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2008-09-23 11:51:49 PM  
So, DHS... what am I thinking about?
 
2008-09-24 12:16:14 AM  
I think I remember an article like this from a while ago...
 
2008-09-24 12:21:42 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: So, DHS... what am I thinking about?


Goat penis, your usual.

The Computer is your friend.
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2008-09-24 12:24:26 AM  
It has a series of sensors and imagers that read your body temperature, heart rate and respiration for unconscious tells invisible to the naked eye - signals terrorists and criminals may display in advance of an attack.

This isn't reading your mind, it's reading physiological responses. The only problem I can see is that these physiological responses not only can be detected in terrorists about to pounce, but in people who are nervous about being detected as a terrorist about to pounce.
 
2008-09-24 12:51:19 AM  

Kome: The only problem I can see is that these physiological responses not only can be detected in terrorists about to pounce, but in people who are nervous about being detected as a terrorist about to pounce.


Or who are nervous about any of the other million much more likely reasons a person would be nervous in an airport, like having to deal with asinine, invasive, and pointless "security" restrictions.
 
2008-09-24 12:51:24 AM  
and just last week, Homeland Security put it to a field test in Maryland, scanning 144 mostly unwitting human subjects.

What do you mean, 4th amendment??
 
2008-09-24 12:51:37 AM  
This is an identical link that was redlit not moments ago. Weird.

This reads like a press release. Keep in mind the author of this article works for the government

Here's one paragraph:
If you're rushed or stressed, you may send out signals of anxiety, but FAST isn't fooled. It's already good enough to tell the difference between a harried traveler and a terrorist. Even if you sweat heavily by nature, FAST won't mistake you for a baddie.

and two paragraphs later:
While FAST's batting average is classified, Undersecretary for Science and Technology Adm. Jay Cohen declared the experiment a "home run."

Propaganda at it's finest.
 
2008-09-24 12:52:20 AM  
But then I was all Tuskeegee airmen.....
 
2008-09-24 12:55:30 AM  
...searches your body for non-verbal cues that predict whether you mean harm to your fellow passengers

2-4 minutes per passenger, I would mean harm to everyone in the airport.
 
2008-09-24 12:59:35 AM  

Kome: The only problem I can see is that these physiological responses not only can be detected in terrorists about to pounce, but in people who are nervous about being detected as a terrorist about to pounce.


Not to mention someone who, frustrated with the latest surcharge surprise and the helpless ticket agent, are briefly fantasizing about the effects of a nuclear suitcase on the three-year-old screaming ten feet away.
 
2008-09-24 1:05:30 AM  
If you don't think like a terrorist, you have nothing to worry about.
 
2008-09-24 1:08:14 AM  
Fortunately, I have trained myself to make my mind a complete blank. This has come in handy on more than one occasion.
 
2008-09-24 1:14:30 AM  

oldebayer: Fortunately, I have trained myself to make my mind a complete blank. This has come in handy on more than one occasion.


You talk like a terrorist.
 
2008-09-24 1:33:27 AM  
Oh how wonderful! A machine that can read my mind as I pass through the gauntlet of idiots that make up the TSA airport staff. I guess I should bring my own K Y Jelly.
 
2008-09-24 1:42:15 AM  
I'm going to GITMO aren't I?
 
2008-09-24 1:42:36 AM  

oldebayer: Fortunately, I have trained myself to make my mind a complete blank. This has come in handy on more than one occasion.


I out you as Sarah Palin.
 
2008-09-24 1:50:13 AM  
submitter: Better try not to THINK about anything, either

Shouldn't be a problem for most Americans.
 
2008-09-24 1:55:23 AM  
The good news here, such as it is, is that this device is totally useless. It's basically a polygraph without the wires, and no more "reads your mind" than that fat lady with three teeth and the tarot cards at the county fair. It'll get so many false positives they'll have to just ignore it, and even if they didn't it wouldn't catch the kind of cold-blooded calculation like we saw in the 9/11 hijackers anyway.

Once again, the only thing saving us from tyranny is the incompetence of the would-be tyrants.
 
2008-09-24 1:59:07 AM  
Don't think bout the bomb...
Don't think about the bomb...
Don't think about the bomb...
Don't think about the bomb...
Enola was sooooo gay...
Don't think about the bomb...
 
