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2007-12-28 8:29:11 PM  
OMFG a Daily Mail article without the usual cliche in the headline.
 
2007-12-28 8:50:25 PM  
Girls and boys will both play with dolls, it's just that girls pretend they are mommy, and boys aim them at people and go "BANG! BANG!"
 
2007-12-28 9:08:31 PM  
good for them. i used to play guns all the time as a kid, i grew up fine.
 
2007-12-28 9:09:09 PM  
At first I thought you meant inflatable dolls hehehe.
 
2007-12-28 9:42:06 PM  
SilentStrider: good for them. i used to play guns all the time as a kid, i grew up fine.

You're on Fark. I hardly think this is a good qualifier as fine.
 
2007-12-28 9:42:28 PM  
Ive got your "lightsaber" right here

/awwwwwwww yeeeeeah...
 
2007-12-28 9:44:03 PM  
This is stupid, guns are bad and boys should be taught from an early to avoid them. Encouraging gun play will only make the boys prone to using guns when they are adults.
 
2007-12-28 9:44:26 PM  
I played with guns and dolls. BRING IT ON!
 
2007-12-28 9:46:42 PM  
his is stupid, guns are bad and boys should be taught from an early to avoid them. Encouraging gun play will only make the boys prone to using guns when they are adults.

Guns aren't bad. People are bad, and dumb. If one were so inclined they could kill anybody with anything.
 
2007-12-28 9:47:42 PM  
Children's Minister Beverley Hughes said: "The guidance simply takes a commonsense approach to the fact that many young children and perhaps particularly many boys, like boisterous, physical activity."

"Although noisy for adults such imaginary games are good for their development as well as good fun."


It's about time. I never expected a sensible argument like this from Ms Hughes.
 
2007-12-28 9:47:52 PM  
johm: This is stupid, guns are bad and boys should be taught from an early to avoid them. Encouraging gun play will only make the boys prone to using guns when they are adults.

Hello? We need to start training the warriors of tomorrow. That sort of pre-9/11 thinking has no place in the context of the harsh realities we face today and will continue to face as long as the terrorists are out there. I applaud this brave move, and so should we all. The fact that it pisses off the PC Police is just a bonus.
 
2007-12-28 9:48:44 PM  
"This is stupid, guns are bad and boys should be taught from an early to avoid them. Encouraging gun play will only make the boys prone to using guns when they are adults."

Umm, no. Guns are guns. They don't follow the rules of good or evil. The person behind the gun is good or bad, not the gun itself. That's like saying the bomb dropped on Hiroshima was bad. The bomb itself didn't care, its an inanimate object. Children should be taught that guns are something to be respected and only to be used against another person if absolutely necessary.
 
2007-12-28 9:49:22 PM  
I grew up with the Daisy bb rifle, bow and arrows, jarts, and click-clacks. Darwin's toys, how I miss them.
 
2007-12-28 9:49:49 PM  
I took my dolls and pointed them at people while running around yelling "pew pew pew!"
 
2007-12-28 9:50:33 PM  
Yes, we have to teach boys to bottle up their aggression and let it fester until they reach the turmoil of adolescence.

That is far better than letting them engage in pretend violence.
 
2007-12-28 9:50:44 PM  
THEY ARE NOT DOLLS THEY ARE ACTION FIGURES !!!!

/ Slams door to room
/ lol
 
2007-12-28 9:51:19 PM  
I tell my boys that even if they are pretend guns, they should only point them at environmentalists and hippies...
 
2007-12-28 9:52:03 PM  
idrow: I grew up with the Daisy bb rifle, bow and arrows, jarts, and click-clacks. Darwin's toys, how I miss them.

You'll shoot your eye out. This is bad because modern weapon systems which we employ against those who wish to destroy us require superior depth perception. On the other hand, it helps train children on the very weapons they will use against those same elements. I'm conflicted on this one.

/Jarts especially are useful against an insurgency
//We can attack them at home
///While they are having a BBQ for example
 
2007-12-28 9:52:39 PM  
Someone actually making sense...that cant happen. I have two boys who both played with toy guns, sticks they used as guns, sticks they used as swords etc etc....guess what two kids have never been in a fight in school and are just great kids.

