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baorao
2008-07-14 5:53:29 PM  
I wouldn't have seen that without this link. So Allison Kilkenny can urge away, I don't think she'll have much of an impact.
 
smooshie
2008-07-14 6:01:03 PM  
What the fark was Obama thinking with the FISA vote?
 
abb3w [TotalFark]
2008-07-14 6:18:56 PM  
Obviously, Liberals should start donating heavily to Barr's campaign.
 
Mugato [TotalFark]
2008-07-14 6:36:01 PM  
The way I see it, unwarranted wire tapping, torture, illegal searches, arresting and holding people without probable cause...they've been doing that the whole time anyway. But at least have the decency to be clandestine about it. Do it behnid my back but don't make it legislation.

But by all means, throw your vote away on the guy who tests seatbelts. I'm in FL so they're just going to fark my vote up anyway so who cares?
 
UnkleKrakker
2008-07-14 6:42:26 PM  
smooshie: What the fark was Obama thinking with the FISA vote?

That was a pretty farking stupid vote, IMO anyway.
 
Manfred J. Hattan
2008-07-14 6:44:11 PM  
smooshie: What the fark was Obama thinking with the FISA vote?

You tards still haven't figured that out? He was thinking, "Hey, I might be president soon. I suddenly have a much more expansive view of presidential power."

Hope that helps.
 
Moses To Sandy Koufax
2008-07-14 6:44:36 PM  
smooshie : What the fark was Obama thinking with the FISA vote?

Just throwing this out there, but wasn't there some kind of scandal/conspiracy theory where the telecom companies were bribing representatives for their votes? Perhaps Obama was bribed as well.


Have no idea if he was or not, but why would he change his position on a bill his supporters hated that he knew would bring nothing but backlash? A big hunk of money would seem to cover the "motive" part of his vote, anyway.
 
culebra
2008-07-14 6:45:21 PM  
smooshie: What the fark was Obama thinking with the FISA vote?

Link (new window)
 
24-Bit Voxel
2008-07-14 6:46:23 PM  
Well, regardless he lost my vote over it.

/Idiots? Trampling my constitution? It's more likely than you might think.
 
RemyDuron
2008-07-14 6:48:05 PM  
Moses To Sandy Koufax: smooshie : What the fark was Obama thinking with the FISA vote?

Just throwing this out there, but wasn't there some kind of scandal/conspiracy theory where the telecom companies were bribing representatives for their votes? Perhaps Obama was bribed as well.


Have no idea if he was or not, but why would he change his position on a bill his supporters hated that he knew would bring nothing but backlash? A big hunk of money would seem to cover the "motive" part of his vote, anyway.

Yeah, cause the Obama campaign needs money. Running on a shoestring that one is.

There are three reasons I can see behind his vote:
1. Maybe he wants more presidential power.
2. Maybe he thinks this will force what the Bush Admin has done into the public eye in a way it can't ignore (telecoms have to prove that the AG told them it was cool to act without a warrant).
3. Maybe he was afraid of the attack ads the republicans would have run against him had he voted against it.
 
CravenMorehead
2008-07-14 6:48:07 PM  
smooshie: What the fark was Obama thinking with the FISA vote?

I think the term is "political expediency". Because of his stance on FISA I am no longer sure I will vote for him in November.
 
Hang On Voltaire
2008-07-14 6:48:46 PM  
It is a cold day in hell. A submission that might be bad news for Obama gets greenlit
 
Simplest Quantum System Conceivable
2008-07-14 6:49:32 PM  
Ummm.... no. The people most offended by Obama's FISA vote are the Daily Kos crowd, who will never vote Nader. Most will not even speak his name. Nice try though.
 
Bill Frist
2008-07-14 6:49:47 PM  
CravenMorehead [TotalFark] Quote 2008-07-14 06:48:07 PM
smooshie: What the fark was Obama thinking with the FISA vote?

I think the term is "political expediency". Because of his stance on FISA I am no longer sure I will vote for him in November.


People like you gave us the last 8 years of Bush, do you really have to rub more salt int he wound with McCain?
 
AdolfOliverPanties
2008-07-14 6:49:48 PM  
America is overflowing with stupid people.
 
GoRedSoxGo
2008-07-14 6:51:06 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: It is a cold day in hell. A submission that might be bad news for Obama gets greenlit

Oh, God. Old martyr complex is old.
 
Bill Frist
2008-07-14 6:51:13 PM  
Hang On Voltaire [TotalFark] Quote 2008-07-14 06:48:46 PM
It is a cold day in hell. A submission that might be bad news for Obama gets greenlit


WTF!

Obviously you don't read fark. The fark posters are mostly liberal, but the politics tab has had a decidely pro-McCain/anti-Obama bent for quite some time in terms of what gets greened. Even when pro-Obama things do go green they almost always go green late at nigh tor early in the morning, while the bulk of hte day is pro-McCain links.
 
Moses To Sandy Koufax
2008-07-14 6:51:37 PM  
RemyDuron: Yeah, cause the Obama campaign needs money. Running on a shoestring that one is.

