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(Yahoo)   Huffington Post correspondent shocked--SHOCKED--to discover that US politicians use the Autopen. A lot   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2008-04-09 12:34:22 PM  
What a blithering idiot.

That is all.
 
2008-04-09 1:01:06 PM  
Oh dear... I haven't heard of these before. That would explain why sometimes I find "autographed copies" where the signature is on a sticker on the fly leaf.

Also explains how there can be three signatures on my diploma.

On the flip side, I'm looking around the site of a company that makes autopen systems. They have some units that are supposed to fully reproduce writing. Some devious applications for those machines, if they don't have encoded flaws for ID purposes.

I sense a serial killer using an autopen type device to write the notes in an upcoming episode of CSI. Or a pen plotter with a funky handwriting like font.
 
2008-04-09 1:46:48 PM  
I can't imagine how much therapy this guy needed when he found out Santa Claus wasn't real.
 
2008-04-09 2:03:50 PM  
I guess by "Huffington Post" you mean "Christian Science Monitor." Since that's whose logo is on the page.
 
2008-04-09 2:15:02 PM  
I, for one, am absolutely crushed and disillusioned by the revelation that my elected officials don't spend hours a week signing their names to hundreds of form letters and cards.
 
2008-04-09 4:01:56 PM  
LordPistachio: I guess by "Huffington Post" you mean "Christian Science Monitor." Since that's whose logo is on the page.

Nice. Submitter's numbskullery provides a refreshing companion to this bowling-ball sharp foray into the world of politics.
 
2008-04-09 4:11:41 PM  
Is it true that there is no speed limit on the Autopen?
 
2008-04-09 4:12:47 PM  
LordPistachio: I guess by "Huffington Post" you mean "Christian Science Monitor." Since that's whose logo is on the page.

And it's on a Yahoo URL. Why the hell would subby even bring up the HuffPo?

Oh, right, he's one of those poor persecuted conservatives who the liberal media's out to get.
 
2008-04-09 4:15:42 PM  
Nobody tell her about the scanner + photoshop + scissors + glue stick move, especially now that most people email letters of recommendation as PDFs now-a-days
 
2008-04-09 4:16:38 PM  
A funny related story is that at the National Archives they have several copies of the U.S. Constitution and Declaration of Independence on display. Only one of each is the real one of course (easy to tell because they are the least legible). But if you listen in to the conversations of the hundreds of tourists you hear them go "Wow, it looks so new" "Well its been very carefully protected you know". Basically I think you could swap out a copy for the real ones and nobody but the most intent historian would be able to tell (maybe delete a few of those pesky clauses while they are at it).

Anywho I think they should just bring back wax seals so the President can just stamp everything he wants to make official.
 
2008-04-09 4:17:36 PM  
FTFA: Call me naive and idealistic, but the experience marked the beginning of about two decades of political apathy.

Okay, ...yer naive and idealistic.

But why stop there?

Yer also unbelievably, laughably, overly sensitive which might also explain why the end of the article notes yer "working in a book about women's issues"

Good luck with yer 'issues".

After a coupla dozen book signing sessions we'll prolly hear ya singing a different tune about the auto-pen is Quatchi's guess!
 
2008-04-09 4:20:37 PM  
Reminds me of Rumsfeld autopenning the signatures on letters to families of those lost in Iraq. Which is NOT the norm.
 
2008-04-09 4:21:27 PM  
Yes, senators should sign all documents and waste time working on all those pesky bills/laws. I voted for someone to write me personally, not govern or pass legislation.
 
2008-04-09 4:22:19 PM  
And that's not the worst of it.

Many of the Washington sex scandals today are actually carried out with an autopenis.
 
2008-04-09 4:23:00 PM  
LiberalWeenie: Reminds me of Rumsfeld autopenning the signatures on letters to families of those lost in Iraq. Which is NOT the norm.

You learn about the death of your loved one with the signature you're given, not the signature you wish you had.
 
2008-04-09 4:25:35 PM  
One of the handful of things I got from my grandfather's estate (along with the can full of silver coins--thanks Granddad) was a stack of first-day covers signed by politicians. Granddad being a staunch Republican, a bunch of them have Nixon's signature. Well, I should say "signature", because they're all autopenned.

But the amusing thing about the covers is that they are also signed by some lesser politicians, including a few governors and Congressmen. And for the most part those signatures are real! Yes, they (OK, probably a secretary) signed their names while Tricky Dick used an autopen. I'm not sure why that seems so Nixonesque, but they're amusing to see.
 
2008-04-09 4:27:17 PM  
All official government documents should be thumbprinted in blood by the authorizing agent.
 
2008-04-09 4:28:48 PM  
I am shocked.

