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(Globe and Mail)   Canada to US military deserters: Go home, eh. In fact, here's some handcuffs and a few police officers to escort you   (theglobeandmail.com) divider line
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Tat'dGreaser
2008-07-15 11:51:28 AM  
Ya hoser.
 
dikkcor28
2008-07-15 11:57:00 AM  
good deal
 
stephen74
2008-07-15 11:57:39 AM  
How does this get a Spiffy tag? It's cool to punish people for having a conscience and not wanting to fight in a BS war?
 
BoozePenguin
2008-07-15 11:58:00 AM  
good. They weren't drafted.
 
Trance750
2008-07-15 11:58:02 AM  
Yet they worship Clinton as if he was God Himself.
 
AuralArgument
2008-07-15 11:58:04 AM  
That's cause Harper is Bush's Lap dog.
 
incrdbil
2008-07-15 11:58:37 AM  
Good--court martial the scum and lock him up.
 
flup
2008-07-15 11:58:39 AM  
Think they'll do the samer for our president?
 
SeenItAll
2008-07-15 11:58:57 AM  
Remember, these aholes enlisted, they weren't drafted.
 
Phone_Answering_Monkey
2008-07-15 11:59:26 AM  
Here come the crying liberals to welcome their Hero home with open arms and a basket of warm scones.

/Just wanted to say that
//Makes the bomb scones
 
Whodat?
2008-07-15 11:59:47 AM  
SeenItAll: Remember, these aholes enlisted, they weren't drafted.

Yeah, it's an important point that's easily overlooked.
 
moops
2008-07-15 12:00:34 PM  
AuralArgument: That's cause Harper is Bush's Lap dog fluffer.

FIFY
 
agentyx
2008-07-15 12:00:35 PM  
Please, they were volunteers. They were already honorably discharged, that's about the worst the could expect.
 
PAID_NETVOCATE
2008-07-15 12:00:45 PM  
PLEASE TELL ME WHY ARE WE IN IRAQ?

WHY ARE WE IN IRAQ?
WHY ARE WE IN IRAQ?
WHY ARE WE IN IRAQ?
WHY ARE WE IN IRAQ?
WHY ARE WE IN IRAQ?
WHY ARE WE IN IRAQ?
WHY ARE WE IN IRAQ?
WHY ARE WE IN IRAQ?

oh.. that's right.. to destroy the middle class and enrich bush's cronies

sounds like something i'd want to die for
 
I Eat Laser For Breakfast
2008-07-15 12:00:49 PM  
stephen74: How does this get a Spiffy tag? It's cool to punish people for having a conscience and not wanting to fight in a BS war?

Should have had a conscience to not join in the first place, genius. Break the rules pay the price.
 
BoozePenguin
2008-07-15 12:01:43 PM  
AuralArgument

No, it's because they enlisted.

We let in vietnam era draft dodgers because they were fleeing military slavery.

These men are not.
 
TxRabbit
2008-07-15 12:01:55 PM  
Phone_Answering_Monkey: Here come the crying liberals to welcome their Hero home with open arms and a basket of warm scones.

/Just wanted to say that
//Makes the bomb scones

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Antimatter
2008-07-15 12:02:05 PM  
Considering we pretty much falsified the reasons to go to war, and ran a system of abduction, torture, and murder, I think he was justified in quiting that oragnization and leaving the country which supports it.

He'll be court marshelled, and well, they will deny him any right to present evidence that the war was wrong, as that would be politically troublesome.

All solders have the right to ignore unlawful orders, or any order contrary to the united states constitution. If he believes these orders fit that criteria, he shoudl be able to argue that in court.
 
Drakin020
2008-07-15 12:02:19 PM  
What's wrong with dodging an illegal war that you want no part of?

If I am drafted for Iraq, I'll do the same thing.

If I am drafted cause N. Korea set us up the bomb, then I will go and defend my country.
 
Dwreck
2008-07-15 12:03:15 PM  
Good. I got medically discharged in AIT after fighting it for three months until I realized how futile it was. Good job, Canadian authorities. I'm sure there are plenty of other people who were involuntarily seperated from the military or denied application who would love to take the place of these hypocritcal bastards. You join, you sign a contract. You don't walk away because you don't like it anymore. You carry out your farking oath.
 
Whodat?
2008-07-15 12:03:32 PM  
Drakin020: What's wrong with dodging an illegal war that you want no part of?

If I am drafted for Iraq, I'll do the same thing.

If I am drafted cause N. Korea set us up the bomb, then I will go and defend my country.

Indeed, but this guy *was not drafted*. He *enlisted*. Two very, very different things.
 
