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(Wall Street Journal)   John McCain: "We need to allow ROTC on college campuses." College audience: "BOOOOO." Obama: "I agree with Sen. McCain." Same college audience: "[crickets]"   (online.wsj.com) divider line
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vartian
2008-09-30 3:15:45 PM  
Drop the idiocy of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and you can have them on campus. This isn't hard to understand; the military is run by bigots and the colleges they want to recruit at forbid companies with bigoted hiring practices.

Change the rules, or go the fark home.
 
burndtdan
2008-09-30 3:19:32 PM  
did something change? they had rotc on campus when i was in college.
 
Nemo's Brother
2008-09-30 3:20:08 PM  
Typical Liberal Hypocrites.
 
vartian
2008-09-30 3:22:18 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Typical Liberal Hypocrites.


Typical bigoted military thinking from 1950. Change the rules and you get to play ball.
 
Nabb1
2008-09-30 3:22:33 PM  

vartian: Drop the idiocy of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and you can have them on campus. This isn't hard to understand; the military is run by bigots and the colleges they want to recruit at forbid companies with bigoted hiring practices.


Congress made that rule, not the military. (10 US 654)
 
The Stealth Hippopotamus
2008-09-30 3:23:52 PM  

vartian: Change the rules, or go the fark home.


You don't want the federal gubmit on your campus? Fine they will leave and take all those evil government dollars with them.
 
The Stealth Hippopotamus
2008-09-30 3:24:51 PM  

vartian: Change the rules and you get to play ball.


LOL'ed

Sorry but that's the kind of day I am having.
 
what_now
2008-09-30 3:25:28 PM  
My college, in Massachusettes, had ROTC on campus.

It's possible I slept wit....

Green? Never mind.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2008-09-30 3:25:30 PM  

Nabb1: vartian: Drop the idiocy of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and you can have them on campus. This isn't hard to understand; the military is run by bigots and the colleges they want to recruit at forbid companies with bigoted hiring practices.

Congress made that rule, not the military. (10 US 654)


I might add that the antipathy toward ROTC runs all the way back to the Vietnam years and has nothing to do with DADT. Simple matter of college administrators looking down their noses at the military as a career choice.
 
what_now
2008-09-30 3:26:58 PM  

vartian: Drop the idiocy of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and you can have them on campus. This isn't hard to understand; the military is run by bigots and the colleges they want to recruit at forbid companies with bigoted hiring practices.

Change the rules, or go the fark home.


Don't ask, Don't tell has NOTHING to do with this. This is from Vietnam, when student groups demanded that ROTC be kicked off campus, and a good number of schools complied.
 
scruffy1
2008-09-30 3:27:16 PM  

Nabb1: vartian: Drop the idiocy of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and you can have them on campus. This isn't hard to understand; the military is run by bigots and the colleges they want to recruit at forbid companies with bigoted hiring practices.

Congress made that rule, not the military. (10 US 654)


this. and I agree that ROTC should be allowed in college campuses as well as in K-12. Many an undiciplined kids that I knew actually shaped up really nicely and became productive members of society due to JROTC and later ROTC, most did not pursue the military afterwards but they were much better people due to it.

/results may vary from person to person
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2008-09-30 3:27:17 PM  
Is anyone else chuckling at the idiocy of the college audience who reflexively booed the idea when they heard it from McCain, but when His Eminence agreed, realized they hadn't actually given the matter any serious thought at all?
 
pandabear
2008-09-30 3:27:40 PM  
You Can't Fix Stupid: college administrators looking down their noses at the military as a career choice

You'd think they'd see it as a way to finance higher education, wouldn't you? Complete with guaranteed internships and employment.
 
Dan the Schman
2008-09-30 3:27:44 PM  
I wonder why they didn't quote more than one word of McCain's response?

On the one hand, the students could have expressed a knee-jerk bias...

On the other, McCain may have been less compassionate in his response, and that's what the students were booing.

There's a world of difference between

"I think it would be a good decision to re-examine the ban, I believe that many students could benefit from such a program and no student would be forced or coerced into signing up if they didn't want."

and

"This is a dangerous time and this ban is unpatriotic and unAmerican and if we don't re-examine it, the terrorists win."