Halliburton didn't need money, either. So can we toss that out as one of the reasons for the Iraq war?


"Sure I've got a lot of money, but I'd happily give it all away for just a little bit more."
-C. Montgomery Burns
 
24-Bit Voxel
2008-07-14 6:52:08 PM  
Simplest Quantum System Conceivable: Ummm.... no. The people most offended by Obama's FISA vote are the Daily Kos crowd, who will never vote Nader. Most will not even speak his name. Nice try though.

I'm not a Kos fan, and it offended me. You're right I won't vote Nader though.
 
MPAVictoria
2008-07-14 6:52:23 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: It is a cold day in hell. A submission that might be bad news for Obama gets greenlit

Ya because that never happens....

http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=3732903
http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=3730322
http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=3730586

You right wingers are such crybabies.
 
unholycode76
2008-07-14 6:52:31 PM  
Can we just get it over with and put a monkey in the oval office? I really don't think it would make much difference; plus, it would free up alot of MSM bandwidth.

After typing this I imagined people capitalizing on the monkey part at the expense of Obama, but I'm too buzzed to care.
 
culebra
2008-07-14 6:52:44 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: It is a cold day in hell. A submission that might be bad news for Obama gets greenlit

What a thoughtful and well-reasoned post.
 
Flying Jester
2008-07-14 6:53:41 PM  
culebra: smooshie: What the fark was Obama thinking with the FISA vote?

Link (new window)

Interesting. I can see a bit of an attempt to court independent, security-minded voters, but I don't think that is big enough a voting block to make the backlash worthwhile.

/Ah well, will still prolly vote for him.
 
culebra
2008-07-14 6:54:30 PM  
unholycode76: Can we just get it over with and put a monkey in the oval office?

content.ytmnd.comView Full Size


Is an ape sufficient?
 
PacersJAM3s
2008-07-14 6:55:08 PM  
Up until that FISA vote last week, Obama had my vote without any doubt.

After "flip-flopping" (I hate that term), I honestly am not sure who I will be voting for come November. I doubt I vote third party, but come on, that FISA vote was ridiculous on so many levels.
 
rthanu
2008-07-14 6:56:01 PM  
It is a cold day in hell. A conservative farker is whining.
 
Hang On Voltaire
2008-07-14 6:56:29 PM  
GoRedSoxGo:
Oh, God. Old martyr complex is old.

Oh relax. "Jus' a bit o' a joke"

/Still pissed that the recent Newsweek (or Obamaweek as I like to call it) poll didn't make Fark politics. You remember? The one three weeks ago that showed Obama with a 15 point lead? Yeah that one got greenlit, but not the one this week that shows him with a 3 point lead.
 
Hang On Voltaire
2008-07-14 6:57:17 PM  
rthanu: It is a cold day in hell. A conservative farker is whining.

Actually I wasn't whining. I was being snarky
 
culebra
2008-07-14 6:58:32 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: GoRedSoxGo:
Oh, God. Old martyr complex is old.

Oh relax. "Jus' a bit o' a joke"

/Still pissed that the recent Newsweek (or Obamaweek as I like to call it) poll didn't make Fark politics. You remember? The one three weeks ago that showed Obama with a 15 point lead? Yeah that one got greenlit, but not the one this week that shows him with a 3 point lead.

I read at least on story on Fark about that very poll. Spooky.
 
GoRedSoxGo
2008-07-14 6:59:22 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: GoRedSoxGo:
Oh, God. Old martyr complex is old.

Oh relax. "Jus' a bit o' a joke"

/Still pissed that the recent Newsweek (or Obamaweek as I like to call it) poll didn't make Fark politics. You remember? The one three weeks ago that showed Obama with a 15 point lead? Yeah that one got greenlit, but not the one this week that shows him with a 3 point lead.

http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=3730322
 
Bill Frist
2008-07-14 6:59:29 PM  


/Still pissed that the recent Newsweek (or Obamaweek as I like to call it) poll didn't make Fark politics. You remember? The one three weeks ago that showed Obama with a 15 point lead? Yeah that one got greenlit, but not the one this week that shows him with a 3 point lead.


Obama being only ahead by a dozen points in Illinois got greened immediately in the middle of the day. OTOH, I had to submit the poll showing McCain LOSING Arizona (a far bigegr deal than "only" winning by double digits) about a dozen times before it finally got greened at like 4 am.


so it goes
 
Hang On Voltaire
2008-07-14 6:59:52 PM  
MPAVictoria:

Ya because that never happens....

http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=3732903
http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=3730322
http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=3730586

You right wingers are such crybabies.

My apologies. The recent Newsweek poll did get greenlit. Guess using anecdotal evidence is not very good if your anecdotal evidence is WRONG.
 
baorao
2008-07-14 7:00:17 PM  
I hope none of you FISA people ever again criticize abortion or gay marriage people for being "single issue voters".
 
culebra
2008-07-14 7:01:10 PM  
Bill Frist: so it goes

We've really lost a great many social and political satirists within the past several years.
 
