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Blargosaurus
2008-12-31 10:51:54 AM  
How could that possibly hurt?
 
Mordant
2008-12-31 10:59:02 AM  
"conservatives" are going to be outraged over this.
 
IndyMBA
2008-12-31 11:02:44 AM  
I have absolutely no problem with lifting our embargo of Cuba. We've had no problems making amends with nearly all other "communist" countries. So why not make nice with Cuba?
 
Mr. Coffee Nerves [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2008-12-31 11:05:56 AM  
At least we know the Cuban products aren't tainted with lead and poisons like the other Communist country we trade with that owns us.
 
ksparrothd
2008-12-31 11:09:01 AM  
Supposed to be awesome beaches there too. Could turn into a great vacation spot....again.
 
wrytrzcrmp
2008-12-31 11:13:21 AM  

ksparrothd: Supposed to be awesome beaches there too. Could turn into a great vacation spot....again.


Not to mention their incredible growing regions. It would actually help our economy to move some of the "exotic" veggies back to Cuba where they once grew and use that land for row crop farming here.

I cannot believe I am this boring.
 
Eddie Adams from Torrance
2008-12-31 11:24:38 AM  
We'll never "defeat the commies" in Cuba with a blockade. If we're serious about bringing regime change, we need to fight this battle with Starbucks and McDonalds.
 
thomps
2008-12-31 11:27:20 AM  
i can't think of a reasonable argument for maintaining an embargo on cuba. but then, i have a hard time with the logic for most of our latin american policies...
 
Dancin_In_Anson
2008-12-31 11:27:56 AM  
Should have been done ages ago.
 
Stompn_Tom
2008-12-31 11:27:58 AM  

ksparrothd: Supposed to be awesome beaches there too. Could turn into a great vacation spot....again.


It is an awesome vacation spot
 
Diogenes [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2008-12-31 11:29:15 AM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: We'll never "defeat the commies" in Cuba with a blockade. If we're serious about bringing regime change, we need to fight this battle with Starbucks and McDonalds.


An external threat encourages internal cohesiveness. The policy over time has not only been ineffective, it's been self-defeating.
 
Diogenes [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2008-12-31 11:30:59 AM  
I have a friend that went on a Carribean cruise and came across some Cuban cigars. He's not much of a connoisseur, and when I asked him if Cubans were really all that much better he said he couldn't really tell a difference.

Anyone disagree?
 
thomps
2008-12-31 11:33:13 AM  

Diogenes: I have a friend that went on a Carribean cruise and came across some Cuban cigars. He's not much of a connoisseur, and when I asked him if Cubans were really all that much better he said he couldn't really tell a difference.

Anyone disagree?


from what i can tell, anymore cubans aren't any better than a good dominican.
 
Dead for Tax Reasons
2008-12-31 11:34:58 AM  
miami is gonna go apeshiat. fark 'em
 
Dancin_In_Anson
2008-12-31 11:37:39 AM  
thomps: from what i can tell, anymore cubans aren't any better than a good dominican.

It's the mystique...Like your wife's sister.
 
Mr. Coffee Nerves [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2008-12-31 11:40:14 AM  

Diogenes: I have a friend that went on a Carribean cruise and came across some Cuban cigars. He's not much of a connoisseur, and when I asked him if Cubans were really all that much better he said he couldn't really tell a difference.

Anyone disagree?


They seem much harsher to me. I've had Cuban Cohibas, Partagas and Hoyo De Monterreys and they've all been stronger than their Dominican counterparts. Maybe I'm just getting crappy versions of the Cubans with much-more chopped up tobacco, but I don't think they're really a huge upgrade.
 
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2008-12-31 11:51:18 AM  

Diogenes: I have a friend that went on a Carribean cruise and came across some Cuban cigars. He's not much of a connoisseur, and when I asked him if Cubans were really all that much better he said he couldn't really tell a difference.


A friend of mine who is a connoisseur told me once that Cuba has ruined most of its good growing land because it over cultivated tobacco, so, yeah, a Dominican cigar is probably comparable at this point.
 
namatad
2008-12-31 12:05:08 PM  
imagine
rational policies ??
ZOMG

plus, if he lifts them NOW, DAY ONE, by the time 2010 comes around, everyone will have "forgotten"
everyone who went to cuba for a vacation, would go, "huh"

50 years of failed policy, what will we change next?
the 28 year, complete failure of a war on drugs?
 
jaylectricity [TotalFark]
2008-12-31 12:18:18 PM  
Somewhere, Bill "Spaceman" Lee is smiling.
 
