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(MSNBC)   Analysts believe that if Obama completes his march to the Oval Office, his backing will dissipate the first time he presses Europe to send more troops to Afghanistan or to support an aggressive U.S. military stance at odds with Europe   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line
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Snowflake Tubbybottom
2008-07-28 11:34:55 PM  
Did the obvious tag go on vacation?
 
Lionel Mandrake
2008-07-28 11:44:33 PM  
Oh, all of a sudden Conservatives care about Europe?
 
DamnYankees
2008-07-28 11:45:16 PM  
"Analysts" also believed he had no shot at beating Hillary Clinton. Why would I care what "analysts" think?
 
bulldg4life
2008-07-29 12:02:49 AM  
Wow, his support will diminish if he pushes Europe to enter in to a war that they don't want to enter. Thanks for that shocker.

That must be a new reason not to vote for Obama, because if McCain asks Europeans to enter a war they dislike...they would rally behind him.
 
Alien Robot
2008-07-29 12:26:58 AM  
Obama wants to invade Pakistan. He'll find himself quite alone in that endeavor.
 
DamnYankees
2008-07-29 12:27:30 AM  

Alien Robot: Obama wants to invade Pakistan. He'll find himself quite alone in that endeavor.


No new talking points in an entire year?
 
jake_lex
2008-07-29 1:03:37 AM  

DamnYankees: Alien Robot: Obama wants to invade Pakistan. He'll find himself quite alone in that endeavor.

No new talking points in an entire year?


Yeah, cause imagine how terrible it would be if we ever ended up with a President who, through his own stubbornness, invaded another country even though our allies said he shouldn't.

Thank god that's never happened, and we should make sure that Barack Hussein Obama, secret Muslim, is not elected over the sensible John "Bomb Iran" McCain, who will never let our boys cross that Iraq-Pakistan border.
 
Alien Robot
2008-07-29 1:46:59 AM  

jake_lex: Yeah, cause imagine how terrible it would be if we ever ended up with a President who, through his own stubbornness, invaded another country even though our allies said he shouldn't.


"Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it."

/McCain doesn't want to invade Iran, just destroy its nuclear production facilities from the air on a one-time deal
//Obama wants to farking INVADE Pakistan with infantry and send troops in as an occupying army fighting the Pakistani Army on the ground in a vain search for a long-dead Osama
 
bulldg4life
2008-07-29 1:53:07 AM  
Alien Robot: /McCain doesn't want to invade Iran, just destroy its nuclear production facilities from the air on a one-time deal
//Obama wants to farking INVADE Pakistan with infantry and send troops in as an occupying army fighting the Pakistani Army on the ground in a vain search for a long-dead Osama

Quite possibly the greatest analysis of the two scenarios in the history of ever.

But please, tell me one thing, what the bloody f*ck color is the sky in the world where those two things are true as you stated them?

And, if you do believe those two things as completely true, why has the mental institution given you access to the internet?
 
Alien Robot
2008-07-29 2:50:25 AM  
ABC News: "In a strikingly bold speech about terrorism Wednesday, Democratic presidential candidate Illinois Sen. Barack Obama called not only for a withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, but a redeployment of troops into Afghanistan and even Pakistan - with or without the permission of Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf."

"Redeployment of troops from Iraq into Pakistan" sounds like an occupation of the villages where the search would be taking place. And the Pakistani Army will provide armed resistance to any such "redeployment" if Musharraf has not given permission beforehand, believe you me.

As for McCain's one time aerial bombing lasting at most a week -- that's always been the US and/or Israeli policy. No one in either country (or any other country for that matter) is comtemplating sending in any ground troops to Iran.
 
log_jammin
2008-07-29 3:08:48 AM  

Alien Robot: "Redeployment of troops from Iraq into Pakistan"


you're a farking moron.

From your farking article..."If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."

You and JAKE TAPPER of ABC obviously have no clue what a "redeployment" of troops means.

but hey...spinspinspin. reality will catch up with you sooner or later.
 
Cagey B
2008-07-29 3:32:25 AM  

Alien Robot: /McCain doesn't want to invade Iran, just destroy its nuclear production facilities from the air on a one-time deal
//Obama wants to farking INVADE Pakistan with infantry and send troops in as an occupying army fighting the Pakistani Army on the ground in a vain search for a long-dead Osama


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Relatively Obscure [TotalFark]
2008-07-29 3:55:34 AM  

Alien Robot: //Obama wants to farking INVADE Pakistan with infantry and send troops in as an occupying army fighting the Pakistani Army on the ground in a vain search for a long-dead Osama


What day is it on Mars, anyway?
 
LordJiro [OhFark]
2008-07-29 3:55:58 AM  

Alien Robot: jake_lex: Yeah, cause imagine how terrible it would be if we ever ended up with a President who, through his own stubbornness, invaded another country even though our allies said he shouldn't.

