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(Washington Post)   President Bush is a man of ideas. They're not his ideas, but hand him one and he'll run with it   ( washingtonpost.com) divider line
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2003-01-17 08:43:23 PM  
Gore had WORSE grades than Bush's?! Well, there goes the little respect I had for him...
2003-01-17 08:44:18 PM  
Even the Bushies have given up defending his intelligence Puffy
2003-01-17 08:46:16 PM  
Dear Mods and Drew,
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2003-01-17 08:48:11 PM  
Republicans: dumb, small weenies, blowhards, look for easy solutions, need other people to tell them they're okay, have issues with their daddies, cry themselves to sleep at night, closeted fraidy-cats, liars.

Democrats: egomaniacs, p-whipped, smarmy, boring, come up with impracticable solutions, have issues with their mommies, imagine that all other people cry themselves to sleep at night, control-freaks, liars.

No-win situation. You will be screwed. Enjoy.
2003-01-17 08:48:30 PM  
signing up for TotalFark and getting comments in early helps determine how good a thread will be... if a semi decent thread starts early than it is more likely to get picked up.....
2003-01-17 08:49:27 PM  

Gore also dropped out of divinity school after college, I'm sure that little nugget won't improve his stature in your eyes either.
2003-01-17 08:49:32 PM  
Well, gore was more likely to be smoking pot and getting it on while in college, explaining his lower scores.

In comparison, bush was more likely to be drinking, feeding his crack habit and not getting it on.

On second thought, I can't explain this without bringing in "fixed" grades. He was skull & bones, daddy head of the CIA (at the time?), and rich.
2003-01-17 08:50:04 PM  
all else aside at least my weener ain't small
2003-01-17 08:56:15 PM  
Wait, wait, wait: are you guys telling me that Ivy League politicians who never experienced the real world are out of touch with just about everything?

But atleast I got that tax advance! What a sweet burger that bought...!
2003-01-17 08:57:04 PM  
Ah yes... class warfare at its worst, as the president points out.
The Post is really fond of repeating Republican spin points, aren't they?

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.
2003-01-17 08:58:58 PM  
If your tax cut is too stinking small, work hard and get rich. Do I have to explain everything to you?
2003-01-17 09:02:04 PM  
If your tax cut is too stinking small...

You mean small like your weener?
2003-01-17 09:04:29 PM  
He's upper management. They never come up with their own ideas.
2003-01-17 09:05:43 PM  
I don't expect you to explain something to me, Jjorsett, especially since you can't even get it right. It isn't a tax cut, it's a tax advance. You pay it back. Unless you invest your piddly amount in the stock market then lose it due to corporate scam artists who happen to be the best friends of the president. And that's what the advance was for; investing. Funny how that all worked out, eh?
2003-01-17 09:05:48 PM  

Apparently you do.


Witty comeback. Amazing you were able to avoid the "bounces off of me and sticks to you" cliche.
2003-01-17 09:13:21 PM  
Jjorsett Wait, what thread am I in? It's not about working hard and getting rich (well, maybe it is) but the class warfare begins to surface because many people believe that the rich get richer and the poor yadda yadda yadda. The rich already have entirely too many ways of avoiding and/or reducing their taxes if they have a good accountant. I have nothing against trying to protect what you've earned, I just start to get testy when that protection comes at others expense.
2003-01-17 09:13:31 PM  
Amazing you were able to avoid the "bounces off of me and sticks to you" cliche.

You mean amazing like your amazingly small weener?

Oh and by the way: amazing you were able to avoid the "bounces off of me and sticks to you" cliche.
2003-01-17 09:13:42 PM  
Jjorsett since when does working hard have anything to do with getting rich in the United States? Are you still living in the 50s or something? You can't have back yesterday so wake the fark up.
2003-01-17 09:15:42 PM  
what if I were like Evan Marriott without the Joe Mill thing, and really stoopid. And even if he moved dirt really hard on the big yellow things that go vrroom his whole life....

throw a dog a bone, he's a dumbass, but so is bush, where's the equal opp there?
2003-01-17 09:33:12 PM  
Attention, dissenters.

