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2008-08-19 1:58:53 PM  
Let me guess...you automatically assume it's human induced.
 
2008-08-19 2:08:44 PM  
Of course the climate changes. Greenland used to be GREEN (it's not now, it's snow-covered). And there was once a thing in fairly recent history called the Little Ice Age.
 
2008-08-19 2:33:42 PM  

dj_bigbird: Of course the climate changes. Greenland used to be GREEN (it's not now, it's snow-covered). And there was once a thing in fairly recent history called the Little Ice Age.


A small correction for you. Greenland wasn't really ever "green." It was named Greenland so that people would be induced to go there and settle. Kind of a bait and switch, if you will.

That is all.
 
2008-08-19 2:48:38 PM  
this combined with the growing arctic ice story the other day shows simply that WE DON'T KNOW shiat. and probably cant know really.
 
2008-08-19 4:20:08 PM  
Got no kids, don't expect to live but another 50 years. Therefore, could not give a ...........
 
2008-08-19 4:24:47 PM  
oh on... now the forest in frozen alaska might be like the forests in canada. we're doomed.
 
2008-08-19 4:37:18 PM  

dj_bigbird: Of course the climate changes. Greenland used to be GREEN (it's not now, it's snow-covered). And there was once a thing in fairly recent history called the Little Ice Age.


During the Medieval Warming Period, England's climate was mild enough to sustain vinyards to make wine.
 
2008-08-19 4:39:03 PM  
letdogsvote: A small correction for you. Greenland wasn't really ever "green." It was named Greenland so that people would be induced to go there and settle. Kind of a bait and switch, if you will.

At the time it was settled by Viking, Greenland was in fact, green. They arrived during the warmest era of Greenland's history.
 
2008-08-19 4:40:56 PM  

ndotseth: Let me guess...you automatically assume it's human induced.


Wow, in one.

Subby, very few will disagree that the climate is changing. The disagreement comes when you start talking about the cause. Personally, I feel that, while humans and industrialization may be causing some of it, the vast majority of the cause lies in natural environmental changes, both terrestrial and extraterrestrial.
 
2008-08-19 4:47:44 PM  

benlonghair: I feel that, while humans and industrialization may be causing some of it, the vast majority of the cause lies in natural environmental changes, both terrestrial and extraterrestrial.



Damn aliens. Farking with our climates.
 
2008-08-19 4:51:15 PM  
Valdes ... paging Professor Valdes ... please report to thread 3813385. Your vast knowledge of Alaska is required.
 
2008-08-19 4:54:05 PM  
It's tougher in Alaska.
 
2008-08-19 5:39:25 PM  

steveo: Valdes ... paging Professor Valdes ... please report to thread 3813385. Your vast knowledge of Alaska is required.


I always thought Joe Hazelwood had that knowledge.
 
2008-08-19 5:52:20 PM  
The industrial revolution has been going on for what, 150 years now? That's 150 years worth of coal, oil, and other junk we've sent floating into the atmosphere. It would be naive to suggest that all of this would not change the environment in some way, like a 40 year old with lung cancer denying that his 3 pack a day habit had anything to do with his illness.
 
2008-08-19 5:58:29 PM  
Global warming alarmism? That's gonna be a pretty tough sell in Alaska.
 
2008-08-19 6:06:51 PM  

real shaman: I always thought Joe Hazelwood had that knowledge.


That bastard. If it weren't for him and Nancy Sinatra we'd still have penguins up here.
 
2008-08-19 6:12:42 PM  
So... new forests are bad?

/my brain hurts
 
2008-08-19 7:45:13 PM  
hitler
 
2008-08-19 7:46:13 PM  
The climate/earth changes with our without us. Stop with the scare tactics, we arn't gonna fall for it anymore.
 
2008-08-19 7:47:36 PM  
The earth will not be destroyed by climate change. It's been here a few billion years, it will be here a for a few billion more.

Humans vanishing from the face of the earth is not a bad thing, it's simple evolution.
 
