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(Canada.com)   Vancouver homeless who tried to warm themselves under wooden section of key commuter bridge inadvertently set it aflame, closing bridge for up to six weeks   (theprovince.com) divider line
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2009-01-19 1:06:09 AM  
Damned homeless people trying to keep warm and shiat. HOW DARE THEY??!!!
 
2009-01-19 2:12:51 AM  
Would it really be so hard to set up a circus tent somewhere in each city so the homeless can make their own shantytowns? It's gotta be cheaper than what we do now.
 
2009-01-19 2:13:53 AM  
Someone should just burn that deathtrap of a bridge down already. It'd be a public service.

I drove an ice cream truck across it daily for a while. Scared the bejesus out of me, trying to fit anything larger than a Mini Cooper in those lanes.
 
2009-01-19 2:44:15 AM  
Dammit, and Translink is already flat broke... I wonder how much it will cost to repair the Death Bridge.

The transportation planning out to Langley is such a mess. At least the RAV will improve transit out to Richmond.
 
2009-01-19 3:15:26 AM  
Teach a man how to build a fire, and he will be warm for the night. Set a man on fire, and he will be warm the rest of his life.
 
2009-01-19 3:44:36 AM  
Vancouver has one hell of a homeless problem.

/Family runs High-Rise Condos in New West.
 
2009-01-19 4:16:52 AM  
Urban wooden structures are SUCH a good idea.

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...does not approve.
 
2009-01-19 6:25:26 AM  
Gee, I thought Canada had solved all those nasty problems with their equitable and fair taxes, and careful training in sensitivity and compassion.
 
2009-01-19 6:29:43 AM  
TheGreatGildersleeve

Gee, I thought Canada had solved all those nasty problems with their equitable and fair taxes, and careful training in sensitivity and compassion.

Putting sarcasm momentarily aside, it does surprise me too, given Canadian social welfare claims (and taxes to match).
 
2009-01-19 6:31:20 AM  
Stop being stupid and go be homeless somewhere with nice weather. It doesn't cost more.
 
2009-01-19 6:35:39 AM  

oldcub: Stop being stupid and go be homeless somewhere with nice weather. It doesn't cost more.


And it only makes Florida more entertaining.
 
2009-01-19 6:38:04 AM  
Looks like they burned their bridges with that.
 
2009-01-19 6:40:23 AM  
And billy goats all over Canada rejoiced.
 
2009-01-19 6:48:05 AM  
FTFA:
The 18-metre section that caught fire was scheduled to be replaced and engineering work is about 85-per-cent complete, said Prendergast.

The homeless - forcing your government to use its tax revenue for the accelerated improvement of existing infrastructure since 2009.
 
2009-01-19 7:08:35 AM  
My land is bare of chattering folk.
The clouds are low along the ridges.
And sweet's the air with curling smoke
From all my burning bridges.

-- Dorothy Parker, Sanctuary
 
2009-01-19 7:12:39 AM  

oldcub: Stop being stupid and go be homeless somewhere with nice weather. It doesn't cost more.


"Comeere! See this? This is snow. Know what it's going to be in 100 years? FARKING SNOW!!! ARRR ARR AAAAAA! MOVE TO WHERE IT'S WARM ARSEHOLE!!!"

I miss Sam.
 
2009-01-19 7:14:05 AM  
San Francisco gives free money to the homeless and they are a sanctuary city so you don't have to be a citizen of the USA to stay there. Plenty of streets to sleep on and places to buy "legal" pot. Welcome to paradise!
 
2009-01-19 7:21:00 AM  

PoopStain: Would it really be so hard to set up a circus tent somewhere in each city so the homeless can make their own shantytowns? It's gotta be cheaper than what we do now.


No, see, the homeless are that way because they're lazy and don't want to work. If we help them by providing shelter, we're only encouraging them to leech off the government and not pick themselves up and become productive members of society. If they would just work hard and overcome their....oh for fark's sake, I can't even finish.

I have no idea why Americans show such incredible disdain for the homeless, or anyone who needs help for that matter. Well, I do know why--homelessness in America is largely viewed as the product of personal flaws and not a systemic problem--but this doesn't make the reason make sense to me. I am surprised to see this come out of Canada.
 
2009-01-19 7:23:40 AM  
At least they won't be bumsicles tonight
 
2009-01-19 7:25:49 AM  
A troubled bridge over waters?
 
2009-01-19 7:28:40 AM  
Lousy bums...burned my bridge down
[image from simpsonsmania.cz too old to be available]
 
2009-01-19 7:34:05 AM  
Just one more reason why it should be legal to hunt the homeless.
 
2009-01-19 7:36:23 AM  
Homeless are homeless not because they're stupid, at least, not "average" stupid. They're homeless either because of severe addiction to drugs and alcohol, or mental illness.