We here at the VRWC are very concerned with your attitudes. We will give you until Friday January 31, 2003 to reeducate yourselves. If, after that time, we recieve any evidence otherwise, we will arrive at your house, and you will be transported to the Super Happy Fun camps™ in North Dakota.

Your compliance is appreciated.
2003-01-17 09:36:59 PM  
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2003-01-17 10:02:32 PM  
FifthColumn : The tax advance was for investments?... I am sitting here wondering how many people invested in a playstation instead...
2003-01-17 10:04:44 PM  
This quote is from a whitehouse press briefing from the other day. It's a question from a reporter to duhhhhbyas mouthpiece Ari Fleischer:

Last week Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said that soldiers drafted to service in the military, "added no value, no advantage, really, to the United States armed services." The Vietnam Veterans of America Foundation called this an egregious slur and a great insult to the memory, sacrifice and valor of those who lost their lives in Vietnam. One Vietnam vet, Thomas Gohan (phonetic), of Rochester, New York, said this, as a draftee who spent a year of his life in Vietnam: "I would like to suggest that perhaps my inferior service to our country wouldn't have been necessary if those proud, flag-waving patriots like George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and the rest of the cowards had come forward to enlist. I would like to see Secretary Rumsfeld repeat his speech in front of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial on Memorial Day."

Does the President agree with Secretary Rumsfeld that soldiers drafted to service added no value to the United States armed service?

Fleisher responded with a flip answer and refused to allow the reporter to ask anymore questions.
2003-01-17 10:17:04 PM  
"01-17-03 08:04:27 PM Myworld
then again, how many of you choose to vote for that moron and compromise 4 years just to get that $300 tax check ?

ohh, ohh i can answer that! Less than the amount of people who voted for Gore?"

TECHNICALLY - More citizens did vote for Gore, Bush got more Electorial (sp?) votes. Then again if Gore had won his OWN state, Tennessee, he would have won. Plus that whole FL thing.
2003-01-17 10:19:42 PM  
this imbecile never had a thought in his life.
2003-01-17 10:24:00 PM  
If Gore were President, we'd still have the WTC gracing New York's skyline.

But Chimpy needed his permanent war against Oceana.
2003-01-17 10:25:46 PM  
I like how the authoer equates building multi-million dollar useless projects with tax breaks.

I suppose a project that takes thousands of cars off the road and gets a couple hundred thousand people to work and reduces the traffic jams and saves us from more ugly parking lots going up is a useless project if you live in Montana.

Then again, maybe a nice, big National Park in Montana which attracts tourists and boosts the economy there, would be welcome in Montana.

But what do we get? Another tax cut for the rich and more trickle-down economics and more big deficits.
2003-01-17 10:27:27 PM  
Uh, how did he get his Harvard MBA?

Well, when your daddy is head of the CIA and all the profs are his friends, it's probably pretty easy to get good grades.
2003-01-17 10:27:42 PM  
Then again if Gore had won his OWN state, Tennessee, he would have won.

That sounds logical, but Bush II didn't carry his own country and HE still won! Go figure!
2003-01-17 10:30:37 PM  
man. you folks just never get enough of this, do you.
2003-01-17 10:32:45 PM  
Is this really a valid critique of the administration? I remember Bill Clinton's most successful programs such as welfare finance reform and budget balance were started by the Republicans. Yet Clinton is held by many as a visionary, and Bush is unoriginal. At least he is borrowing from his own party.
2003-01-17 10:34:58 PM  
Kinsley did lose me in the paragraph where he calls them "Bushies".

I've called Bush an "idiot" before, I mean, it's really hard to look at the guy and not think "idiot", but I think we should end that and just go after his plans and ideas with arguments and facts and opinions.