"Those who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it."

/McCain doesn't want to invade Iran, just destroy its nuclear production facilities from the air on a one-time deal
//Obama wants to farking INVADE Pakistan with infantry and send troops in as an occupying army fighting the Pakistani Army on the ground in a vain search for a long-dead Osama


We don't know for sure that Osama's dead. And actually LOOKING for him is better than what Bushy did (that is, let him escape and attack Saddam...who, by the way, was considered an enemy by Osama)
 
Ace Attorney
2008-07-29 3:56:52 AM  

log_jammin: From your farking article..."If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will.".


I seem to recall another president saying that about some Saddam guy. Anyone know how that turned out?
 
FarkinNortherner
2008-07-29 3:59:08 AM  
submitter: his backing will dissipate the first time he presses Europe to send more troops to Afghanistan

Weird, I must have been suffering from a brain injury when I heard our Prime Minister (as of 0857 BST) support the redeployment of British troops from Iraq to Afghanistan and suggest that the scope of our role could be extended.

or to support an aggressive U.S. military stance at odds with Europe

Well duh.
 
Trebek354
2008-07-29 3:59:36 AM  

jake_lex:

Thank god that's never happened, and we should make sure that Barack Hussein Obama, secret Muslim, is not elected over the sensible John "Bomb Iran" McCain, who will never let our boys cross that Iraq-Pakistan border.


Well yeah, since there IS no Iraq Pakistan Border.
Go beat yourself with a globe.
 
SeismicJizzer
2008-07-29 4:00:03 AM  

Ace Attorney: I seem to recall another president saying that about some Saddam guy. Anyone know how that turned out?


Yeah but the problem with your analysis every farking person including the Pakistanis know he is hiding in the mountains. Jesus do you even understand the geography of the area?
 
Relatively Obscure [TotalFark]
2008-07-29 4:01:31 AM  

Trebek354: Well yeah, since there IS no Iraq Pakistan Border.
Go beat yourself with a globe.


That was the joke, bud.

Based on what McCain himself was recorded as having said.
 
Ace Attorney
2008-07-29 4:02:35 AM  

SeismicJizzer: Ace Attorney: I seem to recall another president saying that about some Saddam guy. Anyone know how that turned out?

Yeah but the problem with your analysis every farking person including the Pakistanis know he is hiding in the mountains. Jesus do you even understand the geography of the area?


Do you have pictures of Osama in front of some Pakistani mountains? Or are you going with "Curveball" on this one?

Unless hes wearing some kind of GPS transmitter that shows hes in the Pakistani mountains, then we can only ASSUME that he is.
 
Xarian
2008-07-29 4:03:01 AM  

Alien Robot: "Redeployment of troops from Iraq into Pakistan" sounds like an occupation of the villages where the search would be taking place. And the Pakistani Army will provide armed resistance to any such "redeployment" if Musharraf has not given permission beforehand, believe you me.


being intentionally obtuse is not a winning argument
 
JerkyMeat
2008-07-29 4:03:20 AM  
It would be pretty funny to watch obama become unglued like bush did, but instead go from clean negro suit to an huge fro, wearing a hair pic, and a pimp suit over the next 8 years in the whitehouse. Just like early beatles late beatles or early hendrix late hendrix.
Yeah....that's it.
 
log_jammin
2008-07-29 4:03:34 AM  

Ace Attorney: I seem to recall another president saying that about some Saddam guy. Anyone know how that turned out?


deflect deflect deflect!
 
boobsrgood
2008-07-29 4:03:47 AM  
Lionel Mandrake

Oh, all of a sudden Conservatives care about Europe?

Hey man, are those freedom fries? Don't bogard, dude!

I swear the mainstream media is losing its farking mind. What a moronic piece of non-story dogshiate this pathetic drivel is.
 
TheCommunistCow
2008-07-29 4:03:58 AM  
Trebek354 Well yeah, since there IS no Iraq Pakistan Border.
Go beat yourself with a globe.

You really need to watch the news sometime.
 
Ace Attorney
2008-07-29 4:07:12 AM  
Obama has two cows, and Musharraf has two cows. Now, if Obama wants to redeploy his cows into Musharraf's barn, and Musharraf threatens military action against Obama if he follows through, how stupid was Obama's idea?
 
Mouser
2008-07-29 4:07:43 AM  
It won't be just the Europeans who'll be disillusioned.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating: An Obama victory will almost be worth it just to see the look on his supporters' faces when he turns around and tells them that US troops will be in Iraq throughout his Presidency.
 
06Wahoo
2008-07-29 4:09:59 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Oh, all of a sudden Conservatives care about Europe?


Seems to me that if liberals really care about what Europe thinks, they will take this into account. Voting for a candidate, just because he pleases other countries, is bad policy, and it is made worse when it becomes pretty clear that there is no pleasing other countries.