Silly_Sot
2008-07-15 12:03:48 PM  
stephen74: How does this get a Spiffy tag? It's cool to punish people for having a conscience and not wanting to fight in a BS war?

No, you moron, it's cool for making VOLUNTEERS live up to their VOLUNTARY responsibility. Nobody able to sign on the line is really such a moron as to not know that you have AGREED BEFOREHAND to any actions that Unka Sugar wants his uniformed children to take. This is not the 1960s/70s. These are not draftees. They are not being compelled into involuntary servitude. These are VOLUNTEERS. They CHOSE to join up. If they were really such total morons as to think that they would never have had to actually compromise things like "personal morals" once they put on the uniform, then they need the serious lesson. If they are just trying to weasel out of their VOLUNTARY obligation, then they need the serious lesson.

This is not the peacetime draft era. They are not draftees. They voluntarily surrendered their rights to object when they chose to sign on the line.
 
Nicotinus
2008-07-15 12:03:53 PM  
How is this spiffy, exactly? I'm saddened my country is doing this.
 
BoozePenguin
2008-07-15 12:03:53 PM  
Drakin020

Because there is no draft. He was not forced to sign up for the united states army, a military with a history of involvement in foreign wars.

If this man was drafted i would say he should be free to come and stay in canada, i think a draft is just another word for military slavery.

But this man signed up.
 
Wytchocolate
2008-07-15 12:03:57 PM  
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"...and when you get back to America, take a shower, get a hair cut, and shave you got damned hippie!"
 
pzippy
2008-07-15 12:04:09 PM  
stephen74: How does this get a Spiffy tag? It's cool to punish people for having a conscience and not wanting to fight in a BS war?

It was their choice to join up, and I commend them for their courage to do so, but once you join, if they tell you to fight, you've got to fight, regardless of the war's popularity.
 
Phil Moskowitz
2008-07-15 12:04:32 PM  
Great, I love it when Canada shames itself.
 
Wytchocolate
2008-07-15 12:05:00 PM  
Drakin020: What's wrong with dodging an illegal war that you want no part of?

He wasn't dodging an illegal war.
 
bad_ed
2008-07-15 12:05:05 PM  
stephen74: How does this get a Spiffy tag? It's cool to punish people for having a conscience and not wanting to fight in a BS war?

It is one thing when there is a draft on and you have no choice.

These people enlisted of their own free will, many either during our present conflict or shortly before it. If you didn't agree, why sign up? If you had any problems with the fact that you might be sent forth to fight in a war you didn't agree with, why enlist?

Also: it is one thing to take a dramatic action to avoid deployment. With that action, a normal person knows there are consequences. If you fled the U.S. to avoid fighting after you enlisted without the Government of Canada offering amnesty, the real possibility of extradition exists. Desertion is a crime, and this is a real outcome of that crime.
 
I Eat Laser For Breakfast
2008-07-15 12:05:08 PM  
Antimatter: Considering we pretty much falsified the reasons to go to war, and ran a system of abduction, torture, and murder, I think he was justified in quiting that oragnization and leaving the country which supports it.

He'll be court marshelled, and well, they will deny him any right to present evidence that the war was wrong, as that would be politically troublesome.

All solders have the right to ignore unlawful orders, or any order contrary to the united states constitution. If he believes these orders fit that criteria, he shoudl be able to argue that in court.

Then why did he run off to Canada? Why didn't he just refuse orders and stand his ground?
 
aszulwach
2008-07-15 12:06:11 PM  
This guy enlisted in the military, voluntarily. He also chose to go against orders and desert. Now, he faces the consequences. There's a big difference between being drafted and being enlisted. Non-story.
 
jasonmicron
2008-07-15 12:06:18 PM  
stephen74: How does this get a Spiffy tag? It's cool to punish people for having a conscience and not wanting to fight in a BS war?

The trull-fu is strong with this one, however lacks basic understanding of military tradition and punishment.
 
Farkage
2008-07-15 12:06:44 PM  
stephen74: How does this get a Spiffy tag? It's cool to punish people for having a conscience and not wanting to fight in a BS war?

Are you farking kidding? When you voluntarily enlist, you don't get an open ticket to choose whether or not you want to participate that week.
 
agentyx
2008-07-15 12:06:52 PM  
Drakin020: What's wrong with dodging an illegal war that you want no part of?

If I am drafted for Iraq, I'll do the same thing.

If I am drafted cause N. Korea set us up the bomb, then I will go and defend my country.

THIS GUY WAS NOT DRAFTED.
 
jasonmicron
2008-07-15 12:06:53 PM  
err, troll-fu.