I'm using only "Bush II" from now on to distinguish from "Bush I"

Above was the last time I'll call him an "i....." in type. I reserve the right to say it in private.
2003-01-17 10:48:12 PM  
Just call him Junior ZipBeep every body will understand what you are talking about. "Junior knocked over the economy again." "Junior picked a fight with the sissy Arab kid again." "Junior gave away all our money again."
2003-01-17 10:50:10 PM  
Sadly it seems that the administration has gone all Keynesian. It may be said that the only difference between Democrats and Republicans is that the Dems are the "Tax and Spend" party, while the Reps are the "Just Spend" party...

You'd think by now that politicians would realize how little power they really have over the economy, and how these "stimulus packages" tend to make things worse and not better. What surprises me is how much the two Bush administrations seem to cling to ideas which is traditionally associated with Democrats, while the Clinton administration balanced the books -- admittedly with outrageous fortune, economically.

Perhaps it's time to consider the Democratic party as the real party of "Voodoo economics"?
2003-01-17 11:26:39 PM  
No CleverShark, just the party that didn't want to turn the US against the world so that the flow of money goes to oil and energy. Oil and Energy being the most efficient way to get money directly to the top of the food chain, which would then rely on "Trickle Down" which was the whole reason the term "Voodoo Economics" was coined. Nice try Rush, but shifting the blame does not change the facts.
2003-01-17 11:33:35 PM  
GimpRulez is that true? I would soooo love to see the video of that!

I just wish I could ask that punk Ari Fleischer some questions once upon a time. Like, in the early days, when he was saying that there woudl be a new tone from Washington, and it's not about partisanship. Then go to sound bites of W. stumping and saying how the Democrats are playing politics and acting partisan. Then ask him for his opinion.

I know he would weasel out of it, but it would still be fun.

Another question would be: When was the last time we had a president who gave so few press conferences?

Ah, I can dream, can't I?
2003-01-17 11:34:04 PM  
Clevershark: actually, the government can have quite an effect on the economy. The country's most prosperous industries - hi-tech, pharmaceuticals, agriculture - have all been heavily subsidized by the state (ergo, your taxes) before they took off on their own; in the case of high-tech in particular, it was direct intervention in the economy through the Pentagon that jump-started. The belief that the U.S. is a pure "capitalist" economy is just a myth - the U.S. is just as interventionist as any other industrialized country (except the bulk of its production is done by private industries instead of the state, as is/was the case in "socialist" nations).

The fact is that Friedman's beloved "invisible hand of the market" doesn't exist, and nearly all of the great things achieved in modern times wouldn't have been possible without the collective effort of whole nations, through taxation and then redistribution of wealth in strategic areas.
2003-01-17 11:37:26 PM  
Qrlx: about the fact that Bush gives so little press conferences - yeah, I've noticed that too. In fact, I haven't seen one in a while. The only time he answers questions is when he's forced to face journalists because there's a foreing dignitary in town or something. And then he only says that he's "sick and tired of Saddam's games." Of course he would be...Saddam's a brutal, cold-blooded tyrant, but at least he's got some smarts, something Dubya's handlers will never be able to give him.
2003-01-17 11:41:13 PM  
"That sounds logical, but Bush II didn't carry his own country and HE still won! Go figure!"

Really can you blame the electoral system? Popular vote does not count. But the dim witted leftie, only claims the letter of the law when it suits them. Other than that breaking voting laws is ok by them. *cough* new jersey *cough*

The democrats are in big trouble if the dead people votes do not count in futher elections.
2003-01-18 12:04:40 AM  
he don't give a fark...does he?
2003-01-18 12:11:09 AM  
Rikulrn: The democrats are in big trouble if the dead people votes do not count in futher elections.

I can't help but say, is a Republician really one to talk on this one?
2003-01-18 12:20:49 AM  
Yes, we use real people to vote. Also they vote only once, we don't bus them around and have them vote many times. Promising them a free meal.

