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2008-05-07 12:39:42 PM  
What other people choose to eat sometimes angers and upsets me. I also use people's eating habits to define them politically.
 
2008-05-07 12:42:11 PM  
Heeeeeere we go! HURR GODDAM HIPPIE fagS GOD I HATE THEM SO MUCH I'LL FARKING KILL THE NEXT VAGATARIAN I SEE *wheeze* *wheeze*

Eighteen years of vegetarianism.
A thousand unsolicited conversations about it, usually while I'm trying to eat.
Exactly one real-life person with the stones to say anything remotely disapproving to my face. (Good for you, Mike, wherever you are.)

But then there's the internet! Go to it, tough guys!
 
2008-05-07 12:43:24 PM  
I admire the discipline it takes. I went veggie for a month. Afterwards: Best. Burger. Ever.
 
2008-05-07 12:49:43 PM  
One 'vegetarian' guy, who was easily around 400 lbs, pasty skin, and looked like Jabba the Hut, angrily told me that I wasn't a true vegetarian because I was wearing leather sandals. I never claimed to be vegan. Since then, I usually just say that I don't eat meat and leave it at that.

/have always wondered what kind of 'vegetarian' diet he ate...
 
2008-05-07 12:51:44 PM  
semiotix: A thousand unsolicited conversations about it, usually while I'm trying to eat.

well, dude, you wondered into this thread...
 
2008-05-07 12:52:38 PM  
As you're enjoying that pork loin next to me, I am not silently judging you. I realize that anyone who has encountered the breed of smug vegetarian who says things like, "I can hear your lunch screaming," will find this tough to believe, but I'm honestly not out to convert you.

this this this this this this this! Most of us don't care what you eat.

/vegetarian for 17 years
 
2008-05-07 12:52:48 PM  
I went skiing once in rural Pennsylvania. On the way to the slopes, we stopped for a late lunch at a fast food restaurant in a very small town. My friend Amy, who was at the time a vegetarian (a time, incidentally, before "salad" was a normal offering on fast food menus), protested. But there were no other real options to be had beside a scary-looking bar of some sort and the gas station down the street. "They'll have vegetarian options," we assured her. "It's a national chain. Of course they will."

We went inside to place our orders. Amy approached the counter with some trepidation, clearly on unsure footing. The clerk, an older woman with white curly hair and a hooked noise, eyed her dyed hair and nose ring suspiciously. "I'd like a vegetarian burger," Amy said.

"A what?" the woman asked.

"A vegetarian burger," Amy said.

"A vegetarian burger?" the woman asked.

"Yes," Amy said.

"You mean without the meat?"

"Yes," Amy said. "No meat. Just vegetarian."

"So you want a burger with no meat?"

Amy looked back at the rest of us, waiting by the door. We stifled our giggles and urged her on with encouraging waves. "Yes," she repeated. "No meat."

"Well, all right," the woman said, dubiously. "You want fries?"

"Are they cooked in fat?" Amy asked.

"Honey, everything here's cooked in fat."

"Except the vegetarian burger, you mean."

"Well, yes." The woman furrowed her brow. "I suppose that's true."

"OK," Amy said. "I'll just take a vegetarian burger and no fries."

"Want some pop?"

"Just water."

Amy paid, and waited at the counter as the woman walked to the back to prepare her meal. Less than a minute later, she returned with a rolled bag in hand. The woman passed the bag across the counter to Amy, who followed us out to the car. We pulled out of the parking lot, digging into our meals as we drove away. We hadn't even made it halfway down the block before Amy let out a wail and held up her unwrapped sandwich for us to see. Her vegetarian burger consisted of two pieces of bread around a shriveled leaf of lettuce.

Oh, but how we laughed the rest of the way up the mountain.
 
2008-05-07 12:54:23 PM  
Let's see here.... People Eating Tasty Animals, for every animal you don't eat I'll eat three, yadda yadda right next to the mashed potatoes, Tool lyrics, delicious delicious murder, "you know who else was a vegetarian," am I missing any?

Just trying to get the cliches out in one shot.
 
2008-05-07 12:55:39 PM  
When any carnivores berate me for being a leaf eater, I hit them with my tasp.
 
