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		Obama: "Can we talk?" Iran: "Drop dead, infidel." France: "See? Just proves the Bush Doctrine was a failure" (breitbart.com)		330
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GoDeep

2009-02-03 12:43:17 PM

Mordant

2009-02-03 12:49:50 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Not exactly the answer most moonbats expected, I'll wager.

I doubt anyone expected talking to Iran to be any easier than talking to... someone like you, for example.

absoluteparanoia

2009-02-03 1:03:04 PM

There's few things more obnoxious than ventriloquist comedians.

bradkanus

2009-02-03 1:03:12 PM

wait a second... are you saying that Iran hates all Americans equally, not just Republicans?

No way.

Welcome to the party, friends.

GAT_00

2009-02-03 1:04:50 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Not exactly the answer most moonbats expected, I'll wager.

Uh, your president spent 8 years yelling loudly he was going to beat the fark out of them. Sudden change to a guy who actually wants to talk to them and you know, act like an American leader should. Iran is acting pretty much like a woman who leaves her abusive ex-husband/boyfriend.

Tastes Like Chicken

2009-02-03 1:06:11 PM

In what respect, Charlie?

KaponoFor3

2009-02-03 1:09:01 PM

Where is there any reference to France in that article?

GoDeep

2009-02-03 1:09:20 PM

absoluteparanoia: There's few things more obnoxious than ventriloquist comedians.

Fooking clowns...mimes...politicians. But I repeat myself.

GAT_00

2009-02-03 1:14:20 PM

KaponoFor3: Where is there any reference to France in that article?

Ctrl-F found France a few times in the comments.

BobtheFascist

2009-02-03 1:14:31 PM

GAT_00: Iran is acting pretty much like a woman who leaves her abusive ex-husband/boyfriend.

The only difference I see between Bush & Obama is Obama is willing to sweet talk them a little before he pimp slaps them.

ragekage

2009-02-03 1:18:48 PM

Mordant: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Not exactly the answer most moonbats expected, I'll wager.

I doubt anyone expected talking to Iran to be any easier than talking to... someone like you, for example.

I was thinking, literally, the same thing.

I don't see the France reference, though... was Subby trying to be clever?

I think that this was inevitable. Ahmacrazyguy kept his power so effectively because of Bush; as I understand it, he's not really well liked, but when the US is talking about going in and kicking the shiat out of them, then he's got a useful wedge to drive between us. Kinda like how the Republicans use God and Guns to keep people voting for them. Now that Obama is in charge, the tone is changing, and I think he's probably getting desperate. You've seen Al Qaeda trying to rally ill will against Obama unsuccessfully already.

Lionel Mandrake

2009-02-03 1:20:27 PM

FARK has never been short on make-shiat-up BS headlines, but this is getting ridiculous...

Bayouguy

2009-02-03 1:23:41 PM

GoDeep: absoluteparanoia: There's few things more obnoxious than ventriloquist comedians.

Fooking clowns...mimes...politicians. But I repeat myself.

Carrot top?

///got nuthin'

KaponoFor3

2009-02-03 1:28:12 PM

Given how many stupid things that Ahmadinejad has said, and knowing that he really has no power, I have to wonder how much of what he says is tacitly approved of by the Council of Guardians and the Ayatollah.

Senescent Dawn

2009-02-03 1:33:17 PM

Clearly, the existence of obnoxious and hostile nations renders diplomacy useless. God forbid they insult us for being "weak" instead of insulting us for being "imperialist invaders."

Nobody expects Iran to be our best buddy. This is about P.R. and decency. Do you have any idea how much Bush has damaged America's standing in the world?

Code_Archeologist

2009-02-03 1:36:52 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Not exactly the answer most moonbats expected, I'll wager.

Actually, it is exactly the answer that was expected. With Iran suddenly doing an about face on their desire to have talks with the US, they are losing support among Muslim moderates which they had when they looked like the martyr being persecuted by the US.

Arab TV has begun to refer to Ahmadinejad in mocking tones... I don't see him lasting as President of Iran through his next election.

Sensei Can You See

2009-02-03 1:41:35 PM

KaponoFor3: Given how many stupid things that Ahmadinejad has said, and knowing that he really has no power, I have to wonder how much of what he says is tacitly approved of by the Council of Guardians and the Ayatollah.

Now why is that we criticize Bush for refusing to negotiate with this guy, then turn around and say he's just a powerless figurehead?

/can't have it both ways

Bloody William

2009-02-03 1:46:12 PM

Code_Archeologist: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Not exactly the answer most moonbats expected, I'll wager.

Actually, it is exactly the answer that was expected. With Iran suddenly doing an about face on their desire to have talks with the US, they are losing support among Muslim moderates which they had when they looked like the martyr being persecuted by the US.

Arab TV has begun to refer to Ahmadinejad in mocking tones... I don't see him lasting as President of Iran through his next election.

That is the key for Iran. The government might be against the US, but the country itself is full of relatively open-minded youths and 20-somethings sick of the theocracy they've been living under and looking for an alternative. We can either be leaders for the next generation and set an example by being peaceful, diplomatic, and offering an ideological alternative that will satisfy the new generation, or we can condemn Iran to another few decades of theocratic bullshiat by being total dicks to them.

brigid_fitch

2009-02-03 1:47:09 PM

I came in here to say pretty much the same.

Ahmadinejad & other Muslim leaders are having a tough time keeping the hate against us among their followers. It was easy to hate us when Bush was in office, much more difficult now that they see a new leader with a much different agenda & mentality. Ahmadinejad needs to cling to what little power he's got left and agreeing to meet with Obama after years of "America must die!" would make him look pathetic & weak.

/He'll probably still talk to Obama, but behind closed doors & we'll never hear about it.
//Ahmadinejad may be a radical nutjob, but he's not stupid

I_Love_Verdi

2009-02-03 1:47:39 PM

It's called "being the bigger person". Seems like Obama is willing to do that. It may not be possible to successfully negotiate with Iran, but I am very happy that he is trying.

brigid_fitch

2009-02-03 1:51:31 PM

You Can't Fix Stupid: KaponoFor3: Given how many stupid things that Ahmadinejad has said, and knowing that he really has no power, I have to wonder how much of what he says is tacitly approved of by the Council of Guardians and the Ayatollah.

Now why is that we criticize Bush for refusing to negotiate with this guy, then turn around and say he's just a powerless figurehead?

/can't have it both ways

He's not entirely powerless--I'd say he has as much loyal base as Bush did in the last months of his term. A minority, but still dangerous.

But I will continue to criticize Bush for not even trying to talk to the guy. Bush rattled his saber against Iran over and over again, giving Ahmadinejad plenty of ammunition to whip his people into a frenzy. In their eyes, Bush was the aggressor. Now Obama extends the olive branch and it gets slapped away. Now we've got the moral high ground and Ahmadinejad just looks like an idiot.

bulldg4life

2009-02-03 2:17:37 PM

You Can't Fix Stupid: Now why is that we criticize Bush for refusing to negotiate with this guy, then turn around and say he's just a powerless figurehead?

People bashed Bush for playing directly in to the idiotic propaganda that the US is a big bully not willing to negotiate or talk and would rather bomb Iran.

A few months/years ago, Iran was all about talking and discussing and debating (in fact, I believe Ahmadinejad said that very thing in front of the UN). Now that someone called the stupid bluff they used to build support in their own country...it's important for them to change their message to something else to build support in their own country.

keylock71

2009-02-03 2:52:35 PM

It's called, "Calling their bluff", and it's a much smarter move than Bush's sabre-rattling...

randomizetimer

2009-02-03 2:58:17 PM

Iran's riegning regime energizes their power base by being anti-American/anti-west.

Iran's response was not unanticipated.