Yes, the students could be reactionary douchebags... but it's not like McCain doesn't have a long history of douchebaggery himself.
 
albo
2008-09-30 3:28:56 PM  

You Can't Fix Stupid: might add that the antipathy toward ROTC runs all the way back to the Vietnam years and has nothing to do with DADT. Simple matter of college administrators looking down their noses at the military as a career choice.


because those baby boomers who protested in the 1960s are now the professors and deans
 
what_now
2008-09-30 3:29:26 PM  

scruffy1: Many an undiciplined kids that I knew actually shaped up really nicely and became productive members of society due to JROTC and later ROTC, most did not pursue the military afterwards but they were much better people due to it.


No, not really. If you do ROTC and DON'T go into the military, you owe the fedgov whatever they shelled out for college.

/Had never heard of JROTC before I met bf.
//don't understand it
 
meatofmystery
2008-09-30 3:29:31 PM  
let's get this over with:

LIBBY fagS!


REPUBLITARDS!


/covered.
 
Yanks_RSJ
2008-09-30 3:29:33 PM  

You Can't Fix Stupid: Is anyone else chuckling at the idiocy of the college audience who reflexively booed the idea when they heard it from McCain, but when His Eminence agreed, realized they hadn't actually given the matter any serious thought at all?


I'm not really chuckling, because their uninformed votes count just as much as anybody else's.
 
CaKeY
2008-09-30 3:29:59 PM  
My first faceplam =)


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GavinTheAlmighty
2008-09-30 3:30:00 PM  
Canadian universities have the reserve forces recruiting and advertising all the time. There's no permanent setup on the campuses but at any career fair, you can bet that the forces will have the biggest booth set up and they'll be giving away the most free crap (aside from IBM). Is that the same thing?
 
toonz
2008-09-30 3:30:00 PM  
well, he is the messiah, after all...

that's what Jesus' party keeps telling me, anyway.
/Jesus is back, btw, and she's a chick from Alaska this time.
//confused.
 
The Stealth Hippopotamus
2008-09-30 3:30:02 PM  

You Can't Fix Stupid: Is anyone else chuckling at the idiocy of the college audience who reflexively booed the idea when they heard it from McCain, but when His Eminence agreed, realized they hadn't actually given the matter any serious thought at all?


HAHA I wonder if they understand he is running to be Commander-in-Chief as well as President.

Yeah that organization you just booed? Yeah he is trying to become the leader of that.
 
The Black Spy
2008-09-30 3:30:26 PM  
Is that a pledge pin on your uniform!!
 
the_chief
2008-09-30 3:31:04 PM  
Don't care.
 
IXI Jim IXI
2008-09-30 3:31:10 PM  
Of course they were silent. They were probably shocked shiatless.
 
vartian
2008-09-30 3:31:25 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: vartian: Change the rules and you get to play ball.

LOL'ed

Sorry but that's the kind of day I am having.


Well now I did as well :)
 
albo
2008-09-30 3:31:42 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: I'm not really chuckling, because their uninformed votes count just as much as anybody else's.


yeah.

my vote is probably going to be cancelled out by alec baldwin or lindsay lohan or some 18-year-old from Slippery Rock State University who filled out an absentee ballot because the obama organizer who was handing them out was cute
 
DontMakeMeComeBackThere
2008-09-30 3:31:47 PM  

Dan the Schman: I wonder why they didn't quote more than one word of McCain's response?

On the one hand, the students could have expressed a knee-jerk bias...

On the other, McCain may have been less compassionate in his response, and that's what the students were booing.

There's a world of difference between

"I think it would be a good decision to re-examine the ban, I believe that many students could benefit from such a program and no student would be forced or coerced into signing up if they didn't want."

and

"This is a dangerous time and this ban is unpatriotic and unAmerican and if we don't re-examine it, the terrorists win."

Yes, the students are could be reactionary douchebags... but it's not like McCain doesn't have a long history of douchebaggery himself.


FIFY
 
what_now
2008-09-30 3:31:51 PM  
Also, the premise of this article, that college kids booed when one person said something, and cheered when the other said the same thing, is stupid.

Most people watch the debate for sport, not because they're trying to make up their minds. There is nothing John McCain could say to make me vote for him.
 
Surpheon
2008-09-30 3:31:55 PM  
So Senator Obama managed to present an unpopular position in a manner that did not win him accolades, but managed to not piss off people. What's this prove about the success of John McCain's "angry old man" style of diplomacy over Senator Obama's brand?
 
theorellior
2008-09-30 3:32:01 PM  

scruffy1: this. and I agree that ROTC should be allowed in college campuses as well as in K-12.


