window/NSFW)


Win! And for others, it only NSFW if you have sensitive colleagues within earshot.

/ Only the servers to keep me company
 
2009-03-28 4:04:19 AM  

thinks_on_feet: Farking HTML failure...


Don't make me use the PoliSci Grad Seminar in Con Law example of how you do not enjoy a "right" to stifle expression simply because you're offended by language you can hear in any R rated movie.

/Boycott Wal-Mart.
//Kick the shiat out of fire Captains who attempt to arrest you.
///Problem solved.


That's the point completely. R-Rated movie. You choose to attend an R-Rated movie. It is clearly marked as R-Rated. Wal-Mart does not have a sign on the door that says, don't bring Snowflake in here. Bubba's dropping F-Bombs. The point is I could care less. I'm just explaning that this type of case has been all the way through the legal system time and time again and the law has always held.
 
2009-03-28 4:06:55 AM  
Of course this happened in Texas. What do you expect from a state that cares how many dildos you own?

Let's see... we could Texas back to Mexico, Florida back to Spain, the rest of the Bible Belt back to France, restart nuclear testing in Utah... Yeah. It just might work!
 
2009-03-28 4:09:26 AM  

Ed Grubermann:

Let's see... we could

[give] Texas back to Mexico, Florida back to Spain, the rest of the Bible Belt back to France, restart nuclear testing in Utah... Yeah. It just might work!

/fark, farkity, fark-fark-fark.
 
2009-03-28 4:16:02 AM  
Free speech or not, dropping f-bombs in public is the trashiest form of white trash there is. It's called having just a little bit of class. I'm no prude and use my share of dirty words when I'm with the people that I know are the same. When in public I use good manners.
 
2009-03-28 4:18:05 AM  
Same statute that allow BS sexual harrasment cases. I could walk up to anyone, say a statemen containg the word fark and be fired for offending them.
 
2009-03-28 4:18:51 AM  

That's the point completely. R-Rated movie. You choose to attend an R-Rated movie. It is clearly marked as R-Rated. Wal-Mart does not have a sign on the door that says, don't bring Snowflake in here. Bubba's dropping F-Bombs. The point is I could care less. I'm just explaning that this type of case has been all the way through the legal system time and time again and the law has always held.


Spaceballs is PG.

But, by all means, keep firing, asshole!
 
2009-03-28 4:26:17 AM  

Ed Grubermann: Of course this happened in Texas. What do you expect from a state that cares how many dildos you own?

Let's see... we could Texas back to Mexico, Florida back to Spain, the rest of the Bible Belt back to France, restart nuclear testing in Utah... Yeah. It just might work!


In case you were curious, the Texas Board of Education just voted to require all scientific evidence regarding the origin of man to be taught in public schools. Basically, it means that they can now tell the kids that 'Darwin may or may not have been right, but here's the story behind him and what he said' without fear of legal repercussions from religious groups towards school systems.

The chairman of the Board of education had this to say about the ruling: "Science loses. Texas loses, and the kids lose because of this." He was not in favor of teaching kids about the possibility of an evolutionary origin what with him being a devout creationist. State Board of Education. Chairman.

That... is the kind of battle that woman was riding into if those charges hadn't been dropped.


About the dildo thing... I was watching the evening news a few years back when they had live coverage of some strip clubs being raided by the Lubbock vice squad (yea, they have a vice squad. I didn't know that either.) Apparently, it is against the law to display for sale more than one of any type of dildo. Extra dildo stock has to be located out of customer sight. The cops were hauling boxes of stuff out of the clubs when one cop walks directly towards the camera man to the vice van behind the cameraman. Several of those super duper long double-ended dilrods were sticking halfway out the top of the box bouncing merrily to and fro as he walked by. Heh. :D
 
2009-03-28 4:30:15 AM  
We must protect children from hearing the words that they probably say all the time at school.
 
2009-03-28 4:38:35 AM  
Fark is only offensive if you know what it means. If you know what it means then your old enough to hear it. Also there is a difference between "They're out of farking batteries", "Fark you!" and "I want to fark your tight farking fark-hole." Only one of these is sexual harassment in my book.
 
2009-03-28 4:40:17 AM  

damageddude: using the "F-word" in public places is starting to get Houston-area residents handcuffed or arrested.

Unfarking believable. Someone in legal really needs to read and describe the First Amendment to the Houston police department. Dropping the F bomb is generally a protected form of free speech.

/Whether the person dropping the f bomb in public, even after being asked to stop, deserves what he or she gets is another matter.


someone needs to understand that freedom of speech is not absolute.

this is a bit ridiculous however.
 
2009-03-28 4:43:46 AM  
An assistant fire marshal can handcuff people and issue citations that do not have anything to do with fires? I would have a bigger problem with this than the guy telling me to watch my mouth.
 
2009-03-28 4:58:11 AM  
Asst. Fire Marshal
DEFINITION:
Under supervision of the Fire Marshal, the Assistant Fire Marshal is responsible for planning and conducting public fire education programs, assists in monitoring local compliance with applicable state and local regulations and nationally recognized fire protection standards.
IMPORTANT AND ESSENTIAL DUTIES:
Performs safety inspections of schools, rest homes, residences, hospitals, churches, industrial and commercial buildings, sprinkler systems, and hazardous materials and other fire hazards; assists in the investigation of fires to determine origin and cause; investigates and requires correction of violations of state and local codes and ordinances pertaining to fire prevention; develops and conducts fire prevention education programs; keeps records of buildings inspected and action taken; checks building plans; provides technical information to the public concerning fire prevention; assists fire company personnel in code interpretation, training and fire inspections; gives emergency medical treatment when required; assists in fire suppression activities; and performs related duties as required.
JOB-RELATED QUALIFICATIONS:
Knowledge, Skills and Abilities:
Knowledge of: the principles, practices, techniques, and equipment used in fire suppression activities and emergency medical treatment; knowledge of all types of occupancies, local and state laws, and code regulations; knowledge of and ability to analyze building construction, fire protection systems, and their proper application.
Ability to: write clear, concise reports and to keep accurate records; ability to prepare and make effective oral fire information presentations and reports to Department and City staff and to community groups; ability to demonstrate physical endurance, agility, dexterity and strength necessary to perform required duties; ability to think and act quickly in emergency situations, and take or recommend appropriate course of action; and ability to work effectively with the public, Fire Department personnel, and other City staff.
EDUCATION AND TRAINING GUIDELINES:
Any combination equivalent to experience and education that could likely provide the required knowledge, skills and abilities would be qualifying. A typical way would be:
Education: Graduation from High School or equivalent and possession of 30 Fire Science units or state certification as a fire officer. The successful candidate must possess the following certifications at time of appointment: Fire Prevention 1A, Fire Prevention 1B, Instructor 1A, Instructor 1B, Investigator 1, valid California Class C license.
Experience: Five years of full-time paid experience in a fire department as a firefighter, fire captain, fire inspector or a combination thereof.
LICENSES, CERTIFICATES, REGISTRATION:
Licenses: Possession of a valid Class II California Driver's License.
SALARY: $8,750 - $10,636 per month

Nothing here about cuffing and issuing citations for public cursing...but that salary thing...hmmmm might have to see about becoming one.
 
2009-03-28 5:23:35 AM  
I don't understand why people drop the "F bomb" indiscriminately. Why are they out of 'F'ing' batteries? Is it being used as an adjective? Are the batteries copulating or something? If the batteries WERE copulating, they probably would not have run out of them.
 
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