2008-05-07 12:58:34 PM  
I don't care if you're a vegetarian, but it certainly does make it a gigantic pain in the ass to go anywhere with you.
 
2008-05-07 12:58:49 PM  
semiotix: But then there's the internet! Go to it, tough guys!

Joke:
Noun

S: (n) joke, gag, laugh, jest, jape (a humorous anecdote or remark intended to provoke laughter) "he told a very funny joke"; "he knows a million gags"; "thanks for the laugh"; "he laughed unpleasantly at his own jest"; "even a schoolboy's jape is supposed to have some ascertainable point"
S: (n) jest, joke, jocularity (activity characterized by good humor)
S: (n) antic, joke, prank, trick, caper, put-on (a ludicrous or grotesque act done for fun and amusement)
S: (n) joke (a triviality not to be taken seriously) "I regarded his campaign for mayor as a joke"
Verb
S: (v) joke, jest (tell a joke; speak humorously) "He often jokes even when he appears serious"
S: (v) joke, jest (act in a funny or teasing way)

/not submitter
 
2008-05-07 1:00:02 PM  
Pocket Ninja: Her vegetarian burger consisted of two pieces of bread around a shriveled leaf of lettuce.

My wife, a vegetarian, orders veggie sandwiches at Wendy's all the time and gets lettuce, tomato, onion, and mayo. So it's gotten better since Amy ordered.

/even shows up on the drive-up screen as "Veggie Sandwich.....$0.89"
 
2008-05-07 1:00:51 PM  
RodneyToady: Let's see here.... People Eating Tasty Animals, for every animal you don't eat I'll eat three, yadda yadda right next to the mashed potatoes, Tool lyrics, delicious delicious murder, "you know who else was a vegetarian," am I missing any?

Just trying to get the cliches out in one shot.


- if God didn't want us to eat animals, why did he make them out of meat?
- Simpsons food chain picture
 
2008-05-07 1:01:51 PM  
Pocket Ninja: Want some pop?"

shenanigans. no pennsylvanian would say "pop"

Makh: When any carnivores berate me for being a leaf eater, I hit them with my tasp.

i'll broil some shtondat haunch with my flashlight laser in your honor
 
2008-05-07 1:02:22 PM  
I never understood why people give a shiat about what I eat. Seriously, I don't care what you eat.
 
2008-05-07 1:03:03 PM  
semiotix: Heeeeeere we go! HURR GODDAM HIPPIE fagS GOD I HATE THEM SO MUCH I'LL FARKING KILL THE NEXT VAGATARIAN I SEE *wheeze* *wheeze*

Eighteen years of vegetarianism.
A thousand unsolicited conversations about it, usually while I'm trying to eat.
Exactly one real-life person with the stones to say anything remotely disapproving to my face. (Good for you, Mike, wherever you are.)

But then there's the internet! Go to it, tough guys!


Well... it's kinda like non-smokers to me. I have no problem with non-smokers; hell, they're more healthy than I'll ever be; until one decides to deride me with coughing noises from 20 feet away on a windy sidewalk and give me that Javert look of disgust and disapproval, as if to say "how DARE you!"

Vegetarians are cool. Unless they look at my delicious steak from across a restaurant and start making gagging noises.....

Unfortunately, both things have happened.

Look: I don't make gagging noises when I see y'all eat pita and parsley sandwiches. I don't look in disgust at non-smokers who slurp down coffee rather than light up when they get stressed at work.

Let's just agree to be cool with each other.
 
2008-05-07 1:08:27 PM  
I notice I don't eat as much red meat as I used to. Not on animal-eating objections - - it's just that I tend to eat more fish and chicken lately.

But once in a while I absolutely *need* a steak.

Vegetarians are fine by me. I could probably be a vegetarian as long as I didn't have to eat lima beans. Gackkkkk.
 
2008-05-07 1:10:19 PM  
I tend to look at vegetarians the same way I'd look at teetotallers.

I don't agree, but whatever makes you happy.
 
2008-05-07 1:15:04 PM  
I like this headline
 
2008-05-07 1:24:32 PM  
eddyatwork: I never understood why people give a shiat about what I eat. Seriously, I don't care what you eat.

Because its an implied moral disdain. Assuming someone is a vegetarian for moral reasons, when they don't eat meat around you, its a pronouncement of a moral believe, and by definition they must think what I'm doing, by eating meat, is wrong. You may not be judging us in a vocal way, but it is implied via action.