At least in Canada. You'd have to be to think spending your day and night outside was a good idea.

Now, in California, its downright easy being homeless, if you don't mind the random acts of ultra-violence.
 
2009-01-19 7:37:23 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Teach a man how to build a fire, and he will be warm for the night. Set a man on fire, and he will be warm the rest of his life.


YOU owe me a new keyboard!

/ Damn!
// coffee
/// everywhere...
 
2009-01-19 7:49:33 AM  

TheGreatGildersleeve: Gee, I thought Canada had solved all those nasty problems with their equitable and fair taxes, and careful training in sensitivity and compassion.


Vancouver and Victoria have homeless junkies on every downtown street corner. They're pretty aggresive and in your face too.

Guests for the 2010 Winter Olympics are in for a big treat.
 
2009-01-19 7:51:18 AM  

nastyboi: Guests for the 2010 Winter Olympics are in for a big treat.


There'll be a sweep right before the tourists arrive, just wait.
 
2009-01-19 7:52:18 AM  

Poppa Boner: Damned homeless people trying to keep warm and shiat. HOW DARE THEY??!!!


I wish that more cities where it gets cold would either build good shelters (with things like doors that lock so people don't steal your shiat) or allow homeless people to come into the lobbies of large public buildings at night. Just give them a cot and a sleeping bag.

It would save instances of that woman who refused to go into a shelter and subsequently burned herself alive trying to keep warm, and it would have probably saved the bridge.

Homeless people are not necessarily the most stupid segment of society, and most realize that the current shelters are a great way to have their best possessions stolen. Until we provide facilities that are tolerable, we will have to endure this population segment using survival methods outside because it is fundamentally safer for them then accepting going into a shelter.
 
2009-01-19 7:53:58 AM  

give me doughnuts: Just one more reason why it should be legal to hunt the homeless.


What kind of gun would you use to hunt the homeless?

I'd be partial to trapping myself.
 
2009-01-19 7:54:20 AM  

CayceP: There'll be a sweep right before the tourists arrive, just wait.


There are a lot of left-wing voters in Vancouver. It has centralized a lot with the influx of Asian immigrants, but it still leans left. I would expect that the level of government that tried to sweep the bums under the rug would be tossed out next election cycle.
 
2009-01-19 7:55:05 AM  

ImJustaTroll: Homeless are homeless not because they're stupid, at least, not "average" stupid. They're homeless either because of severe addiction to drugs and alcohol, or mental illness.

At least in Canada. You'd have to be to think spending your day and night outside was a good idea.

Now, in California, its downright easy being homeless, if you don't mind the random acts of ultra-violence.


Drug addiction is a symptom, not a root cause. Not that it helps at all.
 
2009-01-19 8:07:42 AM  

CayceP: PoopStain: Would it really be so hard to set up a circus tent somewhere in each city so the homeless can make their own shantytowns? It's gotta be cheaper than what we do now.

No, see, the homeless are that way because they're lazy and don't want to work. If we help them by providing shelter, we're only encouraging them to leech off the government and not pick themselves up and become productive members of society. If they would just work hard and overcome their....oh for fark's sake, I can't even finish.

I have no idea why Americans show such incredible disdain for the homeless, or anyone who needs help for that matter. Well, I do know why--homelessness in America is largely viewed as the product of personal flaws and not a systemic problem--but this doesn't make the reason make sense to me. I am surprised to see this come out of Canada.


How can it being anything but personal flaws? No one is making them homeless. Each and every homeless person has the capacity to make a living, even if meager. They are homeless because they choose to be. If they wanted better, they would go get something better.

A lot of them have serious mental health issues, drug addictions, emotional problems, etc., that prevent them from taking care of themselves, or having the desire to. Those are still personal flaws.

I can't even think of a good case that could be made for the homeless problem being 'systemic'
 
2009-01-19 8:09:21 AM  

lewismarktwo: ImJustaTroll: Homeless are homeless not because they're stupid, at least, not "average" stupid. They're homeless either because of severe addiction to drugs and alcohol, or mental illness.

At least in Canada. You'd have to be to think spending your day and night outside was a good idea.

Now, in California, its downright easy being homeless, if you don't mind the random acts of ultra-violence.

Drug addiction is a symptom, not a root cause. Not that it helps at all.


I don't think drug addiction is a symptom. I think they become users, then become homeless; not the other way around.
 
2009-01-19 8:11:07 AM  

Lumoclear: Bathia_Mapes: Teach a man how to build a fire, and he will be warm for the night. Set a man on fire, and he will be warm the rest of his life.

YOU owe me a new keyboard!

/ Damn!
// coffee
/// everywhere...


