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(MSNBC)   Emmitt Smith breaks Walter Payton's career rushing record   ( msnbc.com) divider line
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2002-10-27 08:46:13 PM  
I think that most of you have no idea what you are talking about when you say that Emmitt's O-line is the only reason he has the record. The first couple of years coontil around 1993-1996), that line sucked big time. That was the same o-line that let Troy Aikman get sacked 11 times when they played the Eagles. After 1996, that same line started to deteriorate again. The o-line had about 4 years of dominance, not more.

For those who talk about Barry Sanders. Yes, he's one of the best pure runners ever, but he couldn't catch, block, or get into the end zone with any consistency. Between the 20's, he was unstoppable, but once you got into the red zone, he was immediately pulled for someone who had more power.

Emmitt's numbers since last year have been mediocre. But, so were Payton's. His last year sucked big time fellas. Yes, he's only doing so-so, but the guy's 33. I'm sorry, but there were almost no runners that can compare to Payton and Smith when they were 33. No perspective fellas. Do y'all really think that a 33 year old RB is going to run like Priest Holmes does now? No. Do you think that Priest Holmes will ever get to where Emmitt is now or last that long? No.

Look at Terrell Davis. 3 great years, then his knees give out. Not going to the HOF, not one of the best ever.

Emmitt is among the best, no question. This is coming from anyone who knows anything about football. Coaches, players, sports writers, everyone. Who is 1, 2, or 3, or whatever is up for debate.
2002-10-27 08:46:30 PM  
Spooner....yeah, just what is FP? or for that matter, what the heck is MILF?
2002-10-27 08:47:21 PM  
Most consecutive starts--now that's a record, especially in the NFL.
2002-10-27 08:48:42 PM  

There is a word for someone who retires because of his team. That word is "quitter".
2002-10-27 08:57:39 PM  
"I want to set the record so high that the next person who tries for it, it's going to burst his heart." -Walter Payton before setting the all-time rushing record
I sure hope Emmitt felt that way....I'm sure Walter would be pround of him actually, he never seemed like a jealous pompus athlete, unlike Moss...but thats just my opinion...and what does that matter huh?
2002-10-27 09:02:29 PM  

FP (FAT POTENTIAL)is a very technical term and I only used it because in your own bio you said that "I used to be fat, now I'm not."

I am glad you were able to slim down, and I doubt your FP is that big. Most females that slim down still hang on to thier FUPA and, hence have a higher FP.
2002-10-27 09:05:25 PM  
CRAP! that was MILF NSFW
2002-10-27 09:05:39 PM  
RanyJohnson you might want to think about adding receiving numbers into that comparison. Uhhh, and passing.
2002-10-27 09:18:42 PM  
MILF? Someone's going to say it eventually. No offense, but from all that I can tell...well, you are.
2002-10-27 09:18:48 PM  
I wish Jim Brown didn't completely flip his lid several years ago. Not only was he an amazing running back, he was also the best lacrosse player ever. They had to change the rules because of him. You used to be able to put the ball in your stick against your chest. Jim Brown was absolutely unstoppable doing this, so they made it illegal.
2002-10-27 09:25:13 PM  
DoctorCal we are talking about rushing yards here. To be fair. Walter Rec 492 Emmitt 480. Yds W 4538 E 3003. Avg W 9.2 E 6.3 TD's W 15. E 11.

That said, my milf comment was out of line, and I am sorry. I should have said that AmyJK is a very nice looking women
2002-10-27 09:29:55 PM  
Are we taking everything into account now? I choose George Blanda, then.
2002-10-27 09:36:27 PM  
Now that he finally broke Sweetness' rushing record, can Emmitt retire now? Like...five years ago NOW?


2002-10-27 09:42:04 PM  
Really? It kinda looked to me like we were talking about who the best RB is/was. You can't ignore the whole package.
2002-10-27 09:42:13 PM  
no offense taken on either account.......and thanks for the compliment, though I like to think of myself as only 1 woman.......and I suppose I'll have to keep my FP in check
2002-10-27 09:43:19 PM  
you will always get my vote if you keep the FP in check
2002-10-27 09:43:41 PM  
on the subject of Emmitt now, where do you think he's going next year? I hear Jerry Jones is cutting him.......
2002-10-27 09:45:16 PM  
sorry AmyJK it was a typo. I meant woman.
2002-10-27 09:48:54 PM  
hopefully, he will retire
2002-10-27 09:51:16 PM  
Oh, and Grivas:

VYVAN: You gotta say in ten words "What cornflakes mean to you." So I put: "Cornflakes. Cornflakes. Cornflakes, cornflakes, cornflakes... cornflakes, cornflakes, cornflakes, cornflakes." 

