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(Wall Street Journal)   Democrats, last week: "Asking for ID will disenfranchise voters." This week: "Let's sue to make it harder for the casino union workers in Nevada to vote."   (online.wsj.com) divider line
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2008-01-17 2:57:35 PM  
 
2008-01-17 3:04:36 PM  
Code_Archeologist: The judge had already laughed Hillary's goons out of court. (new window)

Apparently the judge told them "Page not found." Harsh stuff.
 
2008-01-17 3:06:34 PM  
fark the Clintons.
 
2008-01-17 3:07:35 PM  
Please don't confuse Hillary and her ilk with Democrats.
 
2008-01-17 3:08:25 PM  
Christ, that woman is desperate for power.
 
2008-01-17 3:08:33 PM  
Car_Ramrod: Please don't confuse Hillary and her ilk with Democrats.

Is that like Bush isn't a real Republican?
 
2008-01-17 3:08:38 PM  
I take no position either way on the merits, but I would note that voting in a party caucus is quite different from voting in a general election.
 
2008-01-17 3:09:17 PM  
GaryPDX: Car_Ramrod: Please don't confuse Hillary and her ilk with Democrats.

Is that like Bush isn't a real Republican?


He isn't a real Republican.
 
2008-01-17 3:09:29 PM  
I'm still wondering how Bill came up with his claim that "Their votes will be counted five times more powerfully, in terms of delegates to the state convention, compared to delegates to the national convention."
 
SSP
2008-01-17 3:11:13 PM  
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Republican operatives shut down the vote recount which later showed after a recount by major newspapers that Al Gore had won the election...


Hey, if it's good enough for Chimpy McFlightsuit, it's good enough for the Clintons.
 
2008-01-17 3:12:05 PM  
Car_Ramrod: Please don't confuse Hillary and her ilk with Democrats.

Don't worry; I don't even confuse Hillary with a warm-blooded animal.
 
2008-01-17 3:12:19 PM  
Nabb1: Code_Archeologist: The judge had already laughed Hillary's goons out of court. (new window)

Apparently the judge told them "Page not found." Harsh stuff.


Fixed Link (new window)
 
2008-01-17 3:13:16 PM  
Code_Archeologist: Nabb1: Code_Archeologist: The judge had already laughed Hillary's goons out of court. (new window)

Apparently the judge told them "Page not found." Harsh stuff.

Fixed Link (new window)


I fail at the Internets

I am going to go back to drinking beer...
 
2008-01-17 3:13:37 PM  
BobtheFascist: Christ, that woman is desperate for power.

Dude, she thinks she's destined, in time immortal, to break through the ultimate glass ceiling and be Goddess of Planet Earth. She wants immortality in human history.

She's got it bad and it's frightening to think she may get there. Try to imagine what she will do with the capabilities that Bush set up under the Patriot Act.
 
2008-01-17 3:13:53 PM  
Code_Archeologist: Fixed Link (new window)

Psst... I really appreciate the effort, but it's still not working.
 
2008-01-17 3:22:14 PM  
SSP: Republican operatives shut down the vote recount which later showed after a recount by major newspapers that Al Gore had won the election...


Hey, if it's good enough for Chimpy McFlightsuit, it's good enough for the Clintons.


Two wrongs don't make a right. Or, if you like, but...but..but Bush!
 
2008-01-17 3:27:16 PM  
Blues_X: I'm still wondering how Bill came up with his claim that "Their votes will be counted five times more powerfully, in terms of delegates to the state convention, compared to delegates to the national convention."

He reached into his ass and pulled it out, just like all the rest of them.
 
2008-01-17 3:31:44 PM  
GaryPDX: Try to imagine what she will do with the capabilities that Bush set up under the Patriot Act.


Your boy made the bed...

You know, I don't want another Clinton in the White House, but the way you guys act like she's the Minotaur cracks me up. There's a little part of me that wants to see her in office just to witness the collective loosening of bowels by the right wingers.

She's a policy wonk, she's not going to take away your guns or force your son to deep dick his football buddy, relax.
 
2008-01-17 3:32:21 PM  
If, at this point, we're having to compare tactics used by Bush II to those used by Clinton II, than we're in a hell of a lot of trouble.
 
2008-01-17 3:32:24 PM  
GaryPDX - She's got it bad and it's frightening to think she may get there.

I heard someone say "Hillary Clinton is the best free Get Out & Vote campaign the Republicans could ever ask for".

Try to imagine what she will do with the capabilities that Bush set up under the Patriot Act

I'm a little scared to see what Bush will do with them too. I imagine she'll do away w/ the PA, but not until she's used it to flex a little first.
 
2008-01-17 3:36:11 PM  
Two wrongs don't make a right. Or, if you like, but...but..but Bush!

Wow, TCS admits that Bush was wrong about something. Time for a new alt.
 
2008-01-17 3:39:47 PM  
Fark It: Two wrongs don't make a right. Or, if you like, but...but..but Bush!

Wow, TCS admits that Bush was wrong about something. Time for a new alt.