Bill_Wick's_Friend
2008-12-31 12:30:38 PM  
B-b-b-but my grandpa owned a whorehouse / sweatshop / slave labor camp under Batista and I want my property back!

/the objection from Miami

(could you hand me that very very tiny violin, please?)
 
Dancin_In_Anson
2008-12-31 12:39:33 PM  
Bill_Wick's_Friend: B-b-b-but my grandpa owned a whorehouse / sweatshop / slave labor camp under Batista and I want my property back!

My Aunt went through something like that in Dresden after the wall came down. It was a property claim and in all honesty I don't recall how it all came out, but I can see this happening in Cuber.
 
shaft6969
2008-12-31 12:58:45 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: thomps: from what i can tell, anymore cubans aren't any better than a good dominican.

It's the mystique...Like your wife's sister.


/Well played, sir.

//Every major cigar co. moved seeds over to the Dominican Republic and other nearby islands. Climate is similar, but the soil may not be. Just like wine (or even tomatoes), soil can be vital to the flavor profile.

///Most people don't smoke enough of either to tell the difference, hence the "wife's sister" mystique is the driving force.
 
Code_Archeologist
2008-12-31 1:18:12 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Bill_Wick's_Friend: B-b-b-but my grandpa owned a whorehouse / sweatshop / slave labor camp under Batista and I want my property back!

My Aunt went through something like that in Dresden after the wall came down. It was a property claim and in all honesty I don't recall how it all came out, but I can see this happening in Cuber.


Yeah... those rarely if ever amount to much more than a bunch of sound and fury, because the financial claims usually get written off as null and void upon the resumption of normalized relations.

Currently the US claims that the Cuba owes exiles in the US somewhere around $6 Billion, and Cuba claims that the US owes it $70 Billion in damages done to it by the embargo. For normalized relations to move forward both sides have will have to agree to set aside their claims against the other.
 
Dancin_In_Anson
2008-12-31 1:20:22 PM  
Code_Archeologist: Yeah... those rarely if ever amount to much more than a bunch of sound and fury, because the financial claims usually get written off as null and void upon the resumption of normalized relations.

I'll drop her a note and see if she would be forthcoming with any info.
 
The Icelander
2008-12-31 1:26:15 PM  
Cigars and rum? Sounds good to me
 
Snarfangel
2008-12-31 1:41:27 PM  

Code_Archeologist: Currently the US claims that the Cuba owes exiles in the US somewhere around $6 Billion, and Cuba claims that the US owes it $70 Billion in damages done to it by the embargo.


Is Cuba claiming the United States must trade with it, and to trade with third parties who also trade with Cuba? I would like to see the embargo removed, but I don't see how a desire on their part constitutes an obligation on our part.

If Cuba decided that it would not sell cigars anywhere in the Western Hemisphere, certainly it would be their right to do so without us planning an invasion under the banner of "free trade," or demanding damages.
 
Vertically Challenged
2008-12-31 2:10:40 PM  
Elizabeth: So that's it, then? That's the secret, grand adventure of the infamous Jack Sparrow. You spent three days lying on a beach drinking rum.
Jack Sparrow: Welcome to the Caribbean, love.
 
ilambiquated
2008-12-31 2:57:11 PM  

ksparrothd: Supposed to be awesome beaches there too. Could turn into a great vacation spot....again.


It's overrun with Europeans, I'm afraid.
 
lilbjorn
2008-12-31 3:00:01 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: miami is gonna go apeshiat. fark 'em


Farkin' banana Republicans. Let 'em vote for Bush again.
 
smeegle
2008-12-31 3:00:19 PM  
Bout time.
 
Weaver95
2008-12-31 3:00:33 PM  
mmm...rum....
 
ilambiquated
2008-12-31 3:01:20 PM  

wrytrzcrmp: ksparrothd: Supposed to be awesome beaches there too. Could turn into a great vacation spot....again.

Not to mention their incredible growing regions. It would actually help our economy to move some of the "exotic" veggies back to Cuba where they once grew and use that land for row crop farming here.

I cannot believe I am this boring.



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McManus_brothers
2008-12-31 3:03:41 PM  

ilambiquated: ksparrothd: Supposed to be awesome beaches there too. Could turn into a great vacation spot....again.

It's overrun with Europeans, I'm afraid.


And Canadians.
 
keflex
2008-12-31 3:04:00 PM  
What, no Garypdx and his Cold War wharrgarbl?

