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(TwinCities.com)   Old and busted: Students get suspended over swords. New hotness: They bought 18-inch LOTR replicas in London while 4,000 miles from school   (twincities.com) divider line
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2008-04-24 4:41:33 PM  
I bet lots of guys had "sword-fights" in their younger days.
 
2008-04-24 4:48:57 PM  
A chaperone found the duct-taped boxes that held the swords after the students left the store. The swords were confiscated on the trip and never made it to Minnesota.

If the $$ wasn't refunded, I'd be pissed.
 
2008-04-24 8:15:23 PM  
Superintendent John Currie said the district uses its best judgment on a case-by-case basis.

"We make the best decision we can to protect the safety of everybody involved," he said.


Yeah, that sounds exactly like what happened here.
 
2008-04-24 8:15:45 PM  
look on the bright side - someone's dad has some cool new swords.
 
2008-04-24 8:16:01 PM  
Really lame. I mean buying LOTR memorabilia.
 
2008-04-24 8:16:42 PM  
By "suspended", you mean "expelled", like the story says, right, subby? Big difference.
 
2008-04-24 8:16:44 PM  
I don't think there's anything left on the internet that surprises me. I've reached the limit of my expectations for logic or reason or justice. I think I'm going to become a hermit, now; good day.
 
2008-04-24 8:17:19 PM  
"It wasn't like he was buying an M-16," the father said.

Well as long as it was not a real M16, and not prchased on a schol trip there would have been no consequences from purchasing an AR15

/I thought that samurai swords were illegal in UK?
 
2008-04-24 8:17:34 PM  
I read that as "S Words", so I thought, "They were suspended for saying 'Shiat'? That is asinine."
 
2008-04-24 8:17:36 PM  
Tripp Fisk frowns upon their shenanigans.
 
2008-04-24 8:17:39 PM  
That's dumb. When we went to midevil times on a school trip, everone who bought swords had to let the an adult chaperone hang on to it until we got back and were heading home. Why the hell wouldn't they just do that?
 
2008-04-24 8:19:51 PM  
A popular student once brought a toy gun to the high school, and Kyte had to expel him.

"Had I let him off the hook, the signal would've gone to students that we didn't care about the policy," Kyte said.


No. Had you let him off the hook, the signal would've gone out to students that you had some common sense in applying the policy.

Idiot.
 
2008-04-24 8:19:58 PM  
The headline is a little off - I think those three samurai swords the one kid bought is much cooler than the LOTR sword...

Do you think the LOTR sword could have actually hurt anyone more than a baseball bat would?
 
2008-04-24 8:20:52 PM  
Weird. I get a farked link to some secure page when I click on the story. Farked already?
 
2008-04-24 8:21:04 PM  
"The process is fair, and the process is equitable," Roseen said. "And if someone gets caught up in something where they made a mistake, I'm sorry about that. There's a policy we're going to go by."
So I bet this guy never biatches when the cops pull him over for speeding and give him a ticket...
 
2008-04-24 8:21:33 PM  
> Do you think the LOTR sword could have actually hurt anyone more than a baseball bat would?

Of course not. If you want a proper sword, go to some place like darkwood armory, not some place that sells 440C swords.
 
2008-04-24 8:22:54 PM  
Zero
Tolerance
Doesn't
Work!
 
2008-04-24 8:23:14 PM  
The whole story is pretty much 150% pure distilled idiocy, but this got my attention:

Some choose a zero-tolerance rule, while others have a "no-tolerance" policy that gives school officials more discretion in discipline.

Hmm, zero-tolerance != "no-tolerance"? Is it the quotes?
 
2008-04-24 8:24:03 PM  
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2008-04-24 8:26:14 PM  
OccamsWhiskers: The whole story is pretty much 150% pure distilled idiocy, but this got my attention:

Some choose a zero-tolerance rule, while others have a "no-tolerance" policy that gives school officials more discretion in discipline.

Hmm, zero-tolerance != "no-tolerance"? Is it the quotes?


Instead of having zero tolerance, they have no tolerance. It's like coke and pepsi.
 
2008-04-24 8:27:11 PM  
WHAT SAY YOU?!?!?!
 
