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(Politico)   Hillary and Barack agree to an April 16th debate in Philadelphia, but Hillary rejects a proposed debate in North Carolina. This is no surprise, because NC is not part of the United States That Matter   ( politico.com) divider line
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2008-03-13 08:16:51 PM  
Surely, Hillary did not stupidly agree to a debate on April 16.

April 16. The day after April 15. April 15. The day upon which taxes are owed to the federal and state governments.

This is an instant transparency issue for Barack Obama. $20 says she still hasn't released her tax returns, and he releases his on April 15/16 for all to see. Then he basically beats her over the head with it.
 
2008-03-13 08:18:39 PM  
you elected john edwards and jesse helms and insist on a vinegar based BBQ sauce.

you don't deserve respect.

/actually, george's BBQ sauce is teh awesome
 
2008-03-13 08:30:38 PM  
Jesus Farking Christ: This is an instant transparency issue for Barack Obama. $20 says she still hasn't released her tax returns, and he releases his on April 15/16 for all to see. Then he basically beats her over the head with it.

He doesn't even have to attack her on it himself. All he has to do is release his, and the media will do the rest.
 
2008-03-13 08:42:34 PM  
albo: you elected john edwards and jesse helms and insist on a vinegar based BBQ sauce.

NC is fairly well split on all these things. Especially vinegar sauce. Punches will be thrown over that.
 
2008-03-13 09:00:43 PM  
Jesus Farking Christ: Surely, Hillary did not stupidly agree to a debate on April 16.

April 16. The day after April 15. April 15. The day upon which taxes are owed to the federal and state governments.

This is an instant transparency issue for Barack Obama. $20 says she still hasn't released her tax returns, and he releases his on April 15/16 for all to see. Then he basically beats her over the head with it.


didn't he already release his?
 
2008-03-13 09:50:50 PM  
Jesus Farking Christ: $20 says she still hasn't released her tax returns, and he releases his on April 15/16 for all to see

He released his already. And yes, this was a very bad decision on her part unless she really will have them out by then and they really don't have anything to hide. But what are the odds of that?
 
2008-03-13 11:11:40 PM  
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2008-03-13 11:27:26 PM  
I imagine it's lose/lose for her on the tax issue either way. If she releases them before hand and has nothing to hide, well they will question why she didn't release them earlier. She winds up looking like she wants to hide even innocent information from the public. If she releases them and there is suspicious looking stuff in them, they nail her on that. The reasons there should be obvious. If she doesn't release them, well she gets hit again.

Waiting so long to release her tax returns has made this a bad situation all around for her. Unless of course the MSM overlooks the whole issue, which isn't entirely unlikely. If I were Hillary and there was evil crap in my returns, I'd throw a baby down a well and release them while the media was distracted.
 
2008-03-14 12:02:11 AM  
submitter: because NC is not part of the United States That Matter

Not being in the US, I haven't been followed a lot of the campaign coverage, outside of Fark. Has Obama been capitalizing on this statement yet?

He really should be, if he isn't.
 
2008-03-14 12:15:51 AM  
Empanda: If I were Hillary and there was evil crap in my returns, I'd throw a baby down a well and release them while the media was distracted.

Baby down a well is soooo '90s.

You want to hold the media's attention longer, kidnap a white girl.
 
2008-03-14 12:53:18 AM  
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LOOK AT THE BLAARGGAG!?

 
2008-03-14 01:07:27 AM  
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2008-03-14 01:49:03 AM  
veedeevadeevoodee: LOOK AT THE BLAARGGAG!?

man, multiple eyes really farks with your head.
 
2008-03-14 02:02:30 AM  
veedeevadeevoodee: LOOK AT THE BLAARGGAG!?

Holy Fark man. I was planning on going to sleep tonight.
 
2008-03-14 02:18:44 AM  
The BBQ sauce thing is actually the most vital issue of all.

