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(Yahoo)   DINO, meet RINO: Joe Lieberman endorses John McCain. It's a match made in heaven   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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Sgt Otter
2007-12-17 12:58:15 AM  
Lieberman stopped pretending to be a Democrat years ago, and is now officially listed as an Independent.

/how the hell did this guy the VP nomination in 2000?
 
Cyberluddite [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2007-12-17 12:58:31 AM  
If by "RINO" you mean "mainstream, traditional conservative who isn't fully on board with the neocons who have taken over the Republican Party," then perhaps you have a point. Subby is correct that Lieberman is nothing like a traditional Democrat, but McCain is very much like a traditional Republican. The neocons tend not to support traditional Republicans, of course.
 
Cyberluddite [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2007-12-17 1:04:36 AM  
Sgt Otter: /how the hell did this guy the VP nomination in 2000?

Because Gore is an idiot. Plus, prior to reinventing himself as "Al Gore Version 2.0, Climate Change Warrior," Gore was about a far right as a Dem could be, so Lieberman wasn't really a strange pick for him.
 
jevman
2007-12-17 1:07:15 AM  
Im still confused why our constitution even allows us to have a Senator solely representing the interests of Israel?

Hell, even Puