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2008-10-14 2:13:07 PM  
submitter: In an article containing numerous spelling and grammatical errors, Huffington Post writer asks "Why Are Americans So Content With Mediocrity?"

i see that "quote" nowhere in the link. you're part of the problem, submitter
 
2008-10-14 2:18:52 PM  

Megain: you're your part of the problem, submitter


/sorry, Rex Reed
 
2008-10-14 2:19:01 PM  

Megain: you're part of the problem, submitter


Ironic, isn't it?
 
2008-10-14 2:20:19 PM  
Why Is America So Content With Mediocrity?
 
2008-10-14 2:21:43 PM  
The Average person thinks he isn't.
 
2008-10-14 2:22:51 PM  
Americans have a skewed scale. They don't realize some places in the world don't fark you up the ass for basic things like health care.
 
2008-10-14 2:25:19 PM  
There should be a comma after asks.

rape yourself to death.
 
2008-10-14 2:28:43 PM  
*History Channel old guy voice*

Operation: Farkarossa began on October 14, 2008, as three Grammar Nazi army groups pushed deep into Soviet Reading Comprehension Land territory.

Grammatical Hitler achieved total surprise, as Readin' Stalin's RTFA had systematically purged almost the entirety of the Reading Comprehension Army's essential non-commissioned submitters.
 
2008-10-14 2:29:14 PM  
I see two spelling errors, under-educated and healthcare, apart from words with the "g" dropped. Maybe I'm missing something there.
 
2008-10-14 2:32:55 PM  
Quite a few dropped space marks, but other than that it's probably better edited than most blog posts (or fark posts) I've seen.
 
2008-10-14 2:38:07 PM  

50mm: Americans have a skewed scale. They don't realize some places in the world don't fark you up the ass for basic things like health care food.


Skewed indeed.
 
2008-10-14 2:40:00 PM  
Submitter is why we can't has nice things.
 
2008-10-14 2:44:48 PM  
Subby proves that we're more a nation of red herrings than strawmen.

Wait, what?
 
2008-10-14 2:50:03 PM  
"You see, I think that when it comes down to it, American politics is split into people who think it's their duty to care about other people, and those who think it's every man for themselves. That's it. That's why I think the system is systematically flawed and is in dire need of a third party to shake things up a little."

Pretty much this.
 
2008-10-14 2:51:15 PM  
Because they are farking farktards and ketchup is a vegetable
 
2008-10-14 2:54:55 PM  

cretinbob: Because they are farking farktards and ketchup is a vegetable


I thought Ketchup was a fruit?!
 
2008-10-14 3:01:23 PM  

King Something: Megain: you're part of the problem, submitter

Ironic, isn't it?


dontcha think?
 
2008-10-14 3:08:23 PM  
I find it ironic that Cummings spends most of this article trashing America and Americans - especially the ones who support Republicans - yet ends it with him wanting to become an American citizen.

He's fundamentally wrong on most of what he says. The American workforce is the most productive and competitive in the world today. The ILO has said that, and so has the World Economic Forum. So he can make trite comments about outsourcing, but the reason some jobs are outsourced is all about money, not productivity. A 'mediocre' American customer service representative is far more capable than the best Indian one, but the Indian gets paid 1/5, which makes it worth it to ship those jobs overseas. He should understand that.

It is impossible, in my opinion, to argue that America hasn't been a force for good in the world. The Iraq war does not cloud over the hundreds of thousands of American lives and the trillions of American dollars that have been given to promote freedom, end tyranny and feed and clothe the rest of the world. No country has had a bigger positive impact on the rest of the world as the US has had. Cummings should recognize that and not focus his whole attention on five years of arguably bad behavior.

It's unfortunate that Cummings didn't meet any Republicans with backbone enough to explain to him the things he either can't or won't understand.
 
2008-10-14 3:10:57 PM  

PenguinTheRed: 50mm: Americans have a skewed scale. They don't realize some places in the world don't fark you up the ass for basic things like health care food.

Skewed indeed.


Touche
 
2008-10-14 3:13:01 PM  
This is a good article, even if it is somewhat antagonistic.

Cumming touched on how differently the world views us as compared to how we view ourselves, and I'm not sure most Americans really grasp how large the gap is.

I've lived in Europe (Germany) for several stretches, the most recent being 2005-2006. Experiencing the lifestyle and talking with the people there is all sorts of enlightening. A lot of Europeans think that America as a country is, for the most part, ass-backwards and out of date: no viable health care system, no public transportation, a broken education system, a system of government that doesn't work, lax environmental regulation, I could go on and on.