/i'm embarrased, i really am
 
Morton_toes
2008-07-15 12:07:18 PM  
We'll send Alec Baldwin up there in trade.
As a matter of fact, you can keep them both.
 
jasonmicron
2008-07-15 12:07:53 PM  
Drakin020: What's wrong with dodging an illegal war that you want no part of?

If I am drafted for Iraq, I'll do the same thing.

If I am drafted cause N. Korea set us up the bomb, then I will go and defend my country.

Wow. FAIL.
 
Old_Chief_Scott
2008-07-15 12:08:24 PM  
I wonder what his MOS was going to be...
 
TheShavingofOccam123
2008-07-15 12:08:26 PM  
Well, I'm glad to see the lower echelons of the military being held to a strict rule of civilian and military law. This will make it much easier to try their civilian and military superiors for the war crimes they ordered these underlings.

Order a volunteer to fight an illegal war--as claimed by Richard Perle, a chief Pentagon proponent of the war in Iraq--and prosecute him when he refuses? Fine, then prosecute the criminals who ordered the soldier to fight an illegal war. I'm waiting.
 
VPI-NAVY
2008-07-15 12:08:51 PM  
He was in training to be a tank commander? I wasn't aware the Army let PFCs command tanks these days. This sounds like the guy I met in Navy boot camp who believed that the Navy would occasionally let him, a future aviation fuel handler, take an F-18 out for a spin.
 
PAID_NETVOCATE
2008-07-15 12:09:00 PM  
yea the whole ' i was just following military orders ' stick worked so well for the germans
 
I Eat Laser For Breakfast
2008-07-15 12:09:27 PM  
Morton_toes: We'll send Alec Baldwin up there in trade.
As a matter of fact, you can keep them both.

BLAME CANADA
 
Bobolina
2008-07-15 12:09:35 PM  
I get that these people disagree with the politics behind the war in Iraq. But don't farking enlist! It's really simple. I don't care what that recruiter tells you, it's mostly lies anyway. Military recruiters lie all the time and it's been all over the news. If you're stupid enough to fall for it, maybe you deserve to be a meat bag on the front lines. What were these people expecting? Something glamorous and exciting? I appreciate that there are people willing to go over there, God bless them, but these people that go AWOL are just retarded.
 
asmodeus224
2008-07-15 12:09:43 PM  
Desertion and high rates of suicide and PTSD are signs that we are winning, right?

Good thing we care so much about the troops...oh wait, no we don't. Cutting VA benefits, deplorable conditions at bases and hospitals for vets, lack of equipment (or POA in either Iraq or Afghanistan)...whoops, well, at least there aren't a lot of reports on the nightly news about this stuff, you know, so we don't have to worry our beautiful minds over such triflings.

Yea, I can't imagine why anyone would desert.

Oh and smitty, you get a cockpunch for the 'spiffy' tag.
 
Eskurido
2008-07-15 12:09:56 PM  
I'm glad to see them go.

Taking in draft dodgers is one thing. Those folks wanted nothing to do with the military complex from day one.

These current pansies volountarily signed up for military duty, and now that they might have to go and actually fight they come up here and mooch away a free living on my tax dollars?

Fark that.
 
nlscb
2008-07-15 12:10:24 PM  
Plus all those deserters pay for everything in American Pesos!

How are an American deserter and a canoe similar? Neither tip!

/this isn't Canada's problem
//'muricun
///sorry about all the cracks us Americans made back in 98
////I wasn't one of them
 
Dwreck
2008-07-15 12:10:46 PM  
Old_Chief_Scott: I wonder what his MOS was going to be...

92W

"Whiskey" for wuss, of course.

(92W is actually Water Purification Specialist)
 
Kongressman Grandma
2008-07-15 12:10:49 PM  
To all those who are cheering this man's deportation and blasting him for being a contract-breaking deserter, I have a question.

Doesn't every soldier, sailor, marine and airman have to take an oath to uphold and defend the constitution as a primary duty? If this war was considered unconstitutional, which I personally consider it to be, would he not be upholding his oath by refusing to participate in unconstitutional actions. Of course this line of argument doesn't work so well because he fled to Canada so he looks more self-interested than ideologically troubled.
 
BoozePenguin
2008-07-15 12:11:14 PM  
TheShavingofOccam123

When bush runs to canada to avoid the legal proceedings the american people set up for him he'll get his ass deported too.

That isn't our job.
 
I Eat Laser For Breakfast
2008-07-15 12:11:25 PM  
VPI-NAVY: He was in training to be a tank commander? I wasn't aware the Army let PFCs command tanks these days. This sounds like the guy I met in Navy boot camp who believed that the Navy would occasionally let him, a future aviation fuel handler, take an F-18 out for a spin.

was this guy an avid fan of NASCAR?
 
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