Ask a Carolinian or a Memphian. But be prepared to get an ear full of drawl~
 
2008-03-14 02:20:41 AM  
I mean, a debate is nice and all but I don't really understand what else they have to talk about...We know their positions on the issues after 20+ debates so far. But, yeah, TV ratings.

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2008-03-14 02:24:21 AM  
If anyone thinks that hilldog would agree to this without a plan of attack, or a plan of defense, whichever the case may be, they have no idea of the sneakiness of her whole clan.
I am waiting to see what kindof "kitchen sink" the hilldog will release to the media so that everyone can chew on something real negative about Barry before this debate.
Obama is a class act, and keeps suprising me more and more the way he is handling this slime.
 
2008-03-14 02:26:14 AM  
CravenMorehead: He released his already. And yes, this was a very bad decision on her part unless she really will have them out by then and they really don't have anything to hide. But what are the odds of that?

I'll bet you $20 that she's been able to hide any financial "abnormalities" in her tax records and will release them and they'll show nothing of interest at all, and then she'll say, "See? All that complaining for nothing."
 
2008-03-14 02:27:43 AM  
veedeevadeevoodee: LOOK AT THE BLAARGGAG!?

Holy shat! I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight, thanks.
 
2008-03-14 02:39:53 AM  
If she doesn't agree to the April 19th CBS debate, people need to start hammering her on why she's refusing to do a debate moderated by the first female solo news anchor on network television. Is she trying to keep Katie Couric down?
 
2008-03-14 02:40:47 AM  
Lando Lincoln: CravenMorehead: He released his already. And yes, this was a very bad decision on her part unless she really will have them out by then and they really don't have anything to hide. But what are the odds of that?

I'll bet you $20 that she's been able to hide any financial "abnormalities" in her tax records and will release them and they'll show nothing of interest at all, and then she'll say, "See? All that complaining for nothing."


Better yet, she'll wait until Obama attacks her and then go into a whole "see, he promised to let off the personal attacks and he's a LIAR!" The Ferraro approach. I have little doubt that the press will simply ignore Hillary not releasing them, blast Obama for not blasting her, wait until he actually says something, and parrot Hillary's comments about Obama's personal attacks. Been a pretty consistent pattern this campaign season.
 
2008-03-14 02:42:48 AM  
rynthetyn: If she doesn't agree to the April 19th CBS debate, people need to start hammering her on why she's refusing to do a debate moderated by the first female solo news anchor on network television. Is she trying to keep Katie Couric down?

Again, people can hammer her all day. The press will instead hammer Obama for not hammering her. Once he does, Hillary will just issue another release condemning Obama for personal attacks which he is supposed "rising above" (aka with Ferraro, the Muslim nonsense, the kindergarten stuff).
 
2008-03-14 02:48:26 AM  
Remove all Republicans: Lando Lincoln: CravenMorehead: He released his already. And yes, this was a very bad decision on her part unless she really will have them out by then and they really don't have anything to hide. But what are the odds of that?

I'll bet you $20 that she's been able to hide any financial "abnormalities" in her tax records and will release them and they'll show nothing of interest at all, and then she'll say, "See? All that complaining for nothing."

Better yet, she'll wait until Obama attacks her and then go into a whole "see, he promised to let off the personal attacks and he's a LIAR!" The Ferraro approach. I have little doubt that the press will simply ignore Hillary not releasing them, blast Obama for not blasting her, wait until he actually says something, and parrot Hillary's comments about Obama's personal attacks. Been a pretty consistent pattern this campaign season.


I'd say the hell with Ferraro. It's a damaging enough blow, with damaging enough media coverage, to where Obama can just focus on McCain and let Hillary twist in the wind until she deals with it. He doesn't have to say a word about it.
 
2008-03-14 02:50:01 AM  
Shaggy_C: I mean, a debate is nice and all but I don't really understand what else they have to talk about...We know their positions on the issues after 20+ debates so far. But, yeah, TV ratings.

Debates are good for Clinton because she pisses money down the drain like most hobos guzzle alcohol, and she needs the free platform to get her message out when the media is incapable of goring her.