What is Fark coming to!
 
Undiluted
2008-12-31 3:04:42 PM  
Dear Fark,

When you begin greenlighting headlines that claim alcohol is bad, your political bias is officially worse than da Freep.

--rum-drinking "fake" Americans
 
Gosling
2008-12-31 3:05:17 PM  
Thing hasn't worked for 50 years. What's another 4 going to seriously accomplish?
 
ilambiquated
2008-12-31 3:09:15 PM  
Actually the signs aren't too good that this will happen.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2008-12-31 3:09:51 PM  

Undiluted: When you begin greenlighting headlines that claim alcohol is bad, your political bias is officially worse than da Freep.


*Reads headline carefully, looking for claim that alcohol is bad*

Not seeing it. Lemme doublecheck:

*reads it yet again*

Nope -- still not seeing it.
 
fosborb
2008-12-31 3:10:29 PM  

ilambiquated: It's overrun with Europeans, I'm afraid.


So not all that different than the BVIs?
 
deltabourne
2008-12-31 3:11:04 PM  
lol. Obama has said nothing about lifting the embargo. And he won't. Why? It'll just cost him political capital.

You people are going to find out real quick that he's just another politician. Better than most of them, but he's not for the sweeping changes you all thought he was for. Stop projecting your ideas/thoughts onto him.
 
wolvernova
2008-12-31 3:16:45 PM  

IndyMBA: I have absolutely no problem with lifting our embargo of Cuba. We've had no problems making amends with nearly all other "communist" countries. So why not make nice with Cuba?


Exactly. Add Iran to this list and we could potentially solve a lot of unnecessary problems.
 
BMulligan
2008-12-31 3:19:10 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: thomps: from what i can tell, anymore cubans aren't any better than a good dominican.

It's the mystique...Like your wife's sister.


Eeeewwwww! Obviously, you've never seen my sister-in-law!
 
Hideously Gigantic Smurf
2008-12-31 3:29:39 PM  
If we lift the embargo on Cuba, does that mean we can send 'em back?
 
AgonistAlex
2008-12-31 3:31:54 PM  
About, farking, time.
 
Outlaw2097
2008-12-31 3:34:54 PM  
vegas robainas all around!
 
haplo53
2008-12-31 3:35:40 PM  
It may not turn the country around, but after cigars and rum you might not care.
 
mongbiohazard
2008-12-31 3:37:28 PM  
I'm split on this.

On the one hand - I freaking despise communism. Since pretty much the rest of the world already trades with Cuba, and even we trade food with them already (they get most of their food from America), I don't really think this will be much more than a symbolic gesture, but the wrong kind.

On the other hand - the despicable Cuban regime has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they will run their country into the farking ground rather than cede any power or reform their system in a sane and civilized manner, so the "embargo" isn't really doing much anyway aside from making it marginally more difficult (though not impossible) to buy Cuban goods (protip: you can order Cuban cigars from Europe at a small premium).

So either way, as a conservative Republican I'm not going to pitch a fit.
 
HoyaSaxa
2008-12-31 3:39:11 PM  
The PoliSci in me wants to comment on how much the embargo sucks.

The cigar man in me wants to comment on that domain. Some of the best smokes I've ever had were indeed Cubans. Dominicans and Hondurans have improved vastly in the 40 years since the embargo. More investment and ever-increasing experience in their respective regions have brought them up there.

Think about Californian wines. Are the finest wines in the world still coming out of France? Sure. Have Cali wines consistently climbed in quality to a point where their bests can compete with the bests from anywhere else? Yes again. Same goes for smokes.

And think, an influx of Cubans into the US would drive down prices on really good Dominicans as Americans snatch up all the Cubans simply because of the cachet.
 
BMulligan
2008-12-31 3:46:11 PM  

mongbiohazard: On the other hand - the despicable Cuban regime has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they will run their country into the farking ground rather than cede any power or reform their system in a sane and civilized manner, so the "embargo" isn't really doing much anyway aside from making it marginally more difficult (though not impossible) to buy Cuban goods (protip: you can order Cuban cigars from Europe at a small premium).

So either way, as a conservative Republican I'm not going to pitch a fit not at all troubled to suggest that you commit a felony.


Just pokin' a little fun - don't let it spoil your New Year!
 
The Icelander
2008-12-31 4:15:09 PM  
mongbiohazard: protip: you can order Cuban cigars from Europe at a small premium

For a conservative Republican you don't have much respect for the law.
 
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