IMO, they're generally right, and most of western Europe doesn't have these problems. Unfortunately, any attempt to move toward the progressive European ideal is met by reflexive cries of Socialism, which, everybody knows, could never be anything other than a bunch of commie bullshiat that would destroy our country. The frustrating thing is, these ideas work, and even a little shift of our government in that direction would do so much good for this country.

In that sense, Cumming is right, people are content with mediocrity. Especially that core of the lower-income, Amurca loving, Arab-hating, flag-waving republicans who don't know or don't care how much they would benefit from exactly this kind of change.

Sorry for the rant, but this really gets on my nerves.
 
2008-10-14 3:13:23 PM  

I_Love_Verdi: "You see, I think that when it comes down to it, American politics is split into people who think it's their duty to care about other people, and those who think it's every man for themselves. That's it. That's why I think the system is systematically flawed and is in dire need of a third party to shake things up a little."


This analysis is wrong, too.

It's not people who care vs. every man for themselves. Other than some crazy hermits on the far right, Republicans and Democrats alike recognize a duty to care about other people. The difference is in how that care is manifested.

Republicans care just as much about the next guy as Democrats do. We just don't have the same worldview. I would rather teach a man to fish than hand him one. I would rather ensure equality of opportunity than equality of outcome. I would rather curtail government services and spending if it means that everyone gets to keep more of what they earn. And I would rather give charitably to the causes I believe in than be forced to do so via taxation.

It's a BS argument that Democrats care about people and Republicans don't.
 
2008-10-14 3:14:41 PM  
and the trillions of American dollars that have been given to promote freedom, end tyranny and void where prohibited, offer does not apply to Chile, Nicaragua or when republicans are talking about Clinton in Bosnia.
 
2008-10-14 3:16:07 PM  
FTFA: If so, why are its bosses firing so many of them and giving the jobs to people in other countries?

BECAUSE THEY'RE CHEAPER, A$*HOLE!!!
 
2008-10-14 3:19:08 PM  
Labor productivity stats are notoriously difficult to compare across countries, but I've never seen anything suggesting that the US labor force was markedly more productive.

More troubling is our rapidly declining rate of graduate education. This will make us India and China's Mexico if we're not careful.
 
2008-10-14 3:22:47 PM  
DrBimka

How can you say they the Euros are right? Nearly every major city in America has multiple modes of public transportation and most suburban areas do too. You can complain that public transportation isn't available in rural areas, and that's true, but Europe isn't nearly as large as America. As for the environment, America has some of the strictest environmental regulations on the planet - ask anyone who runs a business here. Our education system where we spend more per capita on students than nearly every single other country on the planet, and we educate more students than all of Europe does. Why do Europeans send their children here for college? And you can argue about access to health care, but no one can claim that we don't have the highest quality health care in the world.

Western Europe has their own problems, just like we do. Their tax rates are enormous. Their unemployment is far higher, they have lower per capita GDP, and slower economic growth overall.

What drives me crazy is the idea that the Republicans who don't want to see the Europeanization of America are somehow stupid because they don't recognize they'd be better off. I think they understand that some things may be better, but some things wouldn't be better, and they'd have to sacrifice some things that are fundamentally American in order to do that. And they look at the benefits and the costs, and they think the costs are too high.
 
2008-10-14 3:28:09 PM  
DeltaXi65

Your claims are now bordering on the ridiculous.

And you can argue about access to health care, but no one can claim that we don't have the highest quality health care in the world.
Higher per capita cost and higher infant mortality than many European countries says not the case.

Their tax rates are enormous

Germany has a lower tax rate as a percentage of GDP than us and they are the largest country in the world.

The generalisations that the article makes miss the point and aren't conducive to intelligent analysis. Neither are yours.
 
2008-10-14 3:28:53 PM  

DeltaXi65: What drives me crazy is the idea that the Republicans who don't want to see the Europeanization of America are somehow stupid because they don't recognize they'd be better off.


Personally, if I wanted to live in a society that mirrored Western Europe I'd just move there. But that's just me.
 
2008-10-14 3:31:07 PM  
Oh and comparisons of tax rates between Europe and US typically don't include the additional cost of healthcare which americans have removed from their paycheque by an insurance company not by the government.
 
2008-10-14 3:37:34 PM  

Tigger: Higher per capita cost and higher infant mortality than many European countries says not the case.


That has nothing to do with the quality of the care. Yes, it costs more, but you're getting what you pay for. And higher infant mortality is easily explained by the fact that American birth rates are higher than European birth rates.