Not saying I agree with this, just explaining it.
 
2008-05-07 1:37:16 PM  
If you think there are 290 million normal people in this country, you need to get out more.
 
2008-05-07 1:38:36 PM  
we're taking over! fear our wrath 96.7% majority!
 
2008-05-07 1:39:29 PM  
Just like anything else 99% of people really don't care what, when or how you do something. The other 1% ruin it.
 
2008-05-07 1:40:57 PM  
So suddenly 3% is normal? I don't really care what people eat, but being a vegetarian is abnormal. Redefining "normal" is silly.
 
2008-05-07 1:42:36 PM  
I just can't possibly imagine walking up to a stranger and making gagging noises to judge what they eat. Maybe I've been skipping too many of my Self Righteous Asshole 101 classes this semester, or something.
 
2008-05-07 1:43:30 PM  
eddyatwork: I never understood why people give a shiat about what I eat. Seriously, I don't care what you eat.

Most people don't care what you eat, either.

I know I don't. I only care what the foolish, vocal vegetarians eat, especially when they try to convince me to convert to their unnatural, unhealthy diets simply because they have their facts wrong.
 
2008-05-07 1:44:22 PM  
I was 285 lbs when I ate meat, and I lost 50 the first year I was vegetarian. I am about 200 now.

Pocket Ninja: Amy paid, and waited at the counter as the woman walked to the back to prepare her meal. Less than a minute later, she returned with a rolled bag in hand. The woman passed the bag across the counter to Amy, who followed us out to the car. We pulled out of the parking lot, digging into our meals as we drove away. We hadn't even made it halfway down the block before Amy let out a wail and held up her unwrapped sandwich for us to see. Her vegetarian burger consisted of two pieces of bread around a shriveled leaf of lettuce.

Oh, but how we laughed the rest of the way up the mountain.


This drives me nuts. All restaurants have to do is buy one box of frozen veggie burgers a year and then overcharge me when I order one. It's not hard.

DarthBrooks: Vegetarians are fine by me. I could probably be a vegetarian as long as I didn't have to eat lima beans. Gackkkkk.

I never eat lima beans.

/or brussel sprouts

DamnYankees: Because its an implied moral disdain. Assuming someone is a vegetarian for moral reasons, when they don't eat meat around you, its a pronouncement of a moral believe, and by definition they must think what I'm doing, by eating meat, is wrong. You may not be judging us in a vocal way, but it is implied via action.

Not saying I agree with this, just explaining it.


You're a little off there. Most vegetarians don't really care what you eat or when you eat. We realize that eating meat is culturally acceptable by a wide margin and therefore do not make the moral judgment for others (at least veggies like me). I think what you are doing is wrong, but I do not think you are wrong for doing it.
 
2008-05-07 1:45:26 PM  
Humean_Nature: I just can't possibly imagine walking up to a stranger and making gagging noises to judge what they eat.

So I can assume that you aren't the PETA member who dumped a Diet Coke on my head because I had the audacity to eat a steak when they decided to rush into a restaurant to protest?
 
2008-05-07 1:45:41 PM  
amanogowa: Most people don't care what you eat, either.

I know I don't. I only care what the foolish, vocal vegetarians eat, especially when they try to convince me to convert to their unnatural, unhealthy diets simply because they have their facts wrong.


I'm not a vegetarian, but that's a whole lotta judgment in one post.
 
2008-05-07 1:45:44 PM  
amanogowa: I know I don't. I only care what the foolish, vocal vegetarians eat, especially when they try to convince me to convert to their unnatural, unhealthy diets simply because they have their facts wrong.

What exactly is unhealthy about being a vegetarian, oh wise one?
 
2008-05-07 1:46:45 PM  
cousin-merle: I think what you are doing is wrong, but I do not think you are wrong for doing it.

Honestly, there's no way saying that makes you look good. If someone commits a wrong action, and you don't blame them, you are basically saying they are powerless to control themselves - but you're not? Come on.
 
2008-05-07 1:48:21 PM  
Mercutio879: So I can assume that you aren't the PETA member who dumped a Diet Coke on my head because I had the audacity to eat a steak when they decided to rush into a restaurant to protest?