2008-09-24 2:07:32 AM  
Great, so when I go through feeling quite honestly like wanting to kill the screeners, the squealing kid in front of me, and its dumbarse mother who thinks two rollers, a pram, a carseat, a nappy bag, and 3 kids is appropriate in the black 'expert traveller' lane, then I am getting the glove??

FTFA: But DHS says this is not Big Brother. Once you are through the FAST portal, your scrutiny is over and records aren't kept. "Your data is dumped," said Burns. "The information is not maintained - it doesn't track who you are."

I call bullshiat. When has the government - specifically this government - ever collected information on us and then 'dumped' it. Storage is cheap. No fakring way this information gets discarded.

torch: What do you mean, 4th amendment??

Hey, it's just a piece of paper. Anyway, the SCOTUS decided a long time ago that half of the bill or rights no longer apply, in all sorts of cases.

Also, why do you hate America? Supreme leader says you are either with us or against us, you turrist supporter!
 
2008-09-24 2:10:30 AM  

And-1: I call bullshiat. When has the government - specifically this government - ever collected information on us and then 'dumped' it. Storage is cheap. No fakring way this information gets discarded


I think it's plausible. Not because I don't think the government would lie about it, but because this information is completely and totally useless even if for some reason they did decide to start investing you.
 
2008-09-24 2:16:11 AM  
What if I'm just feeling sweaty and tense because I've got to drop a load and I'm stuck on this long security line to get into the goddamned terminal?
 
2008-09-24 2:29:10 AM  
Churchill2004: I think it's plausible. Not because I don't think the government would lie about it, but because this information is completely and totally useless even if for some reason they did decide to start investing you.

So my investment in tinfoil hats is not going to pay off? Hard to believe, very hard indeed.
 
2008-09-24 2:36:12 AM  
But what about us among you who are generally pizzed off at life and about to snap, yet still in control and of no real threat to anyone? I mean, I basically am pizzed from the time I get up until the time I get home. But then I sit back with a cool brew and all is good.

Trying to prevent crime before it happens is a fine edged knife that is likely to cut a whole lot more innocent people than the 19 guilty ones every 10 or 20 years.

But maybe it's okay to accuse the masses to prevent one incident a decade.

/paranoia will destroy ya
//it is far better to be pizzed off than pizzed on
 
2008-09-24 3:54:03 AM  

oldebayer: Fortunately, I have trained myself to make my mind a complete blank. This has come in handy on more than one occasion.


I know. I've read your FARK posts.
 
2008-09-24 4:59:16 AM  

propasaurus: oldebayer: Fortunately, I have trained myself to make my mind a complete blank. This has come in handy on more than one occasion.

I know. I've read your FARK posts.


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2008-09-24 5:04:24 AM  
Jesus, imagine this at LaGuardia.

You've got all the New Yorkers, who hate everyone on general principle, and then you have the TSA, who everyone hates on general principle. To top it off they're all waiting in a line forever (because, of course, everyone in front of them needs "special screening").

Hell, I'd pay to see that.
 
2008-09-24 5:12:24 AM  
FTFA: you're rushed or stressed, you may send out signals of anxiety, but FAST isn't fooled. It's already good enough to tell the difference between a harried traveler and a terrorist. Even if you sweat heavily by nature, FAST won't mistake you for a baddie.

Yeah, right... Because DHS has such a great track record with computers/screening processes.
 
2008-09-24 5:15:18 AM  
MALINTENT...searches your body for non-verbal cues that predict whether you mean harm to your fellow passengers.

Every passenger is gonna get flagged then. Nothing pisses people off like flying the 'friendly' skies nowadays. I regularly want to ring the neck of the person standing/sitting in front me.
 
2008-09-24 5:29:24 AM  
He could not help feeling a twinge of panic. It was absurd, since the writing of those particular words was not more dangerous than the initial act of opening the diary, but for a moment he was tempted to tear out the spoiled pages and abandon the enterprise altogether.