Where have you been? This wasn't the first time, and I imagine it won't be the last.
 
2008-01-17 3:42:29 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: Two wrongs don't make a right.

That aside, the two events are hardly comparable in magnitude. It's the ocean versus a mud puddle. Yes, they're both water, but you could hardly call them the same thing.
 
2008-01-17 3:47:52 PM  
SSP: Hey, if it's good enough for Chimpy McFlightsuit, it's good enough for the Clintons.

I don't like Bush, either, but I find it curious that Hillary supporters tend to invoke Dubya in response to criticism of her moreso that supporters of the other Democratic candidates.
 
2008-01-17 3:50:17 PM  
Calmamity: There's a little part of me that wants to see her in office just to witness the collective loosening of bowels by the right wingers.

They would LOVE IT. Four to eight years of easy, cut-and-paste biatching and righteous indignation. They don't even have to come up with new material!

I do not want another Clinton in the White House.
 
2008-01-17 3:56:35 PM  
Fark It: Two wrongs don't make a right. Or, if you like, but...but..but Bush!

Wow, TCS admits that Bush was wrong about something. Time for a new alt.


To be fair, it was probably his wife.
 
2008-01-17 3:56:53 PM  
SSP: Republican operatives shut down the vote recount which later showed after a recount by major newspapers that Al Gore had won the election...

That is a prevarication.
 
2008-01-17 4:01:31 PM  
Calmamity: TheConvincingSavant: Two wrongs don't make a right.

That aside, the two events are hardly comparable in magnitude. It's the ocean versus a mud puddle. Yes, they're both water, but you could hardly call them the same thing.


Just give her time.
 
2008-01-17 4:18:59 PM  
SSP: Republican operatives shut down the vote recount which later showed after a recount by major newspapers that Al Gore had won the election...

Fail.
Link (new window)

and:

Link (new window)

I especially trust the New York Times on this issue, they would have loved nothing more then the reverse to be true.

If Al would have pulled his home state, he wouldn't have needed Florida. Even Mondale held his own state against Reagan.

Hey, if it's good enough for Chimpy McFlightsuit, it's good enough for the Clintons.

hehehe, you made a funny, you must be one of the cool kids like:

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/voted for Gore in the primary of `88
//thought it was cool he admitted to have "inhaled"
///maybe if he partied again he wouldn't seem like such a priss now
////you'll get over it, ask Jeff
 
2008-01-17 4:44:52 PM  
Here's how the argument has been going so far in Georgia:

Dems: Judge, requiring voters to have ID will keep poor people and old people who don't have IDs from voting.

GOP: Judge, we'll GIVE them FREE IDs. We'll even go to their homes, drive them to get the free ID, and then take them back.

Dems: It's racist! It's unfair! And it's racist.
 
2008-01-17 4:45:14 PM  
SSP: Republican operatives shut down the vote recount which later showed after a recount by major newspapers that Al Gore had won the election...

It's so easy to be a liberal. You get to forget basic facts with time and it ends up being the job of others to re-teach you what really happened. It's like a license to be an idiot.
 
2008-01-17 4:51:49 PM  
Non-story. She really wants to be President.
 
2008-01-17 4:54:09 PM  
BravadoGT: GOP: Judge, we'll GIVE them FREE IDs. We'll even go to their homes, drive them to get the free ID, and then take them back.

Heh... yeah that's really going to happen. I give it four years before the GOP cuts the funding for giving free IDs to the poor.
 
2008-01-17 5:04:47 PM  
FTFA: For a party that compares photo ID requirements to Jim Crow poll taxes, even when state governments distribute the IDs for free, the irony is rich.

[image from i3.tinypic.com too old to be available]
 
2008-01-17 5:07:40 PM  
Code_Archeologist: BravadoGT: GOP: Judge, we'll GIVE them FREE IDs. We'll even go to their homes, drive them to get the free ID, and then take them back.

Heh... yeah that's really going to happen. I give it four years before the GOP cuts the funding for giving free IDs to the poor.


Why would they need to? It's a specious argument. How much funding would it really take? There's probably more money allocated in the Georgia budget for teaching inner-city girls how to braid their hair...

Do you really think there are these hordes of poor people who really want to vote, but don't have any ID because they're short $20 bucks and a ride.....Come on. Put your grown-up pants on. The Dems don't want voters to have to prove that they are who they say they are, and they think it's the best legal argument they have.
 
2008-01-17 5:08:46 PM  


"That is NOT teh herp on my lip in that video."

 
2008-01-17 5:09:35 PM  
...Bill Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit on Monday, and Hillary Clinton refused to take a stand.

Hillary Clinton refuses to take a stand on something? Surely you're joking.
 
2008-01-17 5:11:47 PM  
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"That is NOT teh herp on my lip in that video."



/ take 2
 
2008-01-17 5:16:13 PM  
Kanyon: ...Bill Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit on Monday, and Hillary Clinton refused to take a stand.

Hillary Clinton refuses to take a stand on something? Surely you're joking.