RICK: Pathetic. You'll never win, Vyvyan. 

VYVYAN: Why not? 

RICK: It's only nine words. 

VYVYAN: Oh yeah. "Cornflakes."
2002-10-27 10:06:13 PM  
I don't give a FARK what other people say.....

A NFL Rushing Record isn't GIVEN to someone, it's earned. And to think, Peyton went thru the same shiat while he was gunning for Jim Browns record. Even before he passed away Peyton said Emmitt should and will break his record.

Congrats to Emmitt ! ! ! !
2002-10-27 10:34:59 PM  
Give the man his due. The record isn't necessarily about skill...it's about durability. They guy has been in the league for a long time now...and the fact that he can still be a semi-productive running back is a testament to his training and will. Do you guys have ANY idea the kind of pain this guy is in EVERY Monday morning. The fact that he still laces them up to even attempt to break the record is quite the accomplishment. Look at all the other running backs who would like to still be playing but can because of injuries. Not a Cowboys fan...but a sports fan. Nice job #22.
2002-10-27 10:45:27 PM  

If "Milking Cows" is all it takes to be in Soul Possession of First Place in the NFC "which after today is exactly where the Packers are sitting" then We Wisconsinites will Keep on Milking Those Cows. GO PACKERS!
2002-10-27 10:49:35 PM  
Preach on, Rocko. Preach on. I said 'a-yeeah!'

*organ music swells in the background*
2002-10-27 10:52:42 PM  
Fifth I am guessing you are upset with Wisconsin because UW came over there and Kicked MSU's Ass yesterday....
2002-10-27 11:01:55 PM  
It is a bit unfair to compare stats from different eras of the game, sure Brown had more yards per carry than Payton, Payton than Smith, doesn't that mean that Smith took more hits, from bigger, tougher defenders than either of them, and still surpassed them? Like I said before, at least it wasn't some braggart idiot breaking the record. Quite an accomplishment, I'd say.

Damn, how did the pack acquire ownership of the soul of a football conference? Was satan involved?
2002-10-27 11:08:12 PM  
Fred do not forget the other factor.. Brown played in 12 game seasons, Emmit plays inubianme seasons.. over the span of the 12 years that is an additional 48 games in the regular season If Brown had those extra 48 games Emmit would probably still be in second place today...

If Sanders would have not retired he would have passed both Smith and Brown by now.
2002-10-27 11:15:34 PM  
Just wanted to congratulate Emmit on a job well done. He deserves it.
2002-10-27 11:43:46 PM  
I'd like to see an all-purpose yards comparison between Brown, Sanders, Smith, and Payton. I bet that Smith has the most receiving yards of those four.

The modern game makes it, in my opinion, harder to get strict rushing yards. So much of the "running" game is started with screen passes now days.
2002-10-27 11:47:01 PM  
My favorite game on NES was Tecmo Bowl, and I was always the Chicago Bears - Walter Payton on offense, Mike Singletary on defense (and Kevin Butler for kicks, omg!).
2002-10-27 11:49:09 PM  
Emmitt deserves the record and the praise. Did anyone see the interview with Payton's mom and brother? They couldn't have been happier for Emmitt. Just because he didn't have the running style of Payton or Sanders doesn't mean he's any less talented. He still got it done, and his super-slo-mo spin move is a thing of beauty (too bad he doesn't really do it anymore).
2002-10-27 11:51:21 PM  
Barry Sanders was about a 1000% better. Too bad he is a mental case.
2002-10-28 12:46:41 AM  
Jooky..why do you say he was a mental case? Examples...not just your opinion..
2002-10-28 01:04:54 AM  
Well first of all he reminds me of Bison Dele-walking away from fame/glory for no apparent reason. Second-he never a leader of his team, nor did he wish to be. Football is still a team game, and you can't win a super bowl without teamwork. Barry never seemed to be a team player to me. And third-He could have had the rushing record the very same season that he retired. WHY would anyone give that up unless a screw was loose. He didn't do anything extraordinary when he retired-he just hung out at his suburban Detroit home and did nothing--a complete waste.

