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2002-11-07 12:28:03 PM  

Way to pull out the race card, but I'm sorry to inform you
that many black people do not talk "ghetto" or "thug".
Not even all black people from the ghetto talk "ghetto" or "thug", who would've thought it?
2002-11-07 12:28:19 PM  
Don't both of these movies have the same plot......
2002-11-07 12:28:50 PM  
Wave ya hands in tha ayah!
Gonna wave 'em like-a jus don't cayah!

Lemme hear ya say HO-oh...

Lemme hear ya say HO HO...

2002-11-07 12:29:01 PM  
Fark filtered again.......
2002-11-07 12:29:54 PM  
I like Eminem's music. I also like guys. Let's keep the generalizations to a minimum, could we gang?
2002-11-07 12:31:10 PM  
We'll know for sure if it's good when the man has spoken.
2002-11-07 12:33:10 PM  
I'm glad Fark knows how to categorize their news.
2002-11-07 12:34:57 PM  

Something tells me that you are precisely the demographic that this movie is targetted at: Disaffected, mysogenistic, homophobic mouth-breathers.


Climb off the grammatical soapbox and correct your own spelling. it's targeted, not targetted.

As for everyone else, it's a movie. Move on with your lives.
2002-11-07 12:39:09 PM  

Eazy isn't breathing any air anymore.
2002-11-07 12:40:17 PM  
According to Metafilter, the average rating for this movie is 83/Univeral Acclaim. The lowest rating given to it by a critic is 7/10.


Oh, but we should listen to the IMDB nerds instead, right?
2002-11-07 12:42:29 PM  
Bbcrackmonkey--2 points
1. Shakespeare did not recycle old plot devices, he created plot devices that have been imitated through the years.
2. "I saw his biography on MTV" well then it must be true. MTV has always been the paragon of journalistic integrity.
2002-11-07 12:42:53 PM  
Now, I'm not into rap. I do like some of Eninem's music...the stories behind them.

8 MIle will be the same. I read a review of the screening before the final editing happened. The writer said big name people, other actors, athletes, and musicians were there watching it. There's a part where "Jimmy (Rabbit/Eminem)" starts off a rap fest on a guy because he was making fun of a gay co-worker of Jimmy's.

The writer then said Eminem/8 Mile recieved a standing ovation, Sharon Stone was included.

Eminem's a white rapper MAKING it in a prodomently black industry, and for that, I admire him.

I hope he even wins an award for this film, the writer of the review said she was suprised '8 Mile' actually had very, very good acting from everyone, Eminem included.
2002-11-07 12:44:26 PM  
There is quite a lot of rap that I like: Guru, Eric B. & Rakim, and The Pharcyde to name a few. Good music, good rhymes. As for Eminem, I don't think that the under 18 white guys on this board should take it personally because, what some people find to be crap music coming from an overblown media incarnation, is what you perceive as some sort of Moses leading all the jive turkey middle class whiteys to some idealized world of ghetto coolness. You've been had.

Quit with all the retarded social issues you think this guy stands for. He and his music are annoying. Well...Then again, if it wasn't for Emimen, then the IH Stuntaz would have never been, so I quess he's not all bad.

Sorry for that rant. I am coming around.
2002-11-07 12:45:36 PM  
I've gotta disagree with a few things...

First off, Rap is the hair metal of our generation? Can't be. Rap has been around long before Hair Metal (See Sugarhill Gang, way back in the 70's.) That makes me believe that some of the repetitive rock/punk and rock/rap band mixes we hear nowadays (Blink 182, anyone?) truly qualifies as the mainstream crap of today.

And Hizzout is right. Jurassic 5 is pretty damn good.
2002-11-07 12:45:44 PM  
You think Eminem is talented with the way he uses words and "double-speak" then you should really check out Jimmy Pop from the Bloodhound Gang. The songs may not be as deep or meaningful as some others, but he is definately one of the most talanted lyricists ever.

Oh yeah, and NWA could kick Eminem's ass. And most music today does suck...with the exception of Sweden-produced bands.
2002-11-07 12:48:18 PM  
ASININE is people posting in a thread to do nothing more than bash and make ignorant generalizations. i'm not a fan, but he's got talent. buncha pathetic haters in here.
2002-11-07 12:50:51 PM  
NWA.... Yeah, that whole "Straight Outta Compton/Crazy motherf***er called Ice Cube/From a band called N***ahs Wif Attitude" thing. . . . Farking brilliant!!!!

and "F*** Tha Police." Awesome. Puts Shakespeare's use of language to shame.