Debates are good for Obama because he mops the floor with her due to the fact he's able to remain levelheaded no matter how shrill she gets, which costs Hillary support and votes.
 
2008-03-14 02:50:03 AM  
albo: you elected john edwards and jesse helms and insist on a vinegar based BBQ sauce.

you don't deserve respect.

/actually, george's BBQ sauce is teh awesome


Vinegar based BBQ is awesome and we sent Helms up just to fark with you.
 
2008-03-14 02:54:38 AM  
Seems that there's been a few issues that have arose since the last round of debates that could make a fresh exchange worthwhile. Unless of course the first question is about Healthcare, and Hillary again spends 45 minutes arguing the razor-thin difference between their proposals which apparently must be fought to the death, since that's her signature issue and all.

And she's an idiot for not agreeing to any debate she can get at this point. Unless the idea is that she would be working on the tax returns well into the night of the 15th, and can't release them until the PA debate has started. I bet the plan is to file for a last-minute extension. ("Sorry America, I didn't have a Schedule E at home, maybe I can release my returns in July")
 
2008-03-14 02:54:49 AM  
JPJ007: He doesn't even have to attack her on it himself. All he has to do is release his, and the media will do the rest.

funny...I was reading an AP story a few hours ago that was bashing him for not releasing all of his earmarks from when he was a state senator.

according to the article he is a hypocrite for only having 80-90% of what they asked for but Hillary not releasing any was only about 2 sentences in the article.

the media wont do a damn thing to help in any way
 
2008-03-14 02:57:50 AM  
1) Vinegar based BBQ sauce is amazing and delicious.

B) Duke sucks


/Go Heels!
//Also, Go Gamecocks!
 
2008-03-14 02:57:58 AM  
Jesus Farking Christ: Surely, Hillary did not stupidly agree to a debate on April 16.

April 16. The day after April 15. April 15. The day upon which taxes are owed to the federal and state governments.

This is an instant transparency issue for Barack Obama. $20 says she still hasn't released her tax returns, and he releases his on April 15/16 for all to see. Then he basically beats her over the head with it.


She's gonna file for an extension.

Anything to keep from having to release records until we're either stuck with her or she loses.
 
2008-03-14 03:04:14 AM  
veedeevadeevoodee: LOOK AT THE BLAARGGAG!?

Holy crap man, I'm not going to be able to sleep for a week. Damn.
 
2008-03-14 03:19:29 AM  
I can't wait for my state to not matter.

/NC resident.
//I'm a yankee trapped behind enemy lines.
 
2008-03-14 03:46:50 AM  
albo: you elected john edwards and jesse helms and insist on a vinegar based BBQ sauce.

you don't deserve respect.

/actually, george's BBQ sauce is teh awesome


You do realize that when we elect someone to national office, it's to get them the hell out of our state, right?
 
2008-03-14 03:46:59 AM  
Lando Lincoln: CravenMorehead: He released his already. And yes, this was a very bad decision on her part unless she really will have them out by then and they really don't have anything to hide. But what are the odds of that?

I'll bet you $20 that she's been able to hide any financial "abnormalities" in her tax records and will release them and they'll show nothing of interest at all, and then she'll say, "See? All that complaining for nothing."


I agree. She is setting him up for a massive failure. There is probably nothing wrong with her records, she is just baiting him. He is falling for the trap.
 
2008-03-14 04:14:38 AM  
Great headline.

As for dissing Katie Couric - you know that if she was not a white woman she wouldn't be in this position. And if she was a man (of any color) she would not be in this position. She happens to be very lucky to be who she is.
And the country is caught up in the concept.
 
2008-03-14 04:47:08 AM  
seabass242: There is probably nothing wrong with her records, she is just baiting him. He is falling for the trap.

I think she's setting him up for a one-liner in a debate just to get a few more votes in the state of Pennsylvania, because that's about all she has. Of course, the MSM will eat it up, as will the undecided white folk in Pennsyltucky.

