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(Yahoo)   Homeless vet recalls happier times in Iraq, like getting drunk on duty with vodak his mom sent him disguised as Scope. His homelessness is Bush's fault, of course   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2008-01-21 2:15:40 PM  
So try to get killed over there, as to avoid being homeless, later.
 
2008-01-21 2:36:49 PM  
FTA: "Peter Mohan traces the path from the Iraqi battlefield to this lifeless conference room, where he sits in a kilt and a Camp Kill Yourself T-shirt and calmly describes how he became a sad cliche: a homeless veteran."

Hmmm... I'm not sure, but I think it may be hard to get a job if you wear a kilt and a Camp Kill Yourself t-shirt.
 
2008-01-21 2:39:00 PM  
Ctrl-F: "Bush"

hmmm...did you read a different article than I did?
 
2008-01-21 2:44:46 PM  
Hey submitard, its about different Vets all having a hard time switching off the horrible things they saw over there and a shelter helping them deal with the mental illness they suffer from.

Take Mike Lally. He thinks back now to the long stretches in the stifling Iraq heat, nothing to do but play Spades and count flies, and about the day insurgents killed the friendly shop owner who sold his battalion Pringles and candy bars.

He thinks about crouching in the back of a Humvee watching bullets crash into fuel tanks during his first firefight, and about waiting back at base for the vodka his mother sent him, dyed blue and concealed in bottles of Scope mouthwash.


You're an asshole.
 
2008-01-21 2:45:56 PM  
oh fark me here come the stupid "vodak" comments

wish that one would fade away into oblivion
 
2008-01-21 2:48:50 PM  
Gwendolyn: Hey submitard, its about different Vets all having a hard time switching off the horrible things they saw

If the guy's own mother was smuggling vodka to him, methinks he already had some issues.

Ditto for the guy with the "Camp Kill Yourself" shirt and kilt.

War is hell, but it doesn't cause being an alcoholic before you go and dressing like an idiot after you get back.
 
2008-01-21 2:53:35 PM  
FTA: "There's something about going back, and a third and a fourth time, that really aggravates that level of stress," said Michael Blecker, executive director of Swords to Plowshares," a San Francisco homeless-vet outreach program.

Really? There's something about repeatedly returning to a horrible war zone that aggravates stress? Who's have guessed?

You have to feel bad for people who just did their job, then came home to nothing and inadequate mental care for everything that they went through.

And since it's an emerging trend [remember, we're only hearing about particularly stand-out cases at this point] they damned well better figure out what to do about this, because it is only going to get worse with time.
 
2008-01-21 3:13:06 PM  
it was the same in 1918, I'm sure it was the same before that- There is nothing new about war except the different ways we fight it.

I don't like this war; I think it is an awful waste of time and energy...but my Uncle was at the Choisin reservoir at the Yalu, my cousin flew "close" air support for the 3rd Cavalry in 1968 and 1969. Neither adjusted.

Both had to do what they had to do. So did these men, they volunteered.
 
2008-01-21 3:14:33 PM  
rawsta: oh fark me here come the stupid "vodak" comments

Not sure if the word filter changed the headline or an admin did, but I know I typed "vodka" in correctly. Heh.

/submitter
 
2008-01-21 3:15:57 PM  
Yeah, what's Bush supposed to do about it? Mandate that the VA increase its screening of returning veterans? Make it easier to get therapy, addiction counseling, and vocational rehabilitation?

But... but... but... tax cuts!
 
2008-01-21 3:27:47 PM  
Chindit: it was the same in 1918, I'm sure it was the same before that

There were homeless mentally ill veterans then, too.
 
2008-01-21 3:50:00 PM  
SquirrelsOfDoom: If the guy's own mother was smuggling vodka to him, methinks he already had some issues.

If I was in a war zone, I would hope someone would smuggle me some booze, and I'm no alcoholic.
 
2008-01-21 4:04:23 PM  
Maybe it's not illegal for kids to smoke in Iraq? Anyone know what the smoking age is there?
 
2008-01-21 4:05:06 PM  
Damnit! Wrong thread.
 
2008-01-21 4:10:28 PM  
I don't know about his homelessness -- maybe all these veterans would have ended up homeless even if they'd been born into rich families, gone to Yale, and not even been sent to Iraq due to having cushy postings in the Air Ntional Guard. The war, however, is Bush's fault. Unless you think Karl Rove duped him into it.
 
2008-01-21 4:17:46 PM  
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2008-01-21 4:29:15 PM  
an admin changed it...ohhh what a funny misspelling of the word "vodka". i am in stitches!!

not really
 
2008-01-21 4:29:26 PM  
serpent_sky: FTA: "There's something about going back, and a third and a fourth time, that really aggravates that level of stress," said Michael Blecker, executive director of Swords to Plowshares," a San Francisco homeless-vet outreach program.