I'm not joking. And don't call me Shirley.
 
2008-01-17 5:19:39 PM  
Code_Archeologist: BravadoGT: GOP: Judge, we'll GIVE them FREE IDs. We'll even go to their homes, drive them to get the free ID, and then take them back.

Heh... yeah that's really going to happen. I give it four years before the GOP cuts the funding for giving free IDs to the poor.


Whaaaaa... I don't even care to provide people with free IDs. This whole concept that someone can wonder around, conduct any kind of business in this country for years, and not have even a basic identification (even a utility bill in their name) is beyond rationality. If going to some state office is so much a burden on the desperately poor, isn't traveling to the polling place just as much a burden? In my state, they will issue a state ID for $8.50, it lasts for four years. Even gathering cans on the side of the road one could gather $8.50 every four years.
 
2008-01-17 5:21:18 PM  
GaryPDX: She's got it bad and it's frightening to think she may get there. Try to imagine what she will do with the capabilities that Bush set up under the Patriot Act.

I think i'm gonna make a killing setting up a smuggling business to the rebel factions in the fly over states.
 
SSP
2008-01-17 5:25:53 PM  
NeoAnderthal 2008-01-17 04:45:14 PM

SSP: Republican operatives shut down the vote recount which later showed after a recount by major newspapers that Al Gore had won the election...

It's so easy to be a liberal. You get to forget basic facts with time and it ends up being the job of others to re-teach you what really happened. It's like a license to be an idiot.


You mean basic facts like a recount of all the votes? (new window)

/NeoAnderthals don't need no stinkin' license
 
2008-01-17 5:33:11 PM  
And who's brilliant idea was it to hold South Carolina's primary on a Saturday?

I mean, it's not like there's an overwhelming amount of Hassidic or otherwise Conservative Jews in SC, but let's be fair. I dunno -- they may have some Seventh Day Adventists.
 
SSP
2008-01-17 5:37:17 PM  
Daneel Olivaw 2008-01-17 04:18:59 PM
SSP: Republican operatives shut down the vote recount which later showed after a recount by major newspapers that Al Gore had won the election...

Fail.
Link (new window)


Your first link farked your assertion that I failed.

"But the consortium, looking at a broader group of rejected ballots than those covered in the court decisions, 175,010 in all, found that Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots. This also assumes that county canvassing boards would have reached the same conclusions about the disputed ballots that the consortium's independent observers did. The findings indicate that Mr. Gore might have eked out a victory if he had pursued in court a course like the one he publicly advocated when he called on the state to ''count all the votes."

Therefore you fail...
 
2008-01-17 5:43:42 PM  
Notice how it's only leftists that do not want the voter ID's. You can't cheat if you can't cheat.
 
2008-01-17 5:47:30 PM  
godofusa.com: Notice how it's only leftists that do not want the voter ID's. You can't cheat if you can't cheat.

hmmm...is that why they want illegals to have a drivers license?
 
2008-01-17 5:48:12 PM  
Daneel Olivaw: Code_Archeologist: BravadoGT: GOP: Judge, we'll GIVE them FREE IDs. We'll even go to their homes, drive them to get the free ID, and then take them back.

Heh... yeah that's really going to happen. I give it four years before the GOP cuts the funding for giving free IDs to the poor.

Whaaaaa... I don't even care to provide people with free IDs. This whole concept that someone can wonder around, conduct any kind of business in this country for years, and not have even a basic identification (even a utility bill in their name) is beyond rationality. If going to some state office is so much a burden on the desperately poor, isn't traveling to the polling place just as much a burden? In my state, they will issue a state ID for $8.50, it lasts for four years. Even gathering cans on the side of the road one could gather $8.50 every four years.


Of course, you're right. That's why the GOP's plan called for free IDs and rides. They KNOW it's not really a problem, and for cost of what the small handful of people who will actually take advantage of such a program, it is well worth it (unless you are a Democrat.)
 
2008-01-17 5:51:07 PM  
godofusa.com: Notice how it's only leftists that do not want the voter ID's. You can't cheat if you can't cheat.

And it's only reactionary rightists who do not want the voting machines to be open to public scrutiny. It's not who votes that matters -- it's who counts the votes.
 
2008-01-17 5:52:44 PM  
submitter: Democrats, last week: "Asking for ID will disenfranchise voters." This week: "Let's sue to make it harder for the casino union workers in Nevada to vote."

Fail.

This is all Hillary, not the Democrats.

And frankly, the more Hillary continues to employ underhanded and downright Rovian tactics in this campaign (through disavowed surrogates of course), the more rank-and-file Democrats are going to be disgusted with her, and go over to Obama.
 
2008-01-17 5:55:07 PM  
SSP: Republican operatives shut down the vote recount which later showed after a recount by major newspapers that Al Gore had won the election...

Now THAT is strong argument...if only that last little part was true. Unfortunately, it isn't.

They were not counting over-votes in any recount effort in Florida, and ONLY by doing so *might* have resulted with Gore receiving more votes.
 
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