What Europe thinks should not matter. This is not their election, but ours. Unless they think it is a good idea that we start taking part in their elections too, they should just stop their kvetching and deal with it.
 
SeismicJizzer
2008-07-29 4:11:12 AM  

Ace Attorney: Do you have pictures of Osama in front of some Pakistani mountains? Or are you going with "Curveball" on this one?

Unless hes wearing some kind of GPS transmitter that shows hes in the Pakistani mountains, then we can only ASSUME that he is.


Where the fark you think he is hiding at in Sweden? Our intelligence has concrete proof he is in the Waziristan area of the Pakistani/Afghani border. He is able to slip in and out of the area due to the mountainous terrain where Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are able to trade money and weapons. Musharaaf wants them dead, but domestically he is politically weak due to his own perception as a dictator. Pakistanis hate the tribalism in that area because of the increase of fundamentalism shoved down their throat, but they don't have the resources to hunt him down. Pakistan is a more threat if the fundies take over, god forbid if Musharraf is taken out of office.
 
dedmunkeeboi
2008-07-29 4:11:25 AM  

Alien Robot: /McCain doesn't want to invade Iran, just destroy its nuclear production facilities from the air on a one-time deal

Right, because Iran will just giggle and say, "Oh, you silly Americans!" after we blow up stuff in their country. Those missiles they fire at us? Filled with yummy candies they are.
 
Dumle
2008-07-29 4:11:27 AM  

Mouser: It won't be just the Europeans who'll be disillusioned.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating: An Obama victory will almost be worth it just to see the look on his supporters' faces when he turns around and tells them that US troops will be in Iraq throughout his Presidency.


Irrelevant. Very few will vote for Omaba for the sole premise of getting the troops home.
 
log_jammin
2008-07-29 4:11:28 AM  
Obama has two cows, and Musharraf has two cows. Now, if Obama wants to redeploy his cows into Musharraf's NEIGHBORS barn, and Musharraf 's cows always walk onto his neighbors property. If Obama follows through with a threat to shoot the cows, how stupid was Obama's idea?
 
CaboGuy26
2008-07-29 4:11:53 AM  
Ace Attorney

not sure i get the metaphor

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Relatively Obscure [TotalFark]
2008-07-29 4:12:29 AM  

Ace Attorney: Obama has two cows, and Musharraf has two cows. Now, if Obama wants to redeploy his cows into Musharraf's barn, and Musharraf threatens military action against Obama if he follows through, how stupid was Obama's idea?


C.
 
log_jammin
2008-07-29 4:13:20 AM  

06Wahoo: Voting for a candidate, just because he pleases other countries, is bad policy


name one person here who has stated they're voting for Obama just because he pleases other countries.
 
SeismicJizzer
2008-07-29 4:13:34 AM  

Mouser: It won't be just the Europeans who'll be disillusioned.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating: An Obama victory will almost be worth it just to see the look on his supporters' faces when he turns around and tells them that US troops will be in Iraq throughout his Presidency.


Dude calm down everyone knows we are going to have some forces there to protect the infrastructure and embassy, but nothing in comparison to what we have now. Even McCain agrees with that.
 
Ace Attorney
2008-07-29 4:16:23 AM  

SeismicJizzer: Ace Attorney: Do you have pictures of Osama in front of some Pakistani mountains? Or are you going with "Curveball" on this one?

Unless hes wearing some kind of GPS transmitter that shows hes in the Pakistani mountains, then we can only ASSUME that he is.

Where the fark you think he is hiding at in Sweden? Our intelligence has concrete proof he is in the Waziristan area of the Pakistani/Afghani border. He is able to slip in and out of the area due to the mountainous terrain where Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are able to trade money and weapons. Musharaaf wants them dead, but domestically he is politically weak due to his own perception as a dictator. Pakistanis hate the tribalism in that area because of the increase of fundamentalism shoved down their throat, but they don't have the resources to hunt him down. Pakistan is a more threat if the fundies take over, god forbid if Musharraf is taken out of office.


Just like we had "Concrete proof" that Saddam was buying yellow cake? And that Al-Qaeda was trying to take over Iraq?
 
CaboGuy26
2008-07-29 4:18:54 AM  
concrete proof?

Osama tracks?

Osama droppings?

/obligitory
 
code_monkey
2008-07-29 4:20:12 AM  
People need to stop fellating their chosen candidate. Remember, both McCain and Obama are both politicians, not saviors.
 
robsul82
2008-07-29 4:20:17 AM  
Wasn't Obama SAYING THAT during his speeches and they were going batshiat anyway?
 
SeismicJizzer
2008-07-29 4:20:24 AM  

Ace Attorney: Just like we had "Concrete proof" that Saddam was buying yellow cake? And that Al-Qaeda was trying to take over Iraq?