However, if after the fact, someone actually took the time to investigate some of the money the Clintons have received in the past decade... there may be some 'splaining to do. But even if that happens, the MSM won't care.
 
2008-03-14 06:57:42 AM  
puffy999: I think she's setting him up for a one-liner in a debate

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2008-03-14 07:05:07 AM  
Shaggy_C: We know their positions on the issues after 20+ debates so far.

Forget the debates, they clearly hired the same marketing firm.

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2008-03-14 07:05:46 AM  
veedeevadeevoodee: LOOK AT THE BLAARGGAG!?

Farking hell, that's scary and awesome all at once.
 
2008-03-14 07:26:54 AM  
When Obama won Iowa, the Clinton campaign said it's not the number of states you win, it's "a contest for delegates."

When Obama won a significant lead in delegates, they said it's really about which states you win.

When Obama won South Carolina, they discounted the votes of African-Americans.

When Obama won predominantly white, rural states like Idaho, Utah, and Nebraska, they said those didn't count because they won't be competitive in the general election.

When Obama won in Washington State, Wisconsin, and Missouri -- general election battlegrounds where polls show Barack is a stronger candidate against John McCain -- the Clinton campaign attacked those voters as "latte-sipping" elitists.

And now that Obama has won more than twice as many states, the Clinton spin is that only certain states really count.

But the facts are clear.

For all their attempts to discount, distract, and distort, Obama has won more delegates, more states, and more votes.

Meanwhile, more than half of the votes that Senator Clinton has won so far have come from just five states. And in four of these five states, polls show that Barack would be a stronger general election candidate against McCain than Clinton.
 
2008-03-14 07:33:08 AM  
Nice, subby.
 
2008-03-14 07:44:58 AM  
cmartine: When Obama won Iowa, the Clinton campaign said it's not the number of states you win, it's "a contest for delegates."

When Obama won a significant lead in delegates, they said it's really about which states you win.

When Obama won South Carolina, they discounted the votes of African-Americans.

When Obama won predominantly white, rural states like Idaho, Utah, and Nebraska, they said those didn't count because they won't be competitive in the general election.

When Obama won in Washington State, Wisconsin, and Missouri -- general election battlegrounds where polls show Barack is a stronger candidate against John McCain -- the Clinton campaign attacked those voters as "latte-sipping" elitists.

And now that Obama has won more than twice as many states, the Clinton spin is that only certain states really count.

But the facts are clear.

For all their attempts to discount, distract, and distort, Obama has won more delegates, more states, and more votes.

Meanwhile, more than half of the votes that Senator Clinton has won so far have come from just five states. And in four of these five states, polls show that Barack would be a stronger general election candidate against McCain than Clinton.


Thanks for copying that right out of the email from the Obama camp. Awesome work!
 
2008-03-14 07:47:45 AM  
vincentpriceisdead: albo: you elected john edwards and jesse helms and insist on a vinegar based BBQ sauce.

NC is fairly well split on all these things. Especially vinegar sauce. Punches will be thrown over that.


Vinegar-based sauce FTW. That tomato-based mess is alright, but I think we all can agree that nothing sucks as much as the mustard-based shiat they make down in SC. That stuff makes baby Jebus cry.
 
2008-03-14 08:14:12 AM  
icy_one: cmartine: When Obama won Iowa, the Clinton campaign said it's not the number of states you win, it's "a contest for delegates."

When Obama won a significant lead in delegates, they said it's really about which states you win.

When Obama won South Carolina, they discounted the votes of African-Americans.

When Obama won predominantly white, rural states like Idaho, Utah, and Nebraska, they said those didn't count because they won't be competitive in the general election.

When Obama won in Washington State, Wisconsin, and Missouri -- general election battlegrounds where polls show Barack is a stronger candidate against John McCain -- the Clinton campaign attacked those voters as "latte-sipping" elitists.

And now that Obama has won more than twice as many states, the Clinton spin is that only certain states really count.

But the facts are clear.