The backroom diplomacy between the USA and Iran has always been around.

mediaho

2009-02-03 3:12:23 PM

Iran has used the U.S.'s refusal to talk with them as a means of garnering support among Iranians - "See? the big bad Americans won't talk to us! All they care about is war!" Now by the US offering talks, Iran is disarmed in the info war and their people will see it.

DarnoKonrad

2009-02-03 3:14:01 PM

Talking with Iran is a threat to its radicals within government. So yea, those that cling to power on fear of the United States will say stupid things.

Cue reactionaries:

3_Butt_Cheeks

2009-02-03 3:14:04 PM

GAT_00: Uh, your president spent 8 years yelling loudly he was going to beat the fark out of them.

Not really.

Militarily, Obama and Bush have the same policy on Iran. No nukes, at any cost, and openly acknowledging they sponsor terrorism.

TheGreatGildersleeve

2009-02-03 3:14:26 PM

and never took a military option to thwart Tehran's atomic drive off the table.

They developed an atomic drive?

Wow! The stars are ours!

DirkValentine

2009-02-03 3:15:14 PM

Iranian politicians frequently refer to the US administration as the "global arrogance", "domineering power" and "Great Satan".

well, i guess that if you're going to BE Satan, you might as well be the Great One...

wait, who the fark is the lesser? Canada?

what_now

2009-02-03 3:16:00 PM

randomizetimer: The backroom diplomacy between the USA and Iran has always been around.

"Who's Chet?"
"He's the new Phil"

/not obscure

Gated Community Organizer

2009-02-03 3:16:49 PM

brigid_fitch: Now we've got the moral high ground and Ahmadinejad just looks like an idiot.

We have always had the moral high ground though. Nothing, in reality, has changed morally.

Obama is learning that he had no idea what he was talking about when he was campaigning. Ahmadinejad will always look like an idiot.

ramathorn83

2009-02-03 3:17:33 PM

Fark will not tolerate your logic and facts, damnit!

TheGreatGildersleeve

2009-02-03 3:19:05 PM

I_Love_Verdi: It's called "being the bigger person". Seems like Obama is willing to do that. It may not be possible to successfully negotiate with Iran, but I am very happy that he is trying.

If nothing else, it proves that Iran is the intransigent militarist catastrophe-in-waiting that the chronic apologists and the anti-Semite/anti-Israel squad have spent at least the last 8 years denying it is.

toonz

2009-02-03 3:19:18 PM

A little reason and their radicals don't know what to do.

good PR move. makes them look like the assholes rather than playing into their hands.

Extending a hand in peace to your foe. I know, hard concept for the "Christian" Right to understand. If only there was a book available that might clarify this for them...

timujin

2009-02-03 3:19:42 PM

Code_Archeologist: Actually, it is exactly the answer that was expected. With Iran suddenly doing an about face on their desire to have talks with the US, they are losing support among Muslim moderates which they had when they looked like the martyr being persecuted by the US.

Arab TV has begun to refer to Ahmadinejad in mocking tones... I don't see him lasting as President of Iran through his next election.

This. Ahmadinejad is on his way out and he's still trying to hold up the U.S. as the bogey man in order to improve his standing among the Iranian people. "Look, they won't apologize for stuff that happened fifty years ago, those anti-Muslim, capitalist pigs!"

It appears to be working about as well as when McCain tried similar tactics, though.

Obama needs to reach out to the Ayatollah, not the president, that's where the power is.

Your Faith is Creepy

2009-02-03 3:20:26 PM

Gated Community Organizer: We have always had the moral high ground though. Nothing, in reality, has changed morally.

Except that we've stopped, you know, torturing people. And threatening preemptive war. And letting war profiteers run the government. But aside from that, yeah, we've always had the moral high ground! Yay Team America!

timujin

2009-02-03 3:20:38 PM

Darconix: Farking nuts. The lot of them.

Iranians or politicians?