He did not do so, however, because he knew that it was useless. Whether he wrote DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER, or whether he refrained from writing it, made no difference. Whether he went on with the diary, or whether he did not go on with it, made no difference. The Thought Police would get him just the same. He had committed - would still have committed, even if he had never set pen to paper - the essential crime that contained all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, they called it. Thoughtcrime was not a thing that could be concealed for ever. You might dodge successfully for a while, even for years, but sooner or later they were bound to get you.

It was always at night - the arrests invariably happened at night. The sudden jerk out of sleep, the rough hand shaking your shoulder, the lights glaring in your eyes, the ring of hard faces round the bed. In the vast majority of cases there was no trial, no report of the arrest. People simply disappeared, always during the night. Your name was removed from the registers, every record of everything you had ever done was wiped out, your one-time existence was denied and then forgotten. You were abolished, annihilated: vapourized was the usual word.

----------------------------------

'Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed, will be expressed by exactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten. Already, in the Eleventh Edition, we're not far from that point. But the process will still be continuing long after you and I are dead. Every year fewer and fewer words, and the range of consciousness always a little smaller. Even now, of course, there's no reason or excuse for committing thoughtcrime. It's merely a question of self-discipline, reality-control. But in the end there won't be any need even for that. The Revolution will be complete when the language is perfect. Newspeak is Ingsoc and Ingsoc is Newspeak,' he added with a sort of mystical satisfaction. 'Has it ever occurred to you, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?'

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'You asked me once,' said O'Brien, 'what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.'

The door opened again. A guard came in, carrying something made of wire, a box or basket of some kind. He set it down on the further table. Because of the position in which O'Brien was standing. Winston could not see what the thing was.

'The worst thing in the world,' said O'Brien, 'varies from individual to individual. It may be burial alive, or death by fire, or by drowning, or by impalement, or fifty other deaths. There are cases where it is some quite trivial thing, not even fatal.'

He had moved a little to one side, so that Winston had a better view of the thing on the table. It was an oblong wire cage with a handle on top for carrying it by. Fixed to the front of it was something that looked like a fencing mask, with the concave side outwards. Although it was three or four metres away from him, he could see that the cage was divided lengthways into two compartments, and that there was some kind of creature in each. They were rats.

'In your case,' said O'Brien, 'the worst thing in the world happens to be rats.'

A sort of premonitory tremor, a fear of he was not certain what, had passed through Winston as soon as he caught his first glimpse of the cage. But at this moment the meaning of the mask-like attachment in front of it suddenly sank into him. His bowels seemed to turn to water.

'You can't do that!' he cried out in a high cracked voice. 'You couldn't, you couldn't! It's impossible.'

'Do you remember,' said O'Brien, 'the moment of panic that used to occur in your dreams? There was a wall of blackness in front of you, and a roaring sound in your ears. There was something terrible on the other side of the wall. You knew that you knew what it was, but you dared not drag it into the open. It was the rats that were on the other side of the wall.'
 
2008-09-24 5:30:02 AM  
Ha haha ha! All the crap I've read here about the UK being a Nanny State "Orwellian nightmare". I'll take the dumb CCTVs thanks. How long till these things are in banks and Wal-Mart in the name of "security"?
 
2008-09-24 5:30:02 AM  
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Been done already.
 
2008-09-24 5:30:40 AM  
So if you're carrying a bomb on to a plane you'd just drop a valium and wash it down with a couple of beers.

/Why yes I'm unusually calm
 
2008-09-24 5:31:24 AM  
SnoreCriminal: Wordswordswords

Yeah, you know you can just say "1984" or "Orwell" and have the same effect with much less effort. That just makes me scroll faster.
 
2008-09-24 5:52:32 AM  
If you're a cold blooded psychopath your physiological reactions are probably different than those of a normal person on the same mission. Or, even better, you're a cold blooded psychopath who ISNT on a mission and you get pulled out for a cavity search anyway, thereby exacerbating your existing hatred.
 
2008-09-24 6:02:17 AM  
FTA: Baggagepipe searches are SOOOOOO early-21st century.

FREEDOM!!!

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2008-09-24 6:34:41 AM  
And freedom dies a little more. The problem is that if your goal is to attack civilians, it's easy to find unprotected targets. Do you think that one or two unarmed security guard in the shopping mall or school would be able to stop a heavily armed nut job, let alone a team of terrorists? And what about car and truck bombs, are we going to harden every public building? The only thing that we will achieve as we strive for security is tyranny.

/Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. (my favorite paraphrase)
// "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.": Benjamin Franklin (the original)
 
2008-09-24 6:56:07 AM  
It's beginning to look a lot like Oceania
Everywhere you go
The pundits all self-fellate
During the two minute hate
On your local cable news show
 
2008-09-24 7:04:14 AM  
Came for the 1984 references, was not disappointed.

/Oooh! The chocolate ration has been increased to 20 grams per week!
//Loves me the Victory Gin!
///Orwellian Slashies FTW!
 
2008-09-24 7:32:36 AM  
So when will they run the presidential candidates through this thing?
 
2008-09-24 7:36:47 AM  
Churchill2004:
It'll get so many false positives they'll have to just ignore it, and even if they didn't it wouldn't catch the kind of cold-blooded calculation like we saw in the 9/11 hijackers anyway.

Yeah, who's going to be more nervous, me wondering if my computer will be stolen from my checked bag, or a terrorist who believes he's striking a much-needed blow for his people, and will soon be enjoying an eternal reward in heaven?
 
2008-09-24 7:41:39 AM  
/submitted this with a better headline
 
2008-09-24 7:42:31 AM  
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.

"People should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people!" - "V"

"Thoſe who would give up Essential Liberty to purchaſe a little Temporary Safety, deſerve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- diplomat Richard Jackson, misquoing Benjamin Franklin...
"Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power." -- Benjamin Franklin


"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animating contest of freedom--go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!" -- Samuel Adams

"It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from the government. -- Thomas Paine

"What country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. It is its natural manure." -- Thomas Jefferson

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! -- Patrick Henry, 3/23/1775
 
2008-09-24 7:45:46 AM  
No Such Agency: Yeah, who's going to be more nervous, me wondering if my computer will be stolen from my checked bag, or a terrorist who believes he's striking a much-needed blow for his people, and will soon be enjoying an eternal reward in heaven?

This is not to catch terrorists; it will eventually be used to catch dissidents who are on the run-- potential political prisoners who in a prior age would have been called patriots. Not to Godwin the thread or anything, but rest assured, Hitler and his ilk would have used this technology to track Jews trying to make a run for it.

"Papers please"
"You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide".
"Come along quietly, or there'll be... trouble".
 
2008-09-24 7:57:58 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: So, DHS... what am I thinking about?


[DHS]: "Something about a bowl, eating, and a bunch of guys named Richard...."
 
2008-09-24 8:02:57 AM  
Immunity from false arrest is all the manufacturer really wants.

Oh that and a bazillion dollars.

Then you can find the thing on every cop car, building entrance and city street.

People who don't register on these gadgets will prosper, breeding a new race of supermen.

Did I leave anything out?

//profit
 
2008-09-24 8:11:25 AM  
Think unsexy thoughts. Think unsexy thoughts. Think unsexy thoughts.

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2008-09-24 8:14:53 AM  
MALINTENT, the brainchild of the cutting-edge Human Factors division in Homeland Security's directorate for Science and Technology, searches your body for non-verbal cues that predict whether you mean harm to your fellow passengers.

It has a series of sensors and imagers that read your body temperature, heart rate and respiration for unconscious tells invisible to the naked eye - signals terrorists and criminals may display in advance of an attack.

But this is no polygraph test. Subjects do not get hooked up or strapped down for a careful reading; those sensors do all the work without any actual physical contact. It's like an X-ray for bad intentions.
vitals which deviate from the mean.


FIFTA
 
2008-09-24 8:19:54 AM  
Churchill2004: It's basically a polygraph without the wires,

And as reliable as one. My guess is that Homeland Security is using this to get around profiling and establish probable cause so they can detain and search anyone who looks like they're from the Mid-East.
 
2008-09-24 8:57:20 AM  

torch: and just last week, Homeland Security put it to a field test in Maryland, scanning 144 mostly unwitting human subjects.

What do you mean, 4th amendment??


Really? Just let the scanning be done by a Google van; most of you guys that pee your pants whenever the bad ol gummint looks crosseyed at you don't seem to have a problem with a corporate car pulled in your driveway taking pictures of your house to post on the web.

/And the 4th isn't about walking around airports anyway.
 
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