Jesus. . . .
2002-11-07 12:51:04 PM  
Eminem is God and God is the Sniper so Eminem = Sniper
2002-11-07 12:51:54 PM  

I think BB was referring to the fact that if you read a majority of Shakespeare's dramas, he wrote one, and then used the same concepts and devices over for the next. While he did make the ideas up originally, he simply changed the names and the details in his other plays. Doesn't mean he isn't a genius, I rather like Shakespeare, being an actor and all... But after his first few plays, he wasn't the most orginal guy on the block either.

Nothing more gratifying than self flattery.
2002-11-07 12:52:24 PM  
Eminem is the closest thing to a real artist there is right now. I can't beleieve it. Someone with a real talent and real skill comes along and you people bash him like he is Christina Aguilera. I don't man, maybe you people have your heads stuck so far up your asses that there is no hope.
2002-11-07 12:58:42 PM  
Just a couple points.

1. 8 mile isn't the "deep ghetto" is is a border that seperates the suburbs from the city. This was more evident back in the 70's when you could cross over the 8 mile border IN DETROIT and notice a difference. 8 mile in itself does not constitute a boundry today. There are many affluent communites that have 8 mile as their north border (ie, they are south of it) like Northville and Livonia. It all depends on what intersection with 8 mile you are talking about. Such as woodward (the main N&S stretch through detroit) and 8 mile. Literally as you pass over the boarder of 8 mile you start noticing more steetlamps, better road conditions, etc. It all depends on where on 8 mile you are. And once again, 8 MILE IS NOT THE HEART OF THE GHETTO, IT IS A BORDER.

2. Eminem, is a talented lyricist. Plain and simple. I don't like his music at all, but I will admit that he is a talented lyricist. Not musician. Other hip-hop groups such as J5, Hieroglyphics Crew (Souls, Del, etc), Tribe, Beatnuts, EPMD, have just as good of lyricists as eminem. However, because his content or *ahem* he's white is the only reason why he's so popular. Many of the groups previously mentioned have much more cerebral content to their lyrics or not as catchy hooks to their songs. You must admit that my name is, real slim shady, and guess whos back all have the same catchyness to them. Not to mention that the aformentioned groups are a different type of rap/hip hop (not going to get into the discussion about the differences between the two, it is subjective).

3. The movie is okay.
The direction is good, the cinematography is good, the acting is (somewhat) good. The scipt just IS. There script is so formulamatic that the enitre thing becomes trite. Good guys fighting against odds vs. bad guys. In em's crew there is the best friend, the girlfriend, the traitor, the comic relief, and the big fat guy. In the end he overcomes adversity for self discovery. If that spoils the movie for you then you shouldn't go see the movie. It is an obvoious and predictable script. He does a very convincing white boy overcoming adversity in a black dominated community. Experince? However, cuba gooding jr won an oscar for jerry macguire for BEING HIMSELF(fark that). And even mariah carrey (sp) couldn't even play HERSELF in glitter. Not that i am advocating eminem winning an oscar (or even the obvious MTV movie award), but he was somewhat convincing, even though he was playing himself, in a very very trite script.

4. Check out this. It is a detroit area paper looking into two people that have been close to eminem. Interesting.
http://www.metrotimes.com/editorial/story.asp?id=4208 is the address for above incase it doesnt work.
2002-11-07 12:59:59 PM  
HodieTeck--I was an English major a long time ago and changed to History so i may have the number wrong, but aren;t there only like 7 different plots anyway?
2002-11-07 01:00:50 PM  
Keely1116 Who I Am has a hypnotic flow to it, because it's rapped in iambic pentameter.

More support for the Shakespeare thesis.

"Thou who be'est called verily Slim/and Shaded busteth a rhyme unto us."

So was Biggie Smalls Falstaff, and the bullet to the head his cask of sherry, or is Eminem his own Falstaff.
2002-11-07 01:02:29 PM  
-> There are plenty of white rappers out there besides just Eminem, and tons of DJ's as well <-

Well, let's not call everyone who is not black, white. A lot of the people you mentioned are of Latin backgrounds.
2002-11-07 01:02:36 PM  
waiting for the www.Filthycritic.com review.
2002-11-07 01:03:28 PM  
2002-11-07 01:07:16 PM  
"Eminem is the closest thing to a real artist there is right now"

You need to get out a bit more.
2002-11-07 01:08:39 PM  
Harryhausen: Bbcrackmonkey--2 points/ 1. Shakespeare did not recycle old plot devices, he created plot devices that have been imitated through the years.

Oh yeah, that whole Julius Cesar thing was masterfully original. I can't imagine where he got it. /sarcasm

Think, then type.