Germany has a lower tax rate as a percentage of GDP than us and they are the largest country in the world.

This doesn't make any sense.
 
2008-10-14 3:45:26 PM  
Germany has a lower tax rate as a percentage of GDP than us and they are the largest country in the world.

world = Europe, my error

And higher infant mortality is easily explained by the fact that American birth rates are higher than European birth rates.


It's a percentage statistic. so that has no impact.

On many indicators of public health such as life expectancy and infant mortality America doesn't do very well.

Don't know why that causes such a problem for you.
 
2008-10-14 3:47:38 PM  

DeltaXi65: And higher infant mortality is easily explained by the fact that American birth rates are higher than European birth rates.


I don't understand this argument. Infant mortality rates are generally listed as Deaths per 1,000 live births. Higher birth rates shouldn't factor in at all.
 
2008-10-14 4:01:22 PM  

ExJerseyGirl: I don't understand this argument. Infant mortality rates are generally listed as Deaths per 1,000 live births. Higher birth rates shouldn't factor in at all.


I wasn't speaking of infant mortality rates, I was speaking of the flat number. I should have been more clear.

That being said, the wiki for infant mortality points out:

While the United States reports every case of infant mortality, it has been suggested that some other developed countries do not. A 2006 article in U.S. News & World Report claims that "First, it's shaky ground to compare U.S. infant mortality with reports from other countries. The United States counts all births as live if they show any sign of life, regardless of prematurity or size. This includes what many other countries report as stillbirths. In Austria and Germany, fetal weight must be at least 500 grams (1 pound) to count as a live birth; in other parts of Europe, such as Switzerland, the fetus must be at least 30 centimeters (12 inches) long. In Belgium and France, births at less than 26 weeks of pregnancy are registered as lifeless. And some countries don't reliably register babies who die within the first 24 hours of birth. Thus, the United States is sure to report higher infant mortality rates. For this very reason, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which collects the European numbers, warns of head-to-head comparisons by country.

It's a stretch to claim that the United States doesn't have the best quality health care in the world by pointing out one or two statistics that have a marginal relationship to the quality of care. That's my overall point.
 
2008-10-14 4:15:13 PM  
Dude, you don't mess with the Emcee.
 
2008-10-14 4:21:39 PM  
Type-os and piss poor grammar is just another service I offer!
 
2008-10-14 4:33:44 PM  
Nothing quite like an editorial from someone that really doesn't understand what they are talking about....
 
2008-10-14 4:39:01 PM  
DeltaXi65

Nearly every major city in America has multiple modes of public transportation and most suburban areas do too

Right, key word major. Outside of major metropolises (chicago, NYC, DC, etc) the quality of public transportation is very poor. I understand that it's practically impossible to implement a European system in the US; US is sprawl, whereas "suburban" Europe is denser clusters of homes dotted around, almost like dozens of separate small villages (bad analogy, but you get it), so they're easier to link and public transportation is more viable. That notwithstanding, the US system does have the potential to be significantly improved.

America has some of the strictest environmental regulations on the planet

True, but for the most part, Europe's are stricter. Take for example auto emissions. Only California has standards approaching that of the EU's.

Our education system where we spend more per capita on students than nearly every single other country on the planet, and we educate more students than all of Europe does. Why do Europeans send their children here for college

Remember, quantity is not quality. Now, I only have experience with Germany's education system, so I won't generalize. Germany's system is rather confusing - kids get split off in groups based on aptitude and funneled into different channels. But, they do provide, tuition-free, at least three different levels of secondary education, the highest of which is college education up to their Diplom, which is equivalent to the US master's degree. They educate their brightest students based on aptitude, not who can afford college. Also, Europeans coming here for exchange is common, but for a full college education doesn't happen very often.

No one can claim that we don't have the highest quality health care in the world

For the rich, maybe we do. But US life expectancy is ranked behind almost all of Western Europe, and I can't find statistics now, but I have several times seen figures showing that the US pays more and receives less compared to these countries. Also, their state subsidized insurance allows everybody to receive preventative care, so people don't only go to the hospital when they are deathly ill and end up spending thousands.

Western Europe has their own problems, just like we do. Their tax rates are enormous. Their unemployment is far higher, they have lower per capita GDP, and slower economic growth overall.

Tigger addressed this nicely.

What drives me crazy is the idea that the Republicans who don't want to see the Europeanization of America are somehow stupid because they don't recognize they'd be better off.

I'm not saying all republicans. I'm saying many lower-income republicans don't realize that they are exactly the group that benefits the most from this kind of system.
 