X2
 
2009-01-19 8:12:42 AM  
Coming from pittsburgh, city of bridges, I just gotta ask what kind of retarded monkey approved a WOODEN BRIDGE for commuters to use. Why would they allow that!?
 
2009-01-19 8:13:28 AM  

littleray42:
How can it being anything but personal flaws? No one is making them homeless. Each and every homeless person has the capacity to make a living, even if meager. They are homeless because they choose to be. If they wanted better, they would go get something better.

A lot of them have serious mental health issues, drug addictions, emotional problems, etc., that prevent them from taking care of themselves, or having the desire to. Those are still personal flaws.

I can't even think of a good case that could be made for the homeless problem being 'systemic'



Except for that 7% nationally that are unemployed.

/And everyone else that doesn't report to the ESA because they don't get payments anymore and has dropped out of the unemployment figure.
 
2009-01-19 8:13:37 AM  

Bored Horde:

It would save instances of that woman who refused to go into a shelter and subsequently burned herself alive trying to keep warm, and it would have probably saved the bridge.


I don't intend to sound boarish, but Darwin, anybody? Opening up all the lobbies of public building wouldn't have helped this woman. She had the option of a warm place to sleep and refused it.

/help me...help you
 
2009-01-19 8:15:13 AM  
I love the Fat Idiot Americans who biatch about Canadas welfare state.
"Bail out our auto industry!! Bail out our banks!! Give me ore credit for junkfood and ammo!!"
That's welfare.
This makes your big corporations "welfare bums".
The Canadian "welfare" state has been so cut back by government thieves that it's probably comparable to the American "social" net.
Almost non existent.
This and the fact that housing the mentally ill became too much of a threat to the government rake off, they closed down all the mental hospitals and set the mentally ill. free.
Brilliant.
Vancouver is like New York in the 70's , proportionately, per capita etc etc.

But lets make a few things clear;
this isn't a "homeless" problem, it's a systemic community problem. And the people who biatch about homeless people wouldn't tell their 80 year old grandmother with Alzheimers to get a job, call her a bum and boot her out in the street. No, because that's different no?
No.
Drugs constitute about 45% of the problems of the poor in Vancouver. Mental illness and poverty make up the rest.
What people don't see are the poor on the downtown east side that are trying, are employed and live in ratshiat conditions at ratshiat jobs working harder than the fat american prick calling for a "homeless hunting spree".
What people see are the junkies and the prozzies.
The problem is that people see and do nothing.

Homelessness is a result, not a cause.
Greed is the cause.

So those of you that are biatching about the homeless?
Gear up because you just might be one of them one day. And enjoy your just deserts.

Those "people" are your brothers and sisters.

I can't wait for the next American Depression. We'll see who the whiny "Bums" are then won't we.

Like I said, gear up.
 
2009-01-19 8:16:56 AM  
People who put carraige returns after every sentence should shampoo my crotch.
 
2009-01-19 8:19:26 AM  

lilplatinum: People who put carraige returns after every sentence should shampoo my crotch.


you probably need it
 
2009-01-19 8:19:51 AM  

ph0rk: littleray42:
How can it being anything but personal flaws? No one is making them homeless. Each and every homeless person has the capacity to make a living, even if meager. They are homeless because they choose to be. If they wanted better, they would go get something better.

A lot of them have serious mental health issues, drug addictions, emotional problems, etc., that prevent them from taking care of themselves, or having the desire to. Those are still personal flaws.

I can't even think of a good case that could be made for the homeless problem being 'systemic'


Except for that 7% nationally that are unemployed.

/And everyone else that doesn't report to the ESA because they don't get payments anymore and has dropped out of the unemployment figure.


In real terms, 7% isn't that high. And, it's a revolving percentage. How long are the majority of that 7% remaining unemployed? Another factor, when speaking of unemployed, to consider is that many of them hold out for some time trying to get a job comensurate with the one they had before. If a marketing exec get's laid off, he could turn around in a day and get a job at Wal-mart. He'd have to sell a lot of his stuff to reduce his standard of living, but he could do it. Instead, he files for unemployment and hopes for the best.

The homeless are different than regular unemployed-- They aren't looking for a job. Either way, though, in this country, even today, there is a job of some kind for anyone that wants one.
 
2009-01-19 8:20:13 AM  
PoopStain: Would it really be so hard to set up a circus tent somewhere in each city so the homeless can make their own shantytowns? It's gotta be cheaper than what we do now.

It could have showers, even.

[image from judicial-inc.biz too old to be available]
 
2009-01-19 8:20:53 AM  
and its "carriage" moran, and my computer aren't got one of them.
 
2009-01-19 8:21:41 AM  

blairdobson: lilplatinum: People who put carraige returns after every sentence should shampoo my crotch.

you probably need it


I know, I love banging homeless chicks.