I agree completely with your other point, though. EmptyV is a waste of spectrum.
2002-11-07 01:09:47 PM  

Eminem is the new Madonna.

Discuss amongst yourselves.
2002-11-07 01:11:10 PM  
Did I say plots or plot devices? There is a difference.
2002-11-07 01:12:38 PM  

I honestly couldn't tell you either way. I'm not going to pretend I know more on this subject than I do. God knows I'd get called on it around here. ?:) The point I'm trying to make, though, is that the play "As You Like It" were the plays "Romeo and Juliet" and "The Taming of the Shrew" combined, with the male being the shrew. There is some basis for that claim.
2002-11-07 01:15:15 PM  
...I am from Detroit. I want to if it is possible to make our city look worse. Thanks Eminem, there is more Detroit than gangs and guns.

Like Techno music...yeah....

The offical Motto of Detroit is :" We hope for better days; it shall rise from the ashes."

-- (Source: Free Press Detroit Almanac)
2002-11-07 01:19:03 PM  
"Rap music" is my favorite oxymoron.
2002-11-07 01:26:39 PM  
A couple days ago, I saw a bus with an add for 8-mile on the sign going down 8-mile road, or M-102 as it is also known.

Maybe the sequel will be called M-102??
2002-11-07 01:26:41 PM  
Did I say plots or plot devices? There is a difference.
OK, I must be missing something. Cite me a couple of original Shakespeare plot devices, and we'll see if I can find you where he got them.

Honestly, I think you're overvaluing the wrong things. Billy Bard was all about use of language and Marketing. The Madonna of his time, if you will.(And frankly, even if you won't.)
2002-11-07 01:30:48 PM  
I wouldn't exactly call him the Madonna of his times, Steven Spielburg maybe but certainly not Madonna.
As for the whole plot device thing, there is no suck thing as a new plot device. When I was referring to Bbcrackmonkey I was commenting on his misconception of Shakespeare. But then again Shakespeare was white Anglo-Saxon so he should be discounted.
2002-11-07 01:31:47 PM  
Nearbystars: We'll know for sure if it's good when the man has spoken.

I dunno. He really hasn't been very on his game since Carrie Fisher nearly choked him to death over the Sarlaac pit.

2002-11-07 01:32:07 PM  
I think that if they make a rap movie, it should be a cinematization (new word, everybody!) of the trip-hop album Deltron 3030 by Del tha Funkee Homosapien, Dan "The Automator" Nakamura, and Kid Koala, which is a rap-opera that takes place in the year 3030, about a guy who's trying to save the universe from an intergalactic madman while trying to win the Fantabulous Rap Extravaganza. Picture Ziggy Stardust with scratching.
2002-11-07 01:33:33 PM  
Yeah, so my girlfriend has proclaimed that we will go see this crap on Fr. night, and since I hve lost all say in what goes on, I will be forced to not only go, but also pay for this crap. Pray for me.
-Dan K.-
2002-11-07 01:34:46 PM  
I grew up three houses off of 8 Mile Rd. in Detroit proper (I live in Washington, D.C., now), and I can't wait to see this movie. Very qualified director and I'm optimistic about Eminem's acting ability. I mean, in real life he's kind of quiet and low-key, but he can make himself seem like the angriest person on earth with the flick of a switch.

And, yes, he is talented. His songs aren't about baggin' ho's or bling-blingin' and all that shiat, they're about inner torment and personal struggle. That's a lot harder to write about, and takes a lot more guts to announce to the public.

If he had problems with his family, it's not necessairly his fault. Some people have biatches for moms, it's true. And growing up in the suburbs doesn't mean he isn't leading a hard life. A lot of the Detroit suburbs right along the 8 Mile border aren't dangerous, but they're trashy as hell. I'm not surprised Eminem found some escape in the Detroit hip-hop scene by crossing that border.
2002-11-07 01:34:52 PM  
...some sort of Moses leading all the jive turkey middle class whiteys to some idealized world of ghetto coolness. You've been had.

[*sniff*] That's beautiful, man!
2002-11-07 01:35:00 PM  
Okay, one last rant, and I promise I'll quit, excepting reponses to what I've posted earlier.

Okay. Eminem as an actor. The general opinion so far seems to be that he's playing himself. True, he's playing an rapper. But, opinion seems to be split on if he really came from "tha hood" or not, about 60/40 against his ghettoness. Doesn't that mean he's playing away from his type, A.K.A. making it a lot farking harder for him?