I thought they had the decency to have a secretary forge it for them.
 
2008-04-09 4:38:36 PM  
SnakeLee: Nobody tell her about the scanner + photoshop + scissors + glue stick move, especially now that most people email letters of recommendation as PDFs now-a-days

My autopen is taking notes of this for future reference.
 
2008-04-09 4:50:38 PM  
I work for a politician

So I'm really getting a kick out of... yadda yadda...


/Autosig (you will never know the difference)
/cb
 
2008-04-09 5:09:42 PM  
Superjoe: I am shocked.

I thought they had the decency to have a secretary forge it for them.


I was a district-office congressional intern in 1996. Some of the letters he signed, most were by his chief of staff, a few by his senior staffer, and I may have even signed a few. He always signed everything with these blue felt-tip pens, so I guess it was easier to fudge than with a ballpoint.

I mentioned one day that it was my parents' 25th anniversary, on a day he happened to be in the office, and he said he wanted to drop them a note. So I jotted down their names on a piece of paper and handed it to him. He took a piece of note-sized stationery and hand-wrote quite a nice message for them. That one I know he signed himself. (I don't know if they had any intention thereof anyway, but my parents couldn't frame it because he wrote the notes on both sides of the page.)
 
2008-04-09 5:15:12 PM  
Cagey B: LordPistachio: I guess by "Huffington Post" you mean "Christian Science Monitor." Since that's whose logo is on the page.

Nice. Submitter's numbskullery provides a refreshing companion to this bowling-ball sharp foray into the world of politics.


Not to mention that, ftfa, the writer of the article had learned this many many years ago when working for John McCain.
 
2008-04-09 5:33:33 PM  
It seems to me that the cynics in this thread have overlooked the real issue here. The very purpose of a signature is to affirm that the signatory of a document has personally verified/complied/agreed/etc. with the document. To allow subordinates to "consensually" forge such is to usurp the very purpose of such. Yes, powerful arguments for the practice exist, and yes, our bureaucracy is sufficiently cumbersome to occasionally necessitate such things, but it does not in any way provide the public with one more reason to doubt the legitimacy of our government's word.

If it is a senior staffer that vets a document, he/she should sign it with the consent of the Senator/whoever. Anything else betrays the trust of the office. A striking example of an official (albeit much-reviled) who personally put pen to paper was General Westmoreland--who personally signed the tens of thousands of death notifications in the Vietnam War. If he could do this, why can't a Senator personally sign a letter on behalf of someone on his staff? To quote Bob Dole--" Where's the outrage?"
 
2008-04-09 5:35:01 PM  
Ron Paul didn't write those newsletters...
 
2008-04-09 5:38:37 PM  
Fark me--My autopen wrote the last comment. Should say:

Yes, powerful arguments for the practice exist, and yes, our bureaucracy is sufficiently cumbersome to occasionally necessitate such things, but it does nonetheless provide the public with one more reason to doubt the legitimacy of our government's word.
 
2008-04-09 5:40:50 PM  
doyner: If it is a senior staffer that vets a document, he/she should sign it with the consent of the Senator/whoever. Anything else betrays the trust of the office. A striking example of an official (albeit much-reviled) who personally put pen to paper was General Westmoreland--who personally signed the tens of thousands of death notifications in the Vietnam War. If he could do this, why can't a Senator personally sign a letter on behalf of someone on his staff? To quote Bob Dole--" Where's the outrage?"

Plausible deniability. If somebody autopens something incorrectly, the person in charge will claim to have not actually signed the document and therefore claim a lack of liability. If the person in charge is handed a stack of papers to sign buy the person who would have autopened it and simply trusts the person thereby signing the whole stack w/o reading any of it...they are directly liable.
 
2008-04-09 5:49:08 PM  
Riche 2008-04-09 04:22:19 PM
And that's not the worst of it.

Many of the Washington sex scandals today are actually carried out with an autopenis.


Zing!

After all, the Autopenis Mightier.
 
2008-04-09 6:04:46 PM  
Spent many an hour behind an autopen in the basement of a federal building.

Very hard to tell the difference.
 
2008-04-09 6:08:45 PM  
Does this mean my Presidential Christmas card was actually signed with an autocrayon?
 
2008-04-09 6:23:25 PM  
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Not Impressed. Did it(and Sally Hemmings)centuries ago.

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2008-04-09 8:36:42 PM  
letstakeawalk:

Yeah, it was mentioned in the article.

Riche: Many of the Washington sex scandals today are actually carried out with an autopenis.

Outstanding.
 
2008-04-09 10:40:16 PM  
Diogenes: I can't imagine how much therapy this guy needed when he found out Santa Claus wasn't real.

What?!
 
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