2008-08-19 7:47:51 PM  
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Just trying to help get things started.
 
2008-08-19 7:48:07 PM  

RobertBruce: this combined with the growing arctic ice story the other day shows simply that WE DON'T KNOW shiat. and probably cant know really.


Growing Arctic ice? The sea ice is disintegrating at an unprecedented rate for this time of year, and will be at the second lowest level (2007) in the satellite era, and likely in hundreds of years at least.
 
2008-08-19 7:48:49 PM  

benlonghair: Personally, I feel that, while humans and industrialization may be causing some of it, the vast majority of the cause lies in natural environmental changes, both terrestrial and extraterrestrial.


Because your personal feelings have far more weight than every single scientific organization on the planet.
 
2008-08-19 7:49:07 PM  
Climate change a bunch of hooey?

Of course not!

Scientists have known for years that the earth heats and cools in 400-year cycles; since we are at the peak of a 400-year heating cycle, it is not surprising it is hot outside.

On a related topic, it is also August, and it is hotter on the average in August than in January.

In other science news, water flows downhill and the sky is blue.
 
2008-08-19 7:51:00 PM  

fluffy2097: Humans vanishing from the face of the earth is not a bad thing, it's simple evolution.


I uh.. I like being alive and comfortable.

Cultural/Technological growth > uncontrolled Natural Selection, as far as I'm concerned.
 
2008-08-19 7:52:19 PM  
It's only anthropogenic global warming that's hooey, and pure hooey it is.
 
2008-08-19 7:52:46 PM  
I live in Alaska, it is cold. I don't like it. I drive my SUV to help warm the climate up


/tired of being cold
//please help and do your part!
 
2008-08-19 7:52:53 PM  
Wait, wait, wait... so you tell me they're sitting on a giant peat bog? Y'know, you can burn that stuff for fuel...

/why yes, I have been to Ireland
//peat gives off a distinct smell, but not an unpleasant one
///except in large quantities in confined spaces
////climate change? never heard of slashies
 
2008-08-19 7:53:43 PM  
Ever wait in the big room for jury duty?

The more people people that fill the room the hotter the room gets.

Jury's in and the verdict...

Too many F'ing people.
 
2008-08-19 7:54:07 PM  
According to my grammar Nazi of a former editor, under way is two words unless you're talking about boats. He would have beaten this reporter in the newsroom for all to see.
 
2008-08-19 7:55:40 PM  

olddinosaur: Scientists have known for years that the earth heats and cools in 400-year cycles; since we are at the peak of a 400-year heating cycle, it is not surprising it is hot outside.

On a related topic, it is also August, and it is hotter on the average in August than in January.

In other science news, water flows downhill and the sky is blue.


Cue female voice...
Rush...Limbaugh...

Does the EIB network know you're a closet farker?
 
2008-08-19 7:56:56 PM  
Please choose your side:
OMG! Climate Change is going to kill us all! Please save us government!
OMG! Terrorists are going to kill us all! Please save us government!

/The moss is growing trees! We're all going to die!
 
2008-08-19 7:59:05 PM  
In 1998 we only had ten years left.

and in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003...
 
2008-08-19 8:00:18 PM  
letdogsvote 2008-08-19 02:33:42 PM
dj_bigbird: Of course the climate changes. Greenland used to be GREEN (it's not now, it's snow-covered). And there was once a thing in fairly recent history called the Little Ice Age.

A small correction for you. Greenland wasn't really ever "green." It was named Greenland so that people would be induced to go there and settle. Kind of a bait and switch, if you will.

That is all.


This.

And ICELAND was called that to KEEP PEOPLE AWAY, even though it
is very habitable.
 
2008-08-19 8:00:21 PM  

Arnold T Pants: Please choose your side:
OMG! Climate Change is going to kill us all! Please save us government!
OMG! Terrorists are going to kill us all! Please save us government!

/The moss is growing trees! We're all going to die!


Oh, make no mistake, we are all going to die. And it's all your fault because you raped the Earth.