Really? There's something about repeatedly returning to a horrible war zone that aggravates stress? Who's have guessed?

You have to feel bad for people who just did their job, then came home to nothing and inadequate mental care for everything that they went through.

And since it's an emerging trend [remember, we're only hearing about particularly stand-out cases at this point] they damned well better figure out what to do about this, because it is only going to get worse with time.


Don't worry, they are secretly being sterilized also.
 
2008-01-21 4:43:15 PM  
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SquirrelsOfDoom: If the guy's own mother was smuggling vodka to him, methinks he already had some issues.

This. I'd be interested to know if this is something he asked her to do while he was over there, or if this is something he'd been doing for a while in the Army. One is likely a case of PTSD and he's trying to self-medicate (bad idea), the other is just a soldier who was a lush to begin with.
 
2008-01-21 5:19:38 PM  
the whole drinking scope thing probably has more to do with his situation than anything else...

/knows he didn't drink scope
 
2008-01-21 5:23:57 PM  
Americans have a lot of trouble dealing with reality. Americans have trouble facing the truth, so they invent the kind of a soft language to protect themselves from it, and it gets worse with every generation. For some reason, it just keeps getting worse. I'll give you an example of that. There's a condition in combat. Most people know about it. It's when a fighting person's nervous system has been stressed to it's absolute peak and maximum. Can't take anymore input. The nervous system has either (click) snapped or is about to snap. In the first world war, that condition was called shell shock. Simple, honest, direct language. Two syllables, shell shock. Almost sounds like the guns themselves. That was seventy years ago. Then a whole generation went by and the second world war came along and very same combat condition was called battle fatigue. Four syllables now. Takes a little longer to say. Doesn't seem to hurt as much. Fatigue is a nicer word than shock. Shell shock! Battle fatigue. Then we had the war in Korea, 1950. Madison avenue was riding high by that time, and the very same combat condition was called operational exhaustion. Hey, were up to eight syllables now! And the humanity has been squeezed completely out of the phrase. It's totally sterile now. Operational exhaustion. Sounds like something that might happen to your car. Then of course, came the war in Viet Nam, which has only been over for about sixteen or seventeen years, and thanks to the lies and deceits surrounding that war, I guess it's no surprise that the very same condition was called post-traumatic stress disorder. Still eight syllables, but we've added a hyphen! And the pain is completely buried under jargon. Post-traumatic stress disorder. I'll bet you if we'd of still been calling it shell shock, some of those Viet Nam veterans might have gotten the attention they needed at the time. I'll betcha.
/George Carlin
 
2008-01-21 5:24:24 PM  
Ah yes - another thread showing that the GOP talking point about "personal responsibility" is really just a smug attempt to blame victims.
 
2008-01-21 5:25:15 PM  
beerrun: Americans have a lot of trouble dealing with reality. Americans have trouble facing the truth, so they invent the kind of a soft language to protect themselves from it, and it gets worse with every generation. For some reason, it just keeps getting worse. I'll give you an example of that. There's a condition in combat. Most people know about it. It's when a fighting person's nervous system has been stressed to it's absolute peak and maximum. Can't take anymore input. The nervous system has either (click) snapped or is about to snap. In the first world war, that condition was called shell shock. Simple, honest, direct language. Two syllables, shell shock. Almost sounds like the guns themselves. That was seventy years ago. Then a whole generation went by and the second world war came along and very same combat condition was called battle fatigue. Four syllables now. Takes a little longer to say. Doesn't seem to hurt as much. Fatigue is a nicer word than shock. Shell shock! Battle fatigue. Then we had the war in Korea, 1950. Madison avenue was riding high by that time, and the very same combat condition was called operational exhaustion. Hey, were up to eight syllables now! And the humanity has been squeezed completely out of the phrase. It's totally sterile now. Operational exhaustion. Sounds like something that might happen to your car. Then of course, came the war in Viet Nam, which has only been over for about sixteen or seventeen years, and thanks to the lies and deceits surrounding that war, I guess it's no surprise that the very same condition was called post-traumatic stress disorder. Still eight syllables, but we've added a hyphen! And the pain is completely buried under jargon. Post-traumatic stress disorder. I'll bet you if we'd of still been calling it shell shock, some of those Viet Nam veterans might have gotten the attention they needed at the time. I'll betcha.
/George Carlin


Sadly this!
 
2008-01-21 5:26:02 PM  
Croooow!: SquirrelsOfDoom: If the guy's own mother was smuggling vodka to him, methinks he already had some issues.

If I was in a war zone, I would hope someone would smuggle me some booze, and I'm no alcoholic.