Kennedy won on a contriversial vote in which many dead voted. Look into it. So yes we can scream unfair. But most Republicans have an ounce of class. Unlike the democrats. I am going to sleep. Good night farkers and other life forms.
2003-01-18 12:24:01 AM  

Seeing as how the Democrats are the party of voter fraud, I'm thinking Rikulrn has plenty of room to speak on that issue. I mean who is diluting voter requirements so that illegal aliens can vote with almost no restriction? Not to mention the Saddam Hussein-like 100% turnout and 100%Democrat results in certain Northeastern inner cities?

Come on, those people don't even show up for their welfare checks, which is why they have to be mailed to them.
2003-01-18 12:26:52 AM  
All I'm saying are there are quite a few R voter fraud cases -- not that anyone's innocent.
2003-01-18 12:32:09 AM  
Who has the answers? Republicans or Democrats? The fact is we are all at a cross roads. The economy had reached a peak. ENRON and other companies which put doubt in the stock market had nothing to do with Bush, it had already began before his reign. What about IRAQ? Let's think for a second. If we had completed the job the first time we would not have this thread today...would we? Can anyone say that the task at hand (with IRAQ) should not happen. Maybe we have all forgottne about 9-11-01.
2003-01-18 12:35:52 AM  
All right, but who put Sheriff's Police in the polling places and posted signs outside saying "if you have any trouble with the law, you had better not come in to vote"?

How about not counting votes in Florida? And, do you mean illegal aliens like the ultra-conservative Cubans in Florida???

I think the Republicans hold their own in the vote stealing department.

And the whole "Rush Limbaugh/dim-witted leftie" thing is getting a bit stale, don't you think??? I don't know if this is considered clever or what, but really ....

When you say "those people", I assume you are talking about US citizens??? I'd hate to think that was a racist thing.
2003-01-18 12:36:09 AM  

Honestly, I would like to know how the Republicans have been responsible for voter fraud. Specific instances. Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt they'd try, it is human nature, but based on how election law has been perverted over the past 20 years, surely the Democrats have watered down laws to make it impossible to hold fair elections. And the people that benefit tend to be heavily Democrat voters. Then there is the Senate race Tim Johnson won in South Dakota, where it they caught an Indian woman who has forged over 300 abstentee ballots (that she copped to), almost enough right there to throw the race.

Here in California, as in many states, it is forbidden to ask for identification when a voter appears at the polls. Well that's a problem right there. But the California voter registration form requires no proof of citizenship (other than checking a box), and nothing other than name and address. No SS#, no nothing. It does ask for a driver's license number (optional, by the way), but even that is no proof of citizenship.

Guess who is for laws that make it tougher for non-citizens to vote and who is against those laws. Then tell me who is the party of voter fraud.
2003-01-18 12:42:02 AM  
01-17-03 11:33:35 PM Qrlx

Absolutely true. Here is the full transcript of the press conference as posted on the official whitehouse website. The quote is about 2/3 the way down, but the conference also has a lot of entertaining Q&A about the change in affirmative action.

link here

BTW: It's not your imagination. Bush has been extremely inaccessible to the media -- the worst in the history of the office as I understand it. He doesn't like to be questioned since that would be beneath his royal highness to answer questions from us commoners. Also, I suspect his puppet masters don't allow him to go outside since there is a real danger of him sticking his foot in his mouth.
2003-01-18 12:43:47 AM  

There is a big difference between Jim Crow electioneering (which by the way was for the benefit of Dem's) and asking for proper ID.

Not counting votes in Florida? Just how many times to they need to be counted? The only validly cast votes that were excluded were military, at the behest of MR. "Count all the votes". Look, I'm not going to argue that more people INTENDED to vote for Gore in Florida, but that's not the payoff window. If I were a Democrat I'd still be pissed my fellow voters were too stupid to vote for the right guy, let alone that idiot Nader. But that's the price you pay for pandering to morons.

As to "those people", I was referring to the people I mentioned in the paragraph above. Turnouts in certain precints were 100% with 100% voting for Gore. Not remotely possible, or needed as he would have won those states anyway, but it did help him claim "winning" the popular vote.
2003-01-18 12:44:17 AM  
damn closing tags.
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