That would piss me off even to witness as a veggie. Some PETA lady was on the Colbert Report recently, and she was an embarrassment to vegetarians everywhere. Really, most of us don't do crazy stuff.
 
2008-05-07 1:48:46 PM  
"Eighteen years of vegetarianism.
A thousand unsolicited conversations about it, usually while I'm trying to eat."


Try bein' a guy who doesn't drink.
 
2008-05-07 1:50:55 PM  
Sussman: Try bein' a guy who doesn't drink.

I don't drink and have never ingested a drug in my life. But I loves me my meat.
 
2008-05-07 1:52:06 PM  
cousin-merle: That would piss me off even to witness as a veggie. Some PETA lady was on the Colbert Report recently, and she was an embarrassment to vegetarians everywhere. Really, most of us don't do crazy stuff.

i do crazy stuff, but that's from drinking too much, not being a vegetarian
 
2008-05-07 1:52:35 PM  
DamnYankees: Honestly, there's no way saying that makes you look good. If someone commits a wrong action, and you don't blame them, you are basically saying they are powerless to control themselves - but you're not? Come on.

No, I don't think you're powerless. I ride my bike to work because I think it is better for the environment. I wouldn't think you were a bad person if you drove your car to work. I don't think you are a bad person for eating meat. I don't think it is plausible, possible or practical for the entire world to switch to vegetarianism overnight. If you don't want to give up meat, that's entirely fine. Vegetarianism isn't like religion. Most of us aren't judgmental.
 
2008-05-07 1:52:40 PM  
Humean_Nature: amanogowa: Most people don't care what you eat, either.

I know I don't. I only care what the foolish, vocal vegetarians eat, especially when they try to convince me to convert to their unnatural, unhealthy diets simply because they have their facts wrong.

I'm not a vegetarian, but that's a whole lotta judgment in one post.


I should have been a little more clear -- I'm not judging, I am using criteria. Too many vegetarians around here seem to think their diet is healthier simply because they don't eat meat. Doritos are indeed "not meat" but that does not make it healthy, or natural, for that matter.

If you are intelligent about it, and admit that it is mostly a preference thing, or an ethics thing, or not care what I eat, I return the favor, and don't give you crap about what you eat.

The world is not so over populated (yet) that we can't stand a few vegetarians running around.
 
2008-05-07 1:53:49 PM  
mofroe: No no no--"internet tough guy" is different from "guy who's looking for any excuse to post his 'Lighten up, Francis' pic." Relax, I wasn't talking about you OR submitter.

Where are the ITGs, anyway? Usually they're in this kind of thread like flies on shiat. Oh well.
 
2008-05-07 1:53:55 PM  
Dead for Tax Reasons: i do crazy stuff, but that's from drinking too much little, not being a vegetarian

FTFY
 
2008-05-07 1:54:33 PM  
semiotix: Where are the ITGs, anyway? Usually they're in this kind of thread like flies on shiat. Oh well.

Will post to Main on Wed, 07 May 2008 at 3:49 PM
 
2008-05-07 1:54:44 PM  
cousin-merle: DamnYankees: Honestly, there's no way saying that makes you look good. If someone commits a wrong action, and you don't blame them, you are basically saying they are powerless to control themselves - but you're not? Come on.

No, I don't think you're powerless. I ride my bike to work because I think it is better for the environment. I wouldn't think you were a bad person if you drove your car to work. I don't think you are a bad person for eating meat. I don't think it is plausible, possible or practical for the entire world to switch to vegetarianism overnight. If you don't want to give up meat, that's entirely fine. Vegetarianism isn't like religion. Most of us aren't judgmental.


I gotta say, that is a pretty great explanation of the mindset. I understand that. Problem is I've also been yelled at and moralized at for not being environmental enough...

But your point stands, and I get what you're saying. Thanks for the explanation.
 
2008-05-07 1:55:40 PM  
Sussman: Try bein' a guy who doesn't drink.

NEVER! HURRR GODDAM TEETOTALERS I FARKING HATE THEM SO MUCH... etc etc. Hey, this is fun!
 
2008-05-07 1:56:59 PM  
cousin-merle: amanogowa: I know I don't. I only care what the foolish, vocal vegetarians eat, especially when they try to convince me to convert to their unnatural, unhealthy diets simply because they have their facts wrong.