2008-04-24 8:27:28 PM  
FTFA

"Had I let him off the hook, the signal would've gone to students that we didn't care about the policy," Kyte said

Or you could have reviewed the circumstances like human beings with objectivity and actual opinions of your own instead of being a bunch of farking robots unable to process different situations.

neomatt: "The process is fair, and the process is equitable," Roseen said. "And if someone gets caught up in something where they made a mistake, I'm sorry about that. There's a policy we're going to go by."
So I bet this guy never biatches when the cops pull him over for speeding and give him a ticket...


It's also the kind of guy who can't ever get laid by someone more attractive than a 4 on the hotness scale and secretly cries himself to sleep because he thinks he's a great guy. His only control over his life is enforcing stuipd ass rules on kids who have no recourse.
 
2008-04-24 8:28:41 PM  
So would Sikh students be automatically expelled too?
 
2008-04-24 8:30:40 PM  
Zero tolerance = Laziness
 
2008-04-24 8:30:43 PM  
There can only be one.
 
2008-04-24 8:30:54 PM  
Zero Tolerance = Zero Common Sense, IMO.

Was it really SUCH a terrible thing to set guidelines and *gasp* let the administration use common sense and their best judgment when disciplining?

A friend of mine back in high school caught the beginning wave of this "zero tolerance" -- she was expelled from school for having a swiss army knife in her car, which was parked on school property. She didn't get to graduate at the school she spent 3.5 years at because of some stupid policy. Not really fair that they treated her the same as the guy who was selling knives in the bathroom.
 
2008-04-24 8:32:29 PM  
The public must agree with these policies though because other than the people directly affected I don't see too many people getting upset.

De public is scarred.
 
2008-04-24 8:35:59 PM  
rancid weasel: > Do you think the LOTR sword could have actually hurt anyone more than a baseball bat would?

Of course not. If you want a proper sword, go to some place like darkwood armory, not some place that sells 440C swords.


Huh, since those "swords" are so dangerous, why don't they start banning baseball bats? In fact, they should just expel anyone on the baseball team; they're probably just there for the free weapons...
 
2008-04-24 8:36:33 PM  
I can remember one student at my High School bringing in a pair of Civil War era sabres for props in a drama class, no probs. I brought in an antique katana for a history class, again no problem. This generation is going to cut themselves to death on plastic spoons, because they have no familiarity with anything that has an edge.
 
2008-04-24 8:36:43 PM  
rancid weasel: Of course not. If you want a proper sword, go to some place like darkwood armory, not some place that sells 440C swords.

I
Also, Angel Sword.
 
2008-04-24 8:36:48 PM  
Three "samurai swords" for $60? They must be made out of cheap metal and have blunt edges. Not exactly a deadly weapon. Those things can't even be sharpened.

I suppose you could bruise someone.
 
2008-04-24 8:37:25 PM  
A guy who's daughter was on the trip called in to a local radio station today. The kids spent 9 months preparing for the trip. They had extensive meetings with the students, parents, teachers and chaperones in attendance. The students were told no drinking, ect . . and no buying weapons. the students asked the chaperone if they could buy the swords in question and were told no. They did it anyway.
Are you telling me that York, England is the only place in the world you can get your hands on one of these LOTR swords?
Still a pretty harsh punishment if you ask me.
 
2008-04-24 8:37:35 PM  
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The only thing that came to mind while reading the article.
 
2008-04-24 8:38:43 PM  
Thank allah for private schools.

When I was in school, and teacher needed to open something... she would ask to borrow a knife. No SWAT teams were ever called.

At our school, the principal might go to your car to admire your new shotgun.

Protect us from us, plllleeeease!
 
2008-04-24 8:39:24 PM  
try that again.

rancid weasel: I heart you!
 
2008-04-24 8:40:29 PM  
The nanny state is infectious!
 
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2008-04-24 8:42:14 PM  
-1 to subby for exceedingly poor use of cliche.
 
2008-04-24 8:43:16 PM  
citizen905: The nanny state is infectious!

Infectious hell, they brought it home with them!
 
2008-04-24 8:44:21 PM  
"Zero-tolerance" policies at schools are useless. All they do is let administrators off the hook for helping kids grow up.
 