Simplest Quantum System Conceivable
2008-07-14 7:01:42 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: GoRedSoxGo:
Oh, God. Old martyr complex is old.

Oh relax. "Jus' a bit o' a joke"

/Still pissed that the recent Newsweek (or Obamaweek as I like to call it) poll didn't make Fark politics. You remember? The one three weeks ago that showed Obama with a 15 point lead? Yeah that one got greenlit, but not the one this week that shows him with a 3 point lead.

15pts = outlier, and unique
3pts = reasonable, like a zillion others.

The first respected nationwide poll that shows McCain up by more than the MOE will be greenlit.
 
Hang On Voltaire
2008-07-14 7:02:03 PM  
GoRedSoxGo:

http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=3730322

OK OK. I admit I was wrong.

/I know I know. My bad. I guess what I saw that didn't get greenlit was another submission for the same story
 
CaptMacMillian
2008-07-14 7:02:22 PM  
culebra: smooshie: What the fark was Obama thinking with the FISA vote?

Link (new window)

Needs more emphasis:

OBAMA'S POST ABOUT HIS VOTING REASONS (new window)
 
Fatslave
2008-07-14 7:03:33 PM  
Some people realize the lesser of two evils is still evil and choose not to vote for evil.
 
GoRedSoxGo
2008-07-14 7:04:10 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: GoRedSoxGo:

http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=3730322

OK OK. I admit I was wrong.

/I know I know. My bad. I guess what I saw that didn't get greenlit was another submission for the same story

It's cool. It was submitted a number of times, if I remember right. Good on ya for admitting a mistake. I respect that.
 
Neurochemist
2008-07-14 7:04:28 PM  
Anyone not voting for Obama over FISA = the same as people not voting for Obama who supported Clinton.

If you truly care about the constitution, you are not going to empower someone who would be 100x worse the Obama. And "empower" is exactly what you do to McCain if you don't vote for Obama.
 
Simplest Quantum System Conceivable
2008-07-14 7:04:31 PM  
Flying Jester: culebra: smooshie: What the fark was Obama thinking with the FISA vote?

Link (new window)

Interesting. I can see a bit of an attempt to court independent, security-minded voters, but I don't think that is big enough a voting block to make the backlash worthwhile.

/Ah well, will still prolly vote for him.

The real reason is that he was already thinking about himself as president and he wanted to preserve his ability to wiretap the Clintons 24/7 so he could sleep at night without fear.
 
Suicidal Writer
2008-07-14 7:05:15 PM  
The partisan Democrats are like cultists when Nader's name is mentioned or people dare support the candidate they feel is best.

It follows the same structure as a religious cult.
 
Duke_Phillips
2008-07-14 7:05:32 PM  
I've said this before and I'll say it again, if you idiots lose to McCain after losing to friggin' GWB twice you should really just disband as a party. Especially if it's over one stupid issue. Next the Republicans will run a sea otter with diarrhea and you'll lose to that.
 
culebra
2008-07-14 7:05:50 PM  
Fatslave: Some people realize the lesser of two evils is still evil and choose not to vote for evil.

Internet White Knight?
 
Hang On Voltaire
2008-07-14 7:06:18 PM  
GoRedSoxGo:

It's cool. It was submitted a number of times, if I remember right. Good on ya for admitting a mistake. I respect that.

This was the one in the TF que that I saw that didn't get greenlit and I just didn't see the one on Fri

http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=3732585 (new window)
 
GoRedSoxGo
2008-07-14 7:07:24 PM  
Suicidal Writer: The partisan Democrats are like cultists when Nader's name is mentioned or people dare support the candidate they feel is best.

It follows the same structure as a religious cult.

BAWWWWWWWWWWWWW

yawn.
 
youl100
2008-07-14 7:07:27 PM  
Regardless of his FISA vote, I think I would much rather have Obama nominating Supreme Court justices than McCain.
 
BlackArt
2008-07-14 7:07:36 PM  
Who would want to vote for Nader's ego? Have they not learned from 2000 and 2004?
 
Lando Lincoln
2008-07-14 7:08:09 PM  
Moses To Sandy Koufax: Have no idea if he was or not, but why would he change his position on a bill his supporters hated that he knew would bring nothing but backlash? A big hunk of money would seem to cover the "motive" part of his vote, anyway.

I don't really know. But perhaps he and the Democrats made a deal with the telcos - "give us protection from citizens suing the crap out of us over this and we will give you anything you need for your case against the Bush administration when the time comes."
 
MPAVictoria
2008-07-14 7:08:39 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: MPAVictoria:

Ya because that never happens....

http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=3732903
http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=3730322
http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=3730586

You right wingers are such crybabies.

My apologies. The recent Newsweek poll did get greenlit. Guess using anecdotal evidence is not very good if your anecdotal evidence is WRONG.

No apologies required. Props for admitting you were wrong. That kind of honesty is all to rare.
 
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