Felgraf

2009-02-03 3:20:48 PM

ramathorn83: You Can't Fix Stupid: KaponoFor3: Given how many stupid things that Ahmadinejad has said, and knowing that he really has no power, I have to wonder how much of what he says is tacitly approved of by the Council of Guardians and the Ayatollah.

Now why is that we criticize Bush for refusing to negotiate with this guy, then turn around and say he's just a powerless figurehead?

/can't have it both ways

Fark will not tolerate your logic and facts, damnit!

Because by refusing to speak with him, we give the Iranian government a useful talking point and a wedge to keep him (and the rest of the far right of Iran) where they are?

I also recall people saying he had no *military* power, not that he had no powers 'at all'.

3_Butt_Cheeks

2009-02-03 3:21:11 PM

toonz: I know, hard concept for the "Christian" Right to understand. If only there was a book available that might clarify this for them...

Damn Christiand farking everything up again. Wait..I thought it was the Joos? The Zionists? The Gettys? Rothchilds? The Colonel???

Lord_Baull

2009-02-03 3:21:49 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks 2009-02-03 03:14:04 PM
Militarily, Obama and Bush have the same policy on Iran. No nukes, at any cost, and openly acknowledging they sponsor terrorism.

Diplomatically, which is the case here, they are on opposite sides of the spectrum.

Hideously Gigantic Smurf

2009-02-03 3:22:01 PM

"We won't talk to you until you give us our nukes back!"

"Well, we won't give you your nukes back until you talk to us. Now, guess which one of us can afford to wait longer?"

Shaggy_C

2009-02-03 3:22:07 PM

The new administration of Obama has also refused to rule out any options -- including military strikes -- to stop Tehran from acquiring a nuclear weapon.

Don't worry, Freepers. You'll likely get your bloodbath regardless.

HotWingConspiracy

2009-02-03 3:22:41 PM

Did we need additional proof?

Psylence

2009-02-03 3:22:54 PM

Hey Iran, we got rid of our asshole leader.

It's your turn now.

mediaho

2009-02-03 3:23:32 PM

Gated Community Organizer: We have always had the moral high ground though.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

nicksteel

2009-02-03 3:23:51 PM

Instead of complaining and worrying about their nuclear program, I say that we help them as much as we can. We should provide them with a few working samples of some nuclear weapons. A few in Tehran and sprinkle of few over the rest of the country, just to be sure.

3_Butt_Cheeks

2009-02-03 3:23:52 PM

Lord_Baull: 3_Butt_Cheeks 2009-02-03 03:14:04 PM
Militarily, Obama and Bush have the same policy on Iran. No nukes, at any cost, and openly acknowledging they sponsor terrorism.

Diplomatically, which is the case here, they are on opposite sides of the spectrum.

That is abundantly clear.

Doublespeak

2009-02-03 3:24:14 PM

Bush gave him power by doing what he did. AhmadinejaSquarePants won't have nearly the power trying to demonize the states now as he did under the Bush administration.

Hopefully, by showing the US isn't a 'demon' to them, AhmadinejaSquarePants won't be able to hold on to his power. On the other hand, if he does, at the very least we are now on the 'high road'.

Lord_Baull

2009-02-03 3:24:17 PM

Gated Community Organizer 2009-02-03 03:16:49 PM
brigid_fitch: Now we've got the moral high ground and Ahmadinejad just looks like an idiot.

We have always had the moral high ground though. Nothing, in reality, has changed morally.

Nothing like a little international laws violations and torture to solidify the high moral ground, eh? Where have you been for the past 6 years?

mekki

2009-02-03 3:24:26 PM

Wait, let me get this right. So under Bush, they were saying that America was too aggressive and domineering, trying to bully everyone around. That was why Iraq couldn't talk with the US. However; Obama comes along and wants to talk rather than fight and suddenly now Iraq is saying that the States are too much of a powder puff to talk to?

Do they think that people are actually going to buy this?

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