You don't need to in Iraq, as long as you actually leave the FOB. There's no Sharia law, and there's quite a few Christian shopkeepers. Hell, they sell condoms and a cream that quote, "enhances vaginal sensitivity" at the local pharmacies.

A bottle of whiskey usually goes for $20 USD. Find a smartass know-it-all kid who speaks decent English, and he can get you a farking surplus T-72 if you have the cash for it.

You can also get tallboys of Tuborg and some weird English ales.

/Always heard that "food coloring and vodka" won't mix evenly, and anyone who claims this is full of shiat.
 
2008-01-21 5:28:02 PM  
I thought there were No Homeless Vets?!

\At least according to Billy O'
 
2008-01-21 5:28:59 PM  
NightOwl2255:

Don't worry, they are secretly being sterilized also.


And unless they're me -- or just like me -- that helps their mental issues/gives them piece of mind how, exactly?
 
2008-01-21 5:34:10 PM  
Jesus, TFA didn't even mention Bush's name. Hey, don't let reality get in the way of a perfectly good persecution complex.
 
2008-01-21 5:35:47 PM  
payne51558: I thought there were No Homeless Vets?!

\At least according to Billy O'


No worries. Billo will be sure that 'that man does not do it.' Which, I assume, means any homeless vet gets to couch on Bill's couch.
 
2008-01-21 5:38:51 PM  
My vodka is disguised as eyeglass cleaner.

Actually, since I added Isopropyl alcohol, it is eyeglass cleaner. I'm thinking of trying a nice scented vodka next time.

Do I really need the isopropyl alcohol? I think they only add it to make it undrinkable (less drinkable in the case of rummies). With or without the poison, it's way cheaper than commercial eyeglass cleaner but I don't see why straight vodka isn't just as good as long as it isn't jalepeno-flavoured.
 
2008-01-21 6:03:13 PM  
Oh, who cares about stupid vets anyway? The only reason for this (or any) war is to keep my stock portolio nice and fat. Anyone stupid enough to join the services failed at life from the gitgo - and, like anyone stupid enough to live in the mideast, they deserve to die just to make me more wealthy. One might even say that they are merely fulfilling their predestined purpose.

/Why yes - I AM a Republican! Why do you ask?
 
2008-01-21 6:07:06 PM  
beerrun: Americans have a lot of trouble dealing with reality. Americans have trouble facing the truth, so they invent the kind of a soft language to protect themselves from it, and it gets worse with every generation. For some reason, it just keeps getting worse. I'll give you an example of that. There's a condition in combat. Most people know about it. It's when a fighting person's nervous system has been stressed to it's absolute peak and maximum. Can't take anymore input. The nervous system has either (click) snapped or is about to snap. In the first world war, that condition was called shell shock. Simple, honest, direct language. Two syllables, shell shock. Almost sounds like the guns themselves. That was seventy years ago. Then a whole generation went by and the second world war came along and very same combat condition was called battle fatigue. Four syllables now. Takes a little longer to say. Doesn't seem to hurt as much. Fatigue is a nicer word than shock. Shell shock! Battle fatigue. Then we had the war in Korea, 1950. Madison avenue was riding high by that time, and the very same combat condition was called operational exhaustion. Hey, were up to eight syllables now! And the humanity has been squeezed completely out of the phrase. It's totally sterile now. Operational exhaustion. Sounds like something that might happen to your car. Then of course, came the war in Viet Nam, which has only been over for about sixteen or seventeen years, and thanks to the lies and deceits surrounding that war, I guess it's no surprise that the very same condition was called post-traumatic stress disorder. Still eight syllables, but we've added a hyphen! And the pain is completely buried under jargon. Post-traumatic stress disorder. I'll bet you if we'd of still been calling it shell shock, some of those Viet Nam veterans might have gotten the attention they needed at the time. I'll betcha.
/George Carlin


Sadly it's true. I wonder if trigger paralysis (anything from the trigger finger, to the hand, to the whole arm stops responding, you just can't pull the trigger) is on the rise for multi-tour troops. It's not something they (the Pentagon) would advertise...

Sgt Otter: A bottle of whiskey usually goes for $20 USD. Find a smartass know-it-all kid who speaks decent English, and he can get you a farking surplus T-72 if you have the cash for it.

That's a bit over the top, but you can get a few AK's and maybe an RPD (good luck getting them home)
 
2008-01-21 6:14:21 PM  
Maybe all the flowers and candy the Iraqi's greeted him with traumatized him?

Flowers
 
2008-01-21 6:36:56 PM  
Another Republican "supporting the troops" by minimizing their experience.

Nice job subby!!!
 
2008-01-21 6:45:40 PM  
one more troop that was not supported.

who cares which side is to blame, i don't see anyone doing anything about it.MasterThief: SquirrelsOfDoom: If the guy's own mother was smuggling vodka to him, methinks he already had some issues.

This. I'd be interested to know if this is something he asked her to do while he was over there, or if this is something he'd been doing for a while in the Army. One is likely a case of PTSD and he's trying to self-medicate (bad idea), the other is just a soldier who was a lush to begin with.


or, it's a guy who enjoyed vodka.
 
2008-01-21 6:54:55 PM  
SquirrelsOfDoom: rawsta: oh fark me here come the stupid "vodak" comments

Not sure if the word filter changed the headline or an admin did, but I know I typed "vodka" in correctly. Heh.

/submitter


It's a less funny headline now that I know you typed it in correctly :(
 
2008-01-21 6:58:37 PM  
Vodak- second cousin of Xenu ?
 
2008-01-21 7:06:03 PM  
I'm sorry, but a large percentage of the 'Heros' we send off into battle are mouth breathing knuckleheads. So, is it really any surprise that some of these guys come back and lose jobs because they drink too much, can't have relationships because they use their wife as a pinata, find themselves homeless, etc... The inevitible was simply delayed in some cases. Why the "how did we fail them" bullshiat everytime we find a vet who was a loser before the army, and a loser after he/she got out? I'll bet Peter was a jagoff before he went in. "He would gun his motorcycle to 100 mph and try to stand on the seat. He would wait for his wife to leave in the morning, draw the blinds and open up whatever bottle of booze was closest." Sure, I bet before the army he would stay up all night studying physics with his Amerasian study group before knocking off to join his mensa mentor to discuss chaos.
 
2008-01-21 7:27:46 PM  
Eh? When the first desert storm was on we smuggled booze to my sister over there. Granted they were stationed in Saudi at the time so they had to deal with the no booze laws.
 
2008-01-21 7:28:52 PM  
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/we all blame bush
 
2008-01-21 7:44:19 PM  
FTFA: Peter Mohan never did find a steady job after he left Iraq. He lost his wife - a judge granted their divorce this fall - and he lost his friends and he lost his home, and now he is here, in a shelter.

He is 28 years old. "People come back from war different," he offers by way of a summary


Not according to teh intrawebs trolls.

In their world PTSD doesn't exist, George Bush aint a bi-Curious monkeyman, Wars have no negative effects on lives, limbs or minds, Dick Cheney doesn't shoot people in the face and magic pixies bring them breakfast every day and it's always delicious.

/the secret ingredient is republican luff
 
2008-01-21 7:49:41 PM  
inglixthemad:
Sgt Otter: A bottle of whiskey usually goes for $20 USD. Find a smartass know-it-all kid who speaks decent English, and he can get you a farking surplus T-72 if you have the cash for it.

That's a bit over the top, but you can get a few AK's and maybe an RPD (good luck getting them home)


Well, we have had guys turn in an intact and unfired LAW rocket for a reward, and another guy who had an armored Mercedes-Benz limo with diplomatic plates in his courtyard he claims "some German guys abandoned" in front of his house, and the guy we caught digging something up in the middle of the night, and insteading of finding an arms cache, he was just hiding some really lame pornos from his wife.

We usually took the AKs off drunk Iraqis when they got a little too excited over the soccer game they were watching, and decided to cap off a few rounds at the moon.
 
2008-01-21 7:57:32 PM  
By now it's got to be obvious Republicans hate the troops.
 
2008-01-21 8:06:29 PM  
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2008-01-21 9:08:13 PM  
yeegrek: Jesus, TFA didn't even mention Bush's name. Hey, don't let reality get in the way of a perfectly good persecution complex.

My thoughts exactly.
 
2008-01-21 9:33:00 PM  
Did anybody else here think that Subby was making a joke with the Scope thing, cause the same thing was done in "Orange Crush" by Tim Dorsey?
 
2008-01-21 10:24:26 PM  
Remember, boys and girls:

* Unlimited funds to blow $#it up in Iraq: GOOD.
* A little help for the ones who were shipped out to Iraq to blow $#it up: BAD.
 
2008-01-21 11:05:25 PM  
Eh
 
2008-01-21 11:10:19 PM  
Hey, don't let reality get in the way of a perfectly good persecution complex.


When reality isn't enough to be continuously angry, make sh*t up.
 
2008-01-21 11:29:04 PM  
 
2008-01-22 12:04:27 AM  
I think there is more of a problem in the way we idolize the military than anything else.

Republicans (Sterotype): Our military is faultless and could never commit atrocities! They always do what's right! Oh, but it's their own fault they're homeless.

Democrats (Stereotype): We should provide free housing and food for everyone even if they refuse to work to better their lives! After all, we're all good on the inside! Oh, and our soldiers can't be trusted to do their work honorably without succumbing to their inner demons and start killing babies.
 
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