The Government of Pakistan believes it, the Government of Afghanistan believes it, and our troops in Afghanistan believe it. Pakistan is a serious threat and if you think Obama is going to invade Pakistan to create another Iraq and seriously ruin his legacy as president then I don't know what to tell ya.
 
CaboGuy26
2008-07-29 4:22:54 AM  
Just for the record, I was not the one to call Obama a "Saviour" first in this thread.

Someone else named code_monkey of-i'm assuming-American decent said it too...

So... I'm not going crazy when i say that this is becoming a popular trend... and no, not just a tactic of the right... the liberal media are saying it as well...


//oh, but CaboGuy26, where's your proof?
///pthhh!
 
Ace Attorney
2008-07-29 4:23:25 AM  

SeismicJizzer: Ace Attorney: Just like we had "Concrete proof" that Saddam was buying yellow cake? And that Al-Qaeda was trying to take over Iraq?

The Government of Pakistan believes it, the Government of Afghanistan believes it, and our troops in Afghanistan believe it. Pakistan is a serious threat and if you think Obama is going to invade Pakistan to create another Iraq and seriously ruin his legacy as president then I don't know what to tell ya.


Britain believed that Saddam was buying Yellow Cake, Italy believed that Saddam was buying Yellow Cake, our troops believed that Saddam had bought Yellow Cake. Unless we're going to tag team this with India and NATO, Russia will rush to Pakistan's side and biatch slap us back into Vietnam
 
Biological Ali
2008-07-29 4:24:06 AM  

Alien Robot: //Obama wants to farking INVADE Pakistan with infantry and send troops in as an occupying army fighting the Pakistani Army on the ground in a vain search for a long-dead Osama


-44/10
 
1morerun
2008-07-29 4:24:29 AM  
After Bush, how could he go wrong? I feel confident he won't molest any female foreign dignitaries. I feel strongly that he'll bring meaningful diatribe to global discussions.

My biggest hope is that if he's elected, he doesn't surround himself with corporate shills like bush chose to, and instead forms a governing body. Pipe dream, I know.

Ace Attorney: Obama has two cows, and Musharraf has two cows. Now, if Obama wants to redeploy his cows into Musharraf's barn, and Musharraf threatens military action against Obama if he follows through, how stupid was Obama's idea?

It all loses meaning when you consider that Osama's been dead for well almost 3 years, and neither his government, nor our own want that to be public knowledge.
 
Samsaran
2008-07-29 4:25:08 AM  
Analysts believe that if Obama completes his march to the Oval Office, his backing will dissipate the first time he presses Europe to send more troops to Afghanistan or to support an aggressive U.S. military stance at odds with Europe

Yeah like that would ever happen. Obama won't do anything without a permission slip from the EU.
 
log_jammin
2008-07-29 4:25:51 AM  

Ace Attorney: Britain believed that Saddam was buying Yellow Cake, Italy believed that Saddam was buying Yellow Cake, our troops believed that Saddam had bought Yellow Cake. Unless we're going to tag team this with India and NATO, Russia will rush to Pakistan's side and biatch slap us back into Vietnam


past performance does not indicate future results
 
relaxitsjustme [TotalFark]
2008-07-29 4:27:47 AM  
Thanks Cagey B that pic made me laugh.

Came in to make sure that people were holding the GOP/Neocon's feet to the fire they started.

Keep up the good work all
 
code_monkey
2008-07-29 4:27:48 AM  

CaboGuy26: Just for the record, I was not the one to call Obama a "Saviour" first in this thread.

Someone else named code_monkey of-i'm assuming-American decent said it too...

So... I'm not going crazy when i say that this is becoming a popular trend... and no, not just a tactic of the right... the liberal media are saying it as well...


//oh, but CaboGuy26, where's your proof?
///pthhh!


I said both candidates in a general statement. Why did you zero in on just Obama?
 
Ace Attorney
2008-07-29 4:28:21 AM  

1morerun: After Bush, how could he go wrong? I feel confident he won't molest any female foreign dignitaries. I feel strongly that he'll bring meaningful diatribe to global discussions.

My biggest hope is that if he's elected, he doesn't surround himself with corporate shills like bush chose to, and instead forms a governing body. Pipe dream, I know.

Ace Attorney: Obama has two cows, and Musharraf has two cows. Now, if Obama wants to redeploy his cows into Musharraf's barn, and Musharraf threatens military action against Obama if he follows through, how stupid was Obama's idea?

It all loses meaning when you consider that Osama's been dead for well almost 3 years, and neither his government, nor our own want that to be public knowledge.


Yes, because once that becomes public, we will be forced to withdraw troops from Afghanistan, stop spending money their, and actually have to admit Bush did a good job. But us Nazi Republicans only have one goal: continue risking American lives and spending money for as long as possible
 
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