What exactly is unhealthy about being a vegetarian, oh wise one?


Nothing is inherently unhealthy about it, but again, nothing is inherently healthy about it, either. It is a diet, same as any other. Some people manage to overcome the flaws in the diet and turn it into a fairly healthy one. It's no different than eating meat -- some people do it better than others.

To add to it, their are good and bad reasons to be a vegetarian. Your reasons might be good enough for you, but if you are going to try and force your beliefs on me, of attack my diet, you better have damn good reasons for doing so.

You can be an unhealthy vegetarian, for all the wrong reasons, and I won't give a shiat, as long as you are quiet about it.
 
2008-05-07 1:57:37 PM  
cousin-merle: I think what you are doing is wrong

why is it wrong?
 
2008-05-07 1:58:32 PM  
Mercutio879:

So I can assume that you aren't the PETA member who dumped a Diet Coke on my head because I had the audacity to eat a steak when they decided to rush into a restaurant to protest?


Those people are batshiat crazy -- I can't believe they do shiat like that.
 
2008-05-07 1:59:06 PM  
amanogowa: I should have been a little more clear -- I'm not judging, I am using criteria. Too many vegetarians around here seem to think their diet is healthier simply because they don't eat meat. Doritos are indeed "not meat" but that does not make it healthy, or natural, for that matter.

If you are intelligent about it, and admit that it is mostly a preference thing, or an ethics thing, or not care what I eat, I return the favor, and don't give you crap about what you eat.

The world is not so over populated (yet) that we can't stand a few vegetarians running around.


You might be surprised at how many vegetarians don't eat Doritos or other foods with 400 ingredients. I did have a vegan roommate in college who only ate candy and cookies though, and I have to admit I got stuck in a pizza phase for a little while. As long as you eat a diversity of foods with the bad stuff in moderation, it really doesn't matter if you're vegetarian or not. Spinach and chickpeas are generally healthier than cheeseburgers though.
 
2008-05-07 1:59:43 PM  
Here in the land down under, I've been hearing that meat is wrong because its unsustainable and uses too much water. The hippy types like to quote some huge amount of water it takes to make a steak. I like to point out if thats true, my uncles cows would have to be ankle deep in water for their entire lives and the cattle farm has has been producing steaks for over 150 years with no change in nutrient output unlink many of the organic veggie farms where the veggies don't have nearly as much nutritional value as they did 30 years ago. Many midwest farms feed methane producing buffalo for 10,000 years before they became cattle farms without any problems.
 
2008-05-07 2:00:05 PM  
DON.MAC: Here in the land down unde

Where you at? I'm coming to Sydney to work for the summer.
 
2008-05-07 2:06:59 PM  
DON.MAC: Here in the land down under, I've been hearing that meat is wrong because its unsustainable and uses too much water. The hippy types like to quote some huge amount of water it takes to make a steak. I like to point out if thats true, my uncles cows would have to be ankle deep in water for their entire lives and the cattle farm has has been producing steaks for over 150 years with no change in nutrient output unlink many of the organic veggie farms where the veggies don't have nearly as much nutritional value as they did 30 years ago. Many midwest farms feed methane producing buffalo for 10,000 years before they became cattle farms without any problems.

You hit the major problem with vegetarianism -- it's both inefficient and unsustainable at our current global population. Even ignoring the inefficiencies of organic farming, there is much of the planet that cannot effectively grow human-consumable crops without high inputs and effort. Much of the southwest is very suited to cattle farming -- about the only thing that grows in the arid, rocky areas with poor soil are grasses that humans cannot eat -- but the cattle do just fine.

I recently attended a lecture where the speaker pointed out that for the world to go vegetarian, we would need something like 4x the arable land, and to go vegan something like 12x... and organic was something like 70x the arable land as vegetarian as you need to let the land rest more, and even more for vegan, as you would need to either raise non-food animals simply for the organic fertilizer, or not use fertilizer at all.

Too many people fail to realize these things.
 
2008-05-07 2:08:13 PM  
DamnYankees: Where you at? I'm coming to Sydney to work for the summer.

I'm in Melbourne.
Summer your time, or summer our time?
 
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