2008-10-14 4:41:06 PM  
You know what? I'm sorry to be blunt, and I wish it were not true, but America isn't any of the above. Its poor downtrodden, unhealthy, under-educated and depressed workforce cannot surely believe it towers above all others in some sort of World Worker Idol type way? If so, why are its bosses firing so many of them and giving the jobs to people in other countries?



This guy is a slobbering idiot. The answer to his question is that our corporate overlords move jobs overseas because they save money when paying chinese workers to work on assembly lines in unsafe and dirty working conditions for crappy pay. lower labor costs, keep prices high and everyone in the board room gets a bonus check.

American workers really ARE better. we're the most productive and motivated workforce imaginable. But we're expensive. we're uppity. we expect to be rewarded for our efforts. And if we're not rewarded, or if we feel we're being taken advantage of by someone - then we speak up about it. And that smart ass back talking flippant attitude isn't something that a CEO wants to see in his wageslaves.
 
2008-10-14 5:50:01 PM  

Weaver95: You know what? I'm sorry to be blunt, and I wish it were not true, but America isn't any of the above. Its poor downtrodden, unhealthy, under-educated and depressed workforce cannot surely believe it towers above all others in some sort of World Worker Idol type way? If so, why are its bosses firing so many of them and giving the jobs to people in other countries?

This guy is a slobbering idiot. The answer to his question is that our corporate overlords move jobs overseas because they save money when paying chinese workers to work on assembly lines in unsafe and dirty working conditions for crappy pay. lower labor costs, keep prices high and everyone in the board room gets a bonus check.

American workers really ARE better. we're the most productive and motivated workforce imaginable. But we're expensive. we're uppity. we expect to be rewarded for our efforts. And if we're not rewarded, or if we feel we're being taken advantage of by someone - then we speak up about it. And that smart ass back talking flippant attitude isn't something that a CEO wants to see in his wageslaves.


The main problem is the author doesn't realize that apart from a SMALL handful of nations, America does massively tower over the rest of the world in every except, as you said, cost. The countries where the quality of products is superior to ours...have the exact same problems that we do and are struggling with outsourcing and all that crap too. I am looking at you, Germany. America has a BIG workforce, and by being so big, we have a mix of morons, lazy, geniuses and the highly motivated. It's a blessing and a curse. The other problem is not the workforce, but the product. Japanese cars have long busted our ass in quality, not just price. If we build shiat, we can have the best workforce in the world, and it means nothing. Innovation seems to hit industries by waves. We need more of it and more consistently.

The other problem is the idea of Professional CEOs with degrees from Harvard Business School. I worked 3 failed jobs in a row either run by or financially managed by HBS idiots. Most Japanese tech companies have actual engineers and physicists heading most things. There's a reason why Jobs and Gates are so successful.
 
2008-10-14 5:51:06 PM  

Megain: submitter: In an article containing numerous spelling and grammatical errors, Huffington Post writer asks "Why Are Americans So Content With Mediocrity?"

i see that "quote" nowhere in the link. you're part of the problem, submitter


You did look at the article, right? Did you notice the headline?
 
2008-10-14 5:58:24 PM  
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2008-10-14 6:00:00 PM  

hershmire: You did look at the article, right? Did you notice the headline?


yes. and i'm aware of the difference between 'are americans' and 'is america'. the fark headline misquotes the article's headline. didn't you notice that?
 
2008-10-14 6:00:15 PM  
Wow,
A dedicated grammar-spelling-nazi thread!

This will not end well!
 
2008-10-14 6:04:39 PM  
by... Alan Cumming.

wait, hold on a second, Nightcrawler is a staffwriter at the Huffington Post?
 
2008-10-14 6:06:58 PM  
I can has meaty okra?
 
2008-10-14 6:08:06 PM  
Either today is No-Ad-Hominem-Attacks day... or the folks who don't like the article simply aren't aware of who Alan Cumming IS.

/came for the Cabaret pictures
/leaving astounded to have seen none at all
 
2008-10-14 6:09:03 PM  
IMDB says he was in Spice World. Why is he so content with mediocrity?
 
2008-10-14 6:10:57 PM  
who care's abuot grammar U NO WAT IM TRYING 2 SAY
 
2008-10-14 6:12:24 PM  
*BAMF*
 
2008-10-14 6:15:26 PM  
Say what you will about the article, but The Anniversary Party was great.
 
2008-10-14 6:17:59 PM  
Yeah, this guy is allied with the Mutants, the Russians and the Floops.

He was part of attempt to brainwash kids into joining the military with pop music, and he once attempted to assault the President in the Oval Office. We can't trust him.
 
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