/you can just dump them out of your car anywhere when driving home
 
2009-01-19 8:22:31 AM  

blairdobson:
Those "people" are your brothers and sisters.


I concur.

Blaming homelessness on the homeless is an easy way to both shield oneself from responsibility and stop thinking about it: their fault, not my problem.

It sort of fits into the same category as a nation not providing healthcare for children (or anyone else) in my book. We aren't the road-raging, kill-each-other-for-a-contract-or-promotion savage capitalists a-la Richard K. Morgan (new window), so the weak stabs at social darwinism are just silly.
 
2009-01-19 8:22:34 AM  

blairdobson: I love the Fat Idiot Americans who biatch about Canadas welfare state.
"Bail out our auto industry!! Bail out our banks!! Give me ore credit for junkfood and ammo!!"
That's welfare.
This makes your big corporations "welfare bums".
The Canadian "welfare" state has been so cut back by government thieves that it's probably comparable to the American "social" net.
Almost non existent.
This and the fact that housing the mentally ill became too much of a threat to the government rake off, they closed down all the mental hospitals and set the mentally ill. free.
Brilliant.
Vancouver is like New York in the 70's , proportionately, per capita etc etc.

But lets make a few things clear;
this isn't a "homeless" problem, it's a systemic community problem. And the people who biatch about homeless people wouldn't tell their 80 year old grandmother with Alzheimers to get a job, call her a bum and boot her out in the street. No, because that's different no?
No.
Drugs constitute about 45% of the problems of the poor in Vancouver. Mental illness and poverty make up the rest.
What people don't see are the poor on the downtown east side that are trying, are employed and live in ratshiat conditions at ratshiat jobs working harder than the fat american prick calling for a "homeless hunting spree".
What people see are the junkies and the prozzies.
The problem is that people see and do nothing.

Homelessness is a result, not a cause.
Greed is the cause.

So those of you that are biatching about the homeless?
Gear up because you just might be one of them one day. And enjoy your just deserts.

Those "people" are your brothers and sisters.

I can't wait for the next American Depression. We'll see who the whiny "Bums" are then won't we.

Like I said, gear up.


Sure, eh. What are you talking abooot.
 
2009-01-19 8:22:50 AM  

blairdobson: and its "carriage" moran, and my computer aren't got one of them.


"my computer aren't got one of them" ?
 
2009-01-19 8:25:05 AM  
littleray42:

In real terms, 7% isn't that high. And, it's a revolving percentage. How long are the majority of that 7% remaining unemployed? Another factor, when speaking of unemployed, to consider is that many of them hold out for some time trying to get a job comensurate with the one they had before. If a marketing exec get's laid off, he could turn around in a day and get a job at Wal-mart. He'd have to sell a lot of his stuff to reduce his standard of living, but he could do it. Instead, he files for unemployment and hopes for the best.

The homeless are different than regular unemployed-- They aren't looking for a job. Either way, though, in this country, even today, there is a job of some kind for anyone that wants one.


In real terms, you have no idea what you are talking about.
 
2009-01-19 8:25:41 AM  
littleray42

So how long were you homeless?
 
2009-01-19 8:28:15 AM  

ph0rk: blairdobson:
Those "people" are your brothers and sisters.


I concur.

Blaming homelessness on the homeless is an easy way to both shield oneself from responsibility and stop thinking about it: their fault, not my problem.

It sort of fits into the same category as a nation not providing healthcare for children (or anyone else) in my book. We aren't the road-raging, kill-each-other-for-a-contract-or-promotion savage capitalists a-la Richard K. Morgan (new window), so the weak stabs at social darwinism are just silly.


I agree that we should help the homeless. Not letting someone starve or freeze to death is always the right thing to do, regardless of how they got that way.

That being said, explain to me how homelessness is someone els's fault that the one who is homeless? (assuming all the prestated causes being drug adiction, mental health, etc.)
 
2009-01-19 8:29:39 AM  
ph0rk:

The homeless are different than regular unemployed-- They aren't looking for a job. Either way, though, in this country, even today, there is a job of some kind for anyone that wants one.


that is the most idiotic, myopic thing i've heard all day.
you have no idea whats out there when it comes to "some kinda job".
it's apples and oranges for a homeless person with mental issues,drug problems compared to a jackass CEO who can sell his big screen and his BMW to go get a "jawb" at wall mart.
your statements are idiotic because they aren't remotely based in reality.
but that absolves you of any and all guilt; they must just be lazy.
there are people who have been downsized, not from the street who have a hard time getting work and i guess in your retarded opinion, they just aren't trying hard enough.

/this thread is already too annoying to continue.
//change "homeless" to "negroes" and all this looks awfully familiar don't it?
1960's bigoted America.
///but Americans weren't bums during the depression were they.....
 
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