/Earth raper.
 
2008-08-19 8:00:25 PM  
Hey, guess what, the Earth is a dynamic constantly changing world. Continents move, and have moved over the centuries, temperature fluctuates constantly as well as over decades, centuries, millennium, and epochs. I'd be more worried if there wasn't climate change, the geothermal death of the Earth is the death of us all.
 
2008-08-19 8:01:59 PM  

olddinosaur: In other science news, water flows downhill and the sky is blue.


The sky isn't blue. But one does perceive blue with normal human vision.
 
2008-08-19 8:02:28 PM  
Forest > Bog

/More places to hike, less places to hide dead bodies
 
2008-08-19 8:02:38 PM  

ndotseth: Let me guess...you automatically assume it's human induced.


Hey Kids! What's the only thing worse than people who make ill-informed assumptions?

People who make ill-informed assumptions about other people's ill-informed assumptions!

You win Three Farks.
 
2008-08-19 8:02:40 PM  
mmm, peat

Am I the only one thinking about how we could use this to make whiskey?
 
2008-08-19 8:02:44 PM  
Interesting, yet tangential thought.

How do Flat Earthers (who believe there is an Ice Wall surrounding the circumference of the earth) deal with the shrinking polar caps?

Where does climate change fit into their scheme of things I wonder.
 
2008-08-19 8:02:46 PM  
Looks like the spruce beetle is the real villian here.
 
2008-08-19 8:03:52 PM  
...I read that as "The Hentai National Forest"...

If that wasn't a freudian slip, I don't know what one might be.
 
2008-08-19 8:04:11 PM  
We are just emerging from a mini ice age. It is part of a predictable and regular climatic cycle. We are still quite a ways off from the "climatic optimum" otherwise known as the Medieval Warm Period which occurred around 1000 AD, During this period there were vineyards in England making wine that rivaled those of France, great abundances of food crops were grown in Europe and North America leading to huge population increases and a Golden Age in Native American Indian cultures and greatly improving the lot of medieval peasants.

Climate change is not necessarily bad ... it is often quite good.

Climate change is very little effected by human activity.

The whole "global warming' fuss has taken the emphasis off of other far more serious and correctable environmental problems much to the detriment of the Earth.

The day is coming where this false and politicized "science" will lead to carbon taxes or the requirement that you purchase carbon credits just to live.

/thanks for nothing Al Gore
 
2008-08-19 8:04:55 PM  
Whether the causes are natural or due to humans, it's irrelevant. If it's going to severely impact our survivability we have a duty to our species and our descendants to try everything we can to reverse it, even if it turns out to be ultimately completely futile.

Why are all the tough guy conservatives that think we can't possible be to blame, okay with just rolling over and dying? Wouldn't you prefer to go out fighting to curb climate change than sitting there like a deer in the headlights, should it come to that?
 
2008-08-19 8:05:27 PM  

letdogsvote: dj_bigbird: Of course the climate changes. Greenland used to be GREEN (it's not now, it's snow-covered). And there was once a thing in fairly recent history called the Little Ice Age.

A small correction for you. Greenland wasn't really ever "green." It was named Greenland so that people would be induced to go there and settle. Kind of a bait and switch, if you will.

That is all.



WRONG! Greenland used to be green. It had over 50 settlements with 1000's of people, and land to graze and farm.
 
2008-08-19 8:05:32 PM  
Probably couldn't put it better myself. (new window)
 
2008-08-19 8:05:43 PM  
"...a handful of mossy duff", Who talks like that?
 
2008-08-19 8:07:25 PM  

Surool: "...a handful of mossy duff", Who talks like that?


Hilary's boyfriend, when she hasn't shaved recently?

/got nuthin.
 
2008-08-19 8:07:43 PM  
Nestea Plunge:

During the Medieval Warming Period, England's climate was mild enough to sustain vinyards to make wine.

You know, of all the incredibly stupid and easily checked things out there... You had to pick that one.
 
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