For all their attempts to discount, distract, and distort, Obama has won more delegates, more states, and more votes.

Meanwhile, more than half of the votes that Senator Clinton has won so far have come from just five states. And in four of these five states, polls show that Barack would be a stronger general election candidate against McCain than Clinton.

Thanks for copying that right out of the email from the Obama camp. Awesome work!


Thanks for showing where it is flawed.
 
2008-03-14 08:19:29 AM  
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2008-03-14 08:28:19 AM  
Well, the fact is that NC is the second or third most corrupt state in the nation (behind Illinois and New Jersey, and we're gaining fast on NJ) and it takes time to set up bribes and such. Plus our politicians have a remarkable degree of Southern efficiency and Northern charm.

Our gov just got caught with his pants down on a mental health "reform" effort that ended up with $400 million missing and 80 suspicious deaths within the state system. He denied being involved but didn't think to erase all those emails about the situation. When the local papers printed copies of the emails, he responded by issuing an executive decree that allows state employees to circumvent the state's open records law and delete emails at will.

And don't get me started on the turkey farm that is the DOT/DMV.

Clinton probably thought she had NC sewed up and hasn't spent a dime here, either for ads or buying politicians. Obama has done well, grabbing up endorsements and getting the usual felatiobama from the state news orgs. She's too far behind to start buying off people now.
 
2008-03-14 08:33:32 AM  
I need a new name: I can't wait for my state to not matter.

/NC resident.
//I'm a yankee trapped behind enemy lines.


Let me show you the door. Start heading north until you notice the bullets whizzing past your head. Home sweet home.

/I hate the south! That's why I moved there!
 
2008-03-14 08:38:43 AM  
Kansas City BBQ, baby!
 
2008-03-14 08:41:02 AM  
barjockey: Let me show you the door. Start heading north until you notice the bullets whizzing past your head. Home sweet home.

Given the gunfire on an average night in Durham, I'd rephrase that if I were you:

"Keep driving north until you notice the long unemployment lines. Home sweet home."

/just sayin'
//is this where I say "Shut up, barjockey . . . "?
 
2008-03-14 08:41:33 AM  
OldManDownDRoad: Well, the fact is that NC is the second or third most corrupt state in the nation (behind Illinois and New Jersey, and we're gaining fast on NJ) and it takes time to set up bribes and such. Plus our politicians have a remarkable degree of Southern efficiency and Northern charm.

Our gov just got caught with his pants down on a mental health "reform" effort that ended up with $400 million missing and 80 suspicious deaths within the state system. He denied being involved but didn't think to erase all those emails about the situation. When the local papers printed copies of the emails, he responded by issuing an executive decree that allows state employees to circumvent the state's open records law and delete emails at will.

And don't get me started on the turkey farm that is the DOT/DMV.

Clinton probably thought she had NC sewed up and hasn't spent a dime here, either for ads or buying politicians. Obama has done well, grabbing up endorsements and getting the usual felatiobama from the state news orgs. She's too far behind to start buying off people now.


Couldn't agree more. I work in NYC and NC, but primarily live down here in Wilmington, where I've spent most of the last 20+ years.

Our state government is deplorable. Governor Diseasley has breeded a culture of corruption that has spread far and wide, although I don't blame him for all of it. I have to believe aslo that New Hanover County is probably one of the most corrupt counties in all of America. Our democratically elected Sherriff Sid Causey has publicly stated that he doesn't agree that he is subject to public scrutiny simply because he's an elected official. He's told the taxpayers to STFU and DIAF in more ways than one, uses public resources openly for his own private interests, shows up at all town functions with armed gestapo in tow ready to arrest any vocal dissenters, and God only knows what else.
 
2008-03-14 08:49:13 AM  
USP .45: Shaggy_C: We know their positions on the issues after 20+ debates so far.

Forget the debates, they clearly hired the same marketing firm.


Nicely done.

Willy and Barry do have a lot of similarities, now that I think about it, both have tried to be the first black president and all.
 
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