A bandwagon Lions fan
2002-10-28 01:13:00 AM  
I was really hoping that after Emmitt broke the record, he got stopped for a big loss and busted his knee. Something about a record like that being taken back off the books permanently just seems funny to me.

2002-10-28 01:14:13 AM  
Emmit will probably have a season or two to play still, unless Jones cuts him. Why? Because he loves the game. That's why he's been going all this time. If you love something, why quit. And if Jones cuts him, he won't go somewhere else. All the greats stayed their career with one team. None of that Jerry Rice bullshiat.
2002-10-28 01:25:00 AM  
Whoopee fukin doo!

We're supposed to give a fark?
2002-10-28 03:18:58 AM  
Are we supposed to give a fark that you don't give a fark, Blubble?
2002-10-28 03:19:56 AM  
Whatever, Emmit sucks and will never replace Sweetness as the greatest of all time.

Smith has/had a much better offensive line than Payton ever did. Plus it was a thing of beauty to watch Sweetness run--Jebus, they called the man "sweetness" for farks sake! He ran thru defenders and made it look easy. Sanders, Smith, Simpson, Davis all kinda suck compared to Payton.
2002-10-28 07:15:31 AM  
Durability is nothing to apoligize for. But, the true mark of having is great career for a running back is passing Jim Brown's career rushing yards. After that, it's all gravy.

It's like breaking the career record for most points for a NHL defenceman. Ray Bourque, Paul Coffey, Larry Murphy and Dennis Potvin were all great players, but the true mark of a spectacular career for a D-Man is passing Bobby Orr's career totals. If you passed him, you get to enter your name as one of the best ever, but don't think for a second people will think you're better than he was just because you were able to hang around a bit longer to pad your stats.
2002-10-28 07:33:21 AM  
Christ, I hate the Cowboys! But Emmitt always struck me as a class act. Never cheered him because of my rabid anti-Dallas stance. However, since nobody here knows who I really am, I can safely say: "Attaboy Emmitt, Congratulations". It's also nice how he has bonded w/ the Payton family and Walter's son, who is currently playing college football.

btw- Dallas Cowboys suck!
2002-10-28 09:20:05 AM  
Payton was better. Far more complete back than Sanders, Smith or Brown. Ever see a clip of Payton throwing a block? He ROCKED people. He did everything well. And he aquired his numbers on a bad team.
2002-10-28 10:35:20 AM  
Give Emmitt his due, he does also hold the record for rushing TDs. The man's a tank and 13 years in a position where the average player lasts only 3 seasons is pretty damn good.

I'm not gonna compare him to sweetness, I think they're about the same actually.
2002-10-28 11:06:13 AM  
Honestly, I don't even think Emmitt Smith would probably be in the top ten best RB's ever.
2002-10-28 11:45:17 AM  
Go to NFL.com they have a poll on there today,,, Who is the greatest RB ever.... Right now Barry Sanders is leading the poll..... Emmit is 3rd behind Payton & Jim Brown is 4th...

Faulk and Sayers are also on the list but not doing so well..
2002-10-28 12:18:12 PM  
What the hell have you jags done that any of you can badmouth Emmitt's accomplishment? I'm a diehard Steelers fan (synonymous with "Cowboys hater") and even I can't say anything against the guy. He's done something on a level none of you can ever hope to come close to (my apologies to any of you who happen to be scientists working on a cure for cancer).
2002-10-28 12:23:23 PM  
Chick3_16: I'm not gonna compare him to sweetness, I think they're about the same actually.

"I won't compare them, but here, let me compare them."

Heh heh heh...
2002-10-28 01:02:02 PM  
The only "Greatest" that should ever be used in Football is that Deacon Jones was the greatest defensive lineman ever.

The problem is the quality of the team around a player affects what their stats look like. Let's say Miami actually had a running back when Marino was still playing, do you think he'd have had the chance to put it up 60 times a game?

If any one running back had the same offensive line as Emmet did for the first what 9 years of his career they would be in the record book as well.