I can't wait to see my 1st-grade niece in her fatigues doing marksmanship training.
 
captain_heroic44
2008-09-30 3:32:18 PM  
Of course, Obama also recognized the legitimacy of those who differed with his point of view, and spoke respectfully to them instead of disdainfully. But let's not acknowledge facts which are inconvenient to our ideological polemic.
 
FishingWithFredo
2008-09-30 3:32:29 PM  
We didn't need more evidence that support of Obama often makes no sense. But I appreciate it anyway.
 
Goonie_Goo_Goo
2008-09-30 3:32:32 PM  

The Black Spy: Is that a pledge pin on your uniform!!


Dammit, you beat me to it!
 
Likwit
2008-09-30 3:32:33 PM  
Dur.
 
agentyx
2008-09-30 3:32:45 PM  

vartian: Drop the idiocy of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and you can have them on campus. This isn't hard to understand; the military is run by bigots and the colleges they want to recruit at forbid companies with bigoted hiring practices.

Change the rules, or go the fark home.


I agree, if the colleges don't want to allow the ROTC onto campus- they shouldn't have to.

BUT... IF THEY DON'T allow them onto campus, I agree THEY SHOULD HAVE ALL THEIR FEDERAL FUNDING SUSPENDED.
 
tortilla burger
2008-09-30 3:32:57 PM  
What's wrong with ROTC?
 
R.A.Danny
2008-09-30 3:33:04 PM  
Younger people seem to be bigger fans of Obama than McCain. Not exactly a newsflash.
 
steamingpile
2008-09-30 3:33:06 PM  

vartian: Drop the idiocy of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and you can have them on campus. This isn't hard to understand; the military is run by bigots and the colleges they want to recruit at forbid companies with bigoted hiring practices.

Change the rules, or go the fark home.


You can join if your gay they just dont want to know about it, thats a far cry from how it was when they would arrest you, throw you in jail and leave them there for a few years because of sexual preference.

Get over it, sex is distracting when bullets are being shot at you
 
7of7
2008-09-30 3:33:18 PM  
Why is this such a big deal? Does it matter whether the ROTC is on campus or not?
 
ZombieCohagen
2008-09-30 3:33:25 PM  
what is the big deal, it is a fun dice game, much like poker... jeez college kids today
 
theorellior
2008-09-30 3:33:33 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: I'm not really chuckling, because their uninformed votes count just as much as anybody else's.


Like all those hockey moms who think they can be president because they were in the PTA.
 
bump
2008-09-30 3:33:47 PM  
I don't understand all the stink about this. We had ROTC in our HS and college. A lot of the kids got a good career and college education out of it - I don't understand the hate.

/democrat
 
xtragrind
2008-09-30 3:33:57 PM  
They would boo anything he said because MTV tells them McCain is bad.
 
bikerific
2008-09-30 3:33:57 PM  
Well, then, I shall certainly not vote for "college audience" for president.
 
FLMountainMan
2008-09-30 3:34:16 PM  

what_now: Also, the premise of this article, that college kids booed when one person said something, and cheered when the other said the same thing, is stupid.


How is an observation of an occurence stupid?
 
what_now
2008-09-30 3:34:18 PM  

albo: my vote is probably going to be cancelled out by alec baldwin or lindsay lohan or some 18-year-old from Slippery Rock State University who filled out an absentee ballot because the obama organizer who was handing them out was cute


Alec Baldwin and Lindsay Lohan live in Pennsylvania?
 
ToxicVodka
2008-09-30 3:34:21 PM  

vartian: Drop the idiocy of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and you can have them on campus. This isn't hard to understand; the military is run by bigots and the colleges they want to recruit at forbid companies with bigoted hiring practices.

Change the rules, or go the fark home.


Thinking with your butthole again, eh?
 
wrightb71
2008-09-30 3:34:25 PM  
So how did they get the exact same audience? Even if it was the same school, I doubt they had the same individuals.
 
toonz
2008-09-30 3:34:30 PM  

what_now: Also, the premise of this article, that college kids booed when one person said something, and cheered when the other said the same thing, is stupid.

Most people watch the debate for sport, not because they're trying to make up their minds. There is nothing John McCain could say to make me vote for him.


I can think of something...
Mark me down for a mere 0.05 % of the bailout package Johnny, and I will vote for you. Me vote you long time!
 
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