Truth of the matter is, no matter what movie you see, that actor is being himself. Character is created out of the kind of decisions the actor makes. So, in essence, it's much easier to pretend to be someone else than it is to actually be yourself. Believe me, I've tried. I haven't seen the movie yet, but I have to at least give him some credit for staying true to his character.

Misner technique, biatches.
2002-11-07 01:37:23 PM  
I live in Southfield. My Neighbood is about 50% black.
2002-11-07 01:38:44 PM  
Were there any movies made this year for anyone over the age of under 14?

nice grammar there. what are you 12?

I don't have to eat a pile of shiat to know that it's going to taste bad.

I don't have to see this movie to know that it's going to suck.

Then again, I can't stand the little punk ass attractive and successful Caucasian-American regardless... so it's purely an "IMHO" sorta thing.

the typical hater. people like you biatch and biatch about him but if i were to go through your cd's i bet you my life there is an eminem cd in there somewhere. whether it is his first one or latest one. hypocrit. and with a racist attitude like that someone smash this guy in the face with a brick too. who says rap is for black people? its the year 2002. wake up. no matter how much you want to keep music segregated it won't happen. so just stick to your country/rock music or whatever it is you listen to and don't bash someone that has raw talent. just about every album he's put out has gone at least platinum. most artists only dream of that happening.

and to the people that say he's fake. every rapper is FAKE. 90% of rappers that claim they are thug and killers have never even fired a gun in their life. STUPIDS! consider music like tv. it's all make believe. the most they want when they write lyrics is for the dumbfarks like yourself to believe it. some people need to get a clue. get out of your biatch ass sheltered life you live inside your cradle sucking on your mom's tit
2002-11-07 01:38:48 PM  
Southfield is a suburb that boreders Detroit, just so everyone knows... But our area code is 248, not 313 anymore. Damn Cell Phones!
2002-11-07 01:39:56 PM  
unyon: something tells me your are precisely who i targetted in my Boobies on this thread. GEEK. DWEEB.
2002-11-07 01:41:42 PM  
Ralph: sorry, hairbands were gone in the 80's and unfortunately they will never return :(
2002-11-07 01:41:59 PM  
You think Eminem is talented with the way he uses words and "double-speak" then you should really check out Jimmy Pop from the Bloodhound Gang. The songs may not be as deep or meaningful as some others, but he is definately one of the most talanted lyricists ever.

I think you're half right. I would say that Jimmy Pop is the Jimmy Page to Eminem's Keith Richards. He has better stylistic range, but I don't think you can pick between them on raw riffing. That is, of course just my opinion, which is always right for me and frequently irrelevant for everyone else.

(We're talking analogy, folks - relative talent, not absolute, so don't get your knickers in a twist. I am not comparing two rappers to two guitar gods. I am comparing the difference between two rappers to the difference between two guitar gods. It's vastly different thing, cheapening no one.)
2002-11-07 01:50:41 PM  
Noise77, what the heck? Did you even read what I posted or what? I was saying how people were making stereotypical claims. You made it sound like I was damning my race by saying that all black people speak a certain way! Horrendous! Re-read what I posted and take a few seconds to think about it. You might need to hold your hands over your ears, as information apparently leaks out of your brain at an alarming rate.
2002-11-07 01:50:56 PM  
Some of his lyrics will make you think, or at least they make a point and they're not about his personal angst. From "Square Dance..."

Yeah you laugh till your motherfarkin ass gets drafted
While you're at band camp thinking that crap can't happen
Until you fark around and get an anthrax napkin
Inside a package, wrapped in saran wrap wrapping
Open the plastic and then you stand back gasping
farking assassins hijacking Amtrak crashing..
With all of this terror america demands action
Next thing you know you got Uncle Sam's ass asking
To join the army or what you'll do for the navy
You're just a baby getting recruited at eighteen
I'm twenty-eight, they gonna take you 'fore they take me
Crazy insane, or insane crazy?
When I say you say, you say shady...

The above passage is a good example of Eminem's virtuosity and intelligence. He is the master of the subliminal hit and the inside rhyme. No one else in hip-hop writes lyrics that flow like this, with regards to both prosaic flow and following the beat.

He shouldn't have released "cleaning out my closet..." as a single. I'm a huge fan of Eminem, but I flip the station when that song comes on.... Also, the lyrics to "Without Me" are great, but the chorus does indeed use the word "Me" for almost every rhyme, which is indeed weak.

One of my favorite songs on his new album is "Sing for the Moment" where Eminem breaks out in a falsetto and sings about his little girl. The best part is when he flips over to a sort of screaming-singing voice and talks about being crazy. Gets me jazzed for some reason...
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