My cousin used to go nuts. She wouldnt let her boys have guns, they would find a toy to use as a gun, she would take it, they would use a brush as a gun, she would take it....it was fun to sit and watch.
 
2007-12-28 9:52:44 PM  
eqtworld - Wait! I was just picking my nose!

\It's a stone cold shame
 
2007-12-28 9:52:53 PM  
preventing young boys from being young boys, i.e., playing with toy guns, being 'aggressive', running wild, does nothing but retard their natural emotional growth and prevent them from being able to cope with aggressive feelings as a teenager and/or adult.

just look at the increase in school violence over the last decade. coincidence? maybe.

but it is my opinion that the two go hand in hand.

/has three children
//all boys
///one more on the way
 
2007-12-28 9:53:31 PM  
johm: This is stupid, guns are bad and boys should be taught from an early to avoid them. Encouraging gun play will only make the boys prone to using guns when they are adults.

Uh, what? Because our generation and our parents' generation all played cops and robbers or some variant and now we all tote AK's down the street? FAIL

Phone_Answering_Monkey: Hello? We need to start training the warriors of tomorrow. That sort of pre-9/11 thinking has no place in the context of the harsh realities we face today and will continue to face as long as the terrorists are out there. I applaud this brave move, and so should we all. The fact that it pisses off the PC Police is just a bonus.

I hope this is sarcasm.
 
2007-12-28 9:54:24 PM  
One of the appeals of toy guns for boys is that they like to fantasize about having power proportional to adults. If you take away their toy guns, they will just construct them out of ambient materials.

Kiddin' around with my boys, when they 'shot' me, sometimes I would die after an elaborate spinning around that found me landing on top of them. I weigh 300 lbs. When I was feeling really nasty, I would proclaim 'love gun!' and smooch 'em up, while they desperately proclaimed 'hate gun!,' 'kill gun!'

//They still
//hate me.
 
2007-12-28 9:55:31 PM  
johm: This is stupid, guns are bad and boys should be taught from an early to avoid them. Encouraging gun play will only make the boys prone to using guns when they are adults.

TROLL!

/Played with cap-guns as a kid
//Played with Laser-Tag as a pre-teen
///Moved up to a shotgun & rifle at 18
////Got a handgun at 21
//If you are scared of handling a gun, you are a nancy boy
 
2007-12-28 9:56:17 PM  
Good. Can we stop trying to make boys into girls now? We need both kinds of people to keep the world going.
 
2007-12-28 9:57:23 PM  
johm: This is stupid, guns are bad and boys should be taught from an early to avoid them. Encouraging gun play will only make the boys prone to using guns when they are adults.


should they also be kept from nerf guns, squirt guns, rubber band guns, paintball guns ect? it's the job of the parent to teach kids the difference between play and real life. it's an activity that gets kids up and moving. kids play tackle football, but don't normally go around tackling eachother when the game is over. this is because they know the difference between on the field and off the field. it's a game, cops and robbers. cowboys and indians.... they are just imagining. we used to play with nerf guns all the time. it was a lot of fun. to this day, none of my fellow nerfers has gone out and shot anyone with a real gun. let the kids play.
 
2007-12-28 9:58:28 PM  
To everyone born after 1970, I'd like to apologize for all the "adults" who stole your childhood. You were robbed.
 
2007-12-28 9:59:00 PM  
OK we Muslims have NO Problem with this radical idea.

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let's have tea sometime and talk about playing suicide bombers as children mmmk ?
 
2007-12-28 9:59:24 PM  
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Do you want to play a game?
 
2007-12-28 10:00:15 PM  
johm: This is stupid, guns are bad and boys should be taught from an early to avoid them. Encouraging gun play will only make the boys prone to using guns when they are adults.

Hey Whoopty, how's the new log in name working for you?
 
2007-12-28 10:01:06 PM  
When we were kids we used to play this one pretend gun game, where a tiger had jumped out of its cage and was mauling one of our friends...
 
2007-12-28 10:01:22 PM  
BoSchembechler: johm: This is stupid, guns are bad and boys should be taught from an early to avoid them. Encouraging gun play will only make the boys prone to using guns when they are adults.

Uh, what? Because our generation and our parents' generation all played cops and robbers or some variant and now we all tote AK's down the street? FAIL

Phone_Answering_Monkey: Hello? We need to start training the warriors of tomorrow. That sort of pre-9/11 thinking has no place in the context of the harsh realities we face today and will continue to face as long as the terrorists are out there. I applaud this brave move, and so should we all. The fact that it pisses off the PC Police is just a bonus.

I hope this is sarcasm.


Well I hope that someday our children will know complete freedom from terror, but that freedom comes with a price. Integrating play with training (and training with play) is a great first step.

/It's really hard to keep a straight face when you do this.
 
2007-12-28 10:02:52 PM  
Little boys act like little boys. They play cowboys and indians.

Little girls act like little girls. They have teatime and play with dolls.

Little Homosexuals have no such analogous behaviour. They don't act out their sexually deviant roles until they're taught at a later age, generally around 13 to 15, though the expressed appeal of carnal perversion can occur at any time during the formative years.

Homosexuality is a learned behaviour.
 
2007-12-28 10:02:58 PM  
Adman12: Good. Can we stop trying to make boys into girls now? We need both kinds of people to keep the world going.

;) I know you're a dad, and I myself have 6 kids. 4 girls and 2 boys. FWIW, my girls were always rough-n-tumble kids, even before the two boys came along. There's NOTHING a child can't turn into a light saber with a little imagination (or into a grenade, or a gun, or a sword).

The trick, IMHO, is that parents and caregivers have to be involved in helping direct play that involves good guys/bad guys, and make sure to make reading hero and heroine stories part of the child's learning at home or at daycare. Many parents, unfortunately, either aren't involved, or don't feel comfortable bringing their kids up with stories of heroic deeds and good guys beating the pants off the bad guys. ("It's not NICE!" is an argument I hear a lot).

*sigh* I'm as granola as you can get as a parent in most areas, but in this one, I'm firmly on the side of imagination. There is so much to be gained by learning from the stories of heroes, and by mimicking those people in a child's play.
 
2007-12-28 10:03:38 PM  
My mom wouldn't let me have toy guns, so we used sticks and pretended they were guns.

Seriously, boys like weapons. Don't fight it.
 
2007-12-28 10:04:55 PM  
It says some members of staff "find the chosen play of boys more difficult to understand and value than that of girls."

The reason why they can't understand how boys play is that they're all female. Men have long been run out of any involvement with taking care of children.
 
2007-12-28 10:05:37 PM  
T-Luv: johm: This is stupid, guns are bad and boys should be taught from an early to avoid them. Encouraging gun play will only make the boys prone to using guns when they are adults.


should they also be kept from nerf guns, squirt guns, rubber band guns, paintball guns ect? it's the job of the parent to teach kids the difference between play and real life. it's an activity that gets kids up and moving. kids play tackle football, but don't normally go around tackling eachother when the game is over. this is because they know the difference between on the field and off the field. it's a game, cops and robbers. cowboys and indians.... they are just imagining. we used to play with nerf guns all the time. it was a lot of fun. to this day, none of my fellow nerfers has gone out and shot anyone with a real gun. let the kids play.


You know what's sad? I know parents who won't let their kids play football (American style) because it's "a parallel of a war game, and kids' feelings get hurt when they lose or get tackled." Seriously.

But you hit the nail on the head with saying parents have to be involved...it's pathetic that parents should have to be reminded that they set the standards for how their kids experience winning, losing, good and evil, power and control, etc. Some parents just don't want the job.
 
2007-12-28 10:06:01 PM  
letrole: Little boys act like little boys. They play cowboys and indians.

Little girls act like little girls. They have teatime and play with dolls.

Little Homosexuals have no such analogous behaviour. They don't act out their sexually deviant roles until they're taught at a later age, generally around 13 to 15, though the expressed appeal of carnal perversion can occur at any time during the formative years.

Homosexuality is a learned behaviour.


Weren't you my sex ed teacher?
 