2008-04-24 8:49:33 PM  
Cripes sake, people, Zero Tolerance is just as bad as those symbolic "Three Strike" felony laws. Without regard for individual circumstances, we immediately throw the book at people. Forget reason, forget individual rights, just put them away and ruin their lives.


(FWIW, Farkers, if the felony prison terms made sense and were appropriately passed down AND served in the first place, would we need a Strike Two or Three? No.)



We really need to consider that the entire country is rapidly being litigated to death with broad-scoping logic-defying laws and regulations like this being generally accepted. And how this is ruining our society.

Thanks to the stupid Baby Boomers in charge for ruining it for the rest of us. Hurry up and die, you old hippy bastards.

/my troll-fu
//let me show you it.
///or not.
 
2008-04-24 8:56:24 PM  
dylanthomas A guy who's daughter was on the trip called in to a local radio station today. The kids spent 9 months preparing for the trip. They had extensive meetings with the students, parents, teachers and chaperones in attendance. The students were told no drinking, ect . . and no buying weapons. the students asked the chaperone if they could buy the swords in question and were told no. They did it anyway.
Are you telling me that York, England is the only place in the world you can get your hands on one of these LOTR swords?
Still a pretty harsh punishment if you ask me.


Never let the facts get in the way of working up a righteous indignation.
 
2008-04-24 8:57:19 PM  
Mr. Currie

I have never heard of a such stupidity. Your school district and its administrators have become the laughing stock of the country.

The Milgrim experiment lives.

--


English Teacher
Nanjing, China
 
2008-04-24 8:58:52 PM  
Lame! No Florida tag and no tazers used on the kids - what a wasted opportunity... you're doing it wrong, Minnesota!
 
2008-04-24 9:00:00 PM  
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2008-04-24 9:01:36 PM  
When I traveled to China with about 100 other students my freshman year of high school I packed a knife in my checked luggage which was discovered by x-ray and confiscated by one of my teachers. This resulted in me being told I was probably going to be suspended upon our return. That was until we arrived in China and shortly after most, if not all, of the other students started to purchase lighters, knives, swords, fireworks, cigarettes, alcohol and the like. I immediately asked our district superintendent who was with us on the trip and was the one who told me about my upcoming discipline if the others would also be treated in this fashion. Realizing this would result in the suspension and possible expulsion of 75-100 students, most on the honor roll and heavily involved in school activities, she decided that maybe zero tolerance wasn't the answer. I also got the knife back, but a little over three years later when I was handed my diploma as she had kept it the entire time.
 
2008-04-24 9:03:09 PM  
I carried a Swiss Army Knife every day while in high school. Used it all the time.. hangnails, fix a notebook or something, loose thread in clothing, etc etc. Graduated in 1996 and DAMN GLAD I wasn't born later than I was. This world is going insane.

If the above poster is correct that they were denied permission to buy swords and did so anyway, then that *is* a punishable offense. TFA only cites the no weapons policy and says nothing about direct insubordination.. which could warrant suspension but not expulsion.
 
2008-04-24 9:07:05 PM  
The swords were confiscated on the trip and never made it to Minnesota.

Woh, wait. what?

I know they were just kids, but even then I think I'd be hard pressed to allow someone to rob me, especially if I conveniently had just acquired a tool to defend myself from wanton banditry.
 
2008-04-24 9:12:28 PM  
This sort of insanity is just a reminder that the unionized dullards who are busy squeezing the intellectual and creative life out their students in schools like this are at least providing some minions to go work for the kids who are lucky enough to get an education elsewhere.
 
2008-04-24 9:15:40 PM  
Agrees with Baccaruda.

Grad in '93, and all from grade 8 still to this day I have carried a Swiss Army knife on my persons. Never once crossed my mind to cause and physical harm with it altho I fixed alot of broken stuff.
 
2008-04-24 9:21:16 PM  
This was at my school (eagan high). All of us students agreed that the punishment fit the crime. All I could think of was ownage. The chaperone who caught them was the principal. LOTR lol. The school of enviromental studies is full of emos and fat girls so nobody cared about that douche. farkin idiots.
 
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