Then again the way it looks in twelve years we'll all be complaining about how Holmes would never have broken Smith's record without Gonzalez or whatever.
2002-10-28 01:02:42 PM  
Barry Sanders... Great running back. Quite possibly the best pure runner ever. Couldn't catch the ball though, therefore Barry Sanders=one dimensional player. If you're arguing that he should have the record, put a sock in it. The last time I checked, Emmitt Smith didn't make him quit the game so you can't fault Emmitt for that. The bottom line is that Barry Sanders doesn't deserve the record because Barry Sanders=quitter.

Walter Peyton... Excellent running back and, unlike Barry Sanders, could receive out of the backfield. He tried to set the rushing record so high that no one would be able to break it, but alas did not achieve said goal. Give him his props though he was one of the best to ever play the position but no longer holds the record. Bears fans need to stop crying and come to the realization that Peyton is now secon best on the all time rushing list. He was a great player and a great man. Enjoy the memories he gave you and let him rest in peace.

Jim Brown...Another great pure runner, but look at the defenses he racked up all those yards against. Those defenses were nothing compared to today's players. Today, players are a helluva lot bigger, stronger, faster and damn sure hit harder. During his time, Brown was a man among boys but if he were put in today's NFL he'd be a man among men. This is not a knock on Brown as I believe he invented the term "feature running back", but comparing him to Smith is apples to oranges from a historical standpoint. Jim Brown also quit the game at 30 years of age. Same arguement as with Sanders. Did Emmitt make him quit early? Um.... nope.

Let's look at Emmitt's accomplishments and the records he holds for just a quick second.

-NFL All-Time Rushing Leader 16,743 yards
-NFL All-Time Rushing Attempts 3,929 Carries
-NFL All-Time Rushing TD's 150 TD's
-NFL All-Time Single Season Rushing TD's 25 TD's
-11 Consecutive 1,000 Yard Rushing Seasons
-Most Career Rushing TD's in Playoff's 19 TD's
-Most TD's in Playoff's 21 TD's
-Most Points in Playoff's 127
-Most Rushing Yards in Playoff History 1,586 yards
-Most 100+ Yard Games in Playoff's 7
-Most Super Bowl Career Rushing TD's 5 TD's
-Monday Night Football All-Time Leading Rusher 2,431 yards
-Monday Night Football All-Time Touchdown Leader 23 TD's
-Monday Night Football Most Touchdowns in One Game 4 TD's

These are facts. Nothing but cold, hard facts that you don't have to go to any statistical website to find, meaning that if you have half a brain and follow the game, this stuff is common knowledge.

If you're going to argue that he SHOULD hold the rushing record with 3,929 rushing attempts, I'll head you off at the pass right now. He shouldn't be able to get outta bed after runing the ball that many times. Given the violent nature of the game, that equates to subjecting his body to roughly 390 car wrecks and only speaks to the man's durability and physical & mental toughness.

Sure he's had great O-lines, hall of fame QB's, and support from a great passing game in past years, but how can you blame him for that. The last time I checked Emmitt wasn't responsible for the Cowboy's draft or who starts & who rides the pine. Everyone out there knocking Emmitt *looks in the direction of Subigo, Fredo, Ironwidow, Fifthcolumn, ElwoodCuse, Donkster, Nikitos, Danbanana, Monkeyknife, Alph, Aledgehbk, et. al.*, it sounds like a classic case of sour grapes. You're likely Cowboy haters who can't stand the idea of a Cowboy being possibly the best all around back the pros have ever seen. Let's not forget that he's a stand-up guy who doesn't make excuses when things don't go his way, which they haven't for the last 5 years. Instead, he puts his nose to the grindstone and works even harder.

If you're asking who is the best running back of all time, I think it's pretty clear.


'nuff said!
2002-10-28 01:25:42 PM  
I have always respected Emmit... It is just too bad that he had to be in Dallas while the Michael Ervin era was at full bloom.... IM talking about the Cocaine and all the jokes and cracks made about the team including Emmit as a result of Ervins poor dicision making off the field.. Emmit deserves respect because he is down to earth and has earned his place in the record books... Big Line or not he is the one carrying the ball and taking the hits each time he was tackled. He has never recived bad media attention like so many of his teammates in the past.. I have hated the Cowboys since Jerry Jones bought the team but I have always thought Emmit was a class act.. and I still think that today. I hope he will retire before the team cuts him and I would personally hold the door open for him at the Hall Of Fame..
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