2007-12-28 10:07:07 PM  
Inyego: To everyone born after 1970, I'd like to apologize for all the "adults" who stole your childhood. You were robbed.

Eh, my folks were cool about letting me play with toy guns. One of my childhood Halloween costumes was the Terminator, complete with toy machine gun. Highlight of the evening: some smartass in an Alf costume handing out candy swiped my gun and pretended to terminate me. (As with the real Terminator, the gun proved ineffective.)

/moved up to an Enfield rifle in grad school
 
2007-12-28 10:08:03 PM  
My kids got lots of cool things for Christmas...they're favorite?The double barrel nerf gun the 6 yr. old got. It was the only thing he asked Santa to bring him.

I tried to stop the violence when the oldest was young. We had a policy of not pointing guns at people...yeah, that lasted...(no it didn't)

The 13 yr. old was shooting a nerf gun in the house the other day. He shot the 6 yr. old in the eye, and when I was comforting that one, the oldest shot ME in the eye. He was lucky I was laughing, b/c his father would've hurt him...
 
2007-12-28 10:09:48 PM  
granolasteak: There is so much to be gained by learning from the stories of heroes, and by mimicking those people in a child's play

But there's a difference between valiance and violence.

Sure, being adventurers and strategizing and teamwork and all that are great for boys and girls, but aiming at a playmate and pulling a pretend trigger? That isn't fun. If anything, it could be a learning experience: The shooter gets to go sit in "jail" and the dead kid gets to have a funeral. Maybe the kids will realize that playing at killing is a bummer because there's a damper afterwards, and maybe then we'll hear less about little kids shooting each other when they find real guns.
 
2007-12-28 10:09:55 PM  
I used to play with dolls also. Granted that was at a somewhat older age and pins, chanting and dead chickens were often involved but you know, what the hey!
 
2007-12-28 10:10:01 PM  
The fools! Don't they realize that toy guns eventually lead to FPS games!
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2007-12-28 10:10:39 PM  
Modguy: You're on Fark. I hardly think this is a good qualifier as fine.

point taken.
 
2007-12-28 10:10:45 PM  
johm: This is stupid, guns are bad and boys should be taught from an early to avoid them. Encouraging gun play will only make the boys prone to using guns when they are adults.

I hope you're just trolling because your comment is rife with bullshiat. I played with toy guns (cap & water pistols) as a child, so did my son (cap & water pistols). I've never used a real gun in my entire life & my son has used one twice while target shooting with a friend of ours, and that was at a firing range.

Even if a child doesn't have a toy gun, they still will use a stick or finger and yell "bang, bang".
 
2007-12-28 10:12:21 PM  
Some toys from my childhood:

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What do all kids play with now?

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A fakring remote control.

/give the kids more weapons, real or fake
//off my lawn
 
2007-12-28 10:12:47 PM  
I'm 32 and I still sometimes pretend I'm blowing cars up as I'm driving down the road.

/I'm fine
//I think
 
2007-12-28 10:13:14 PM  
pew pew pew
 
2007-12-28 10:13:38 PM  
The wife of a friend of mine tried to resist her boy's instinct to play with guns by telling them that they were playing with fire hoses. Whenever they would pick up sticks, or whatever, and shoot at each other they were required to call them fire hoses instead of guns. So now whenever we go hunting we always remind each other: "don't forget your fire hose".

/I never go anywhere without my fire hose.
//Sometimes I even bring one of my guns.
 
2007-12-28 10:13:52 PM  
johm: This is stupid, guns are bad and boys should be taught from an early to avoid them. Encouraging gun play will only make the boys prone to using guns when they are adults.

My daughters grew up playing with toy pots and pans, but neither had any interest in cooking. The oldest couldn't cook when she got married, but a couple of years of eating her own cooking (and feeling embarrassed when her husband would offer to cook them a decent meal) cured that. My younger daughter still can't cook.

Preventing a child from satisfying a curiosity can build a mystique around something that can last a lifetime. Forbidding toy guns can create a fascination about them in later life, and we've all seen how well teaching abstinence (from both the act and from information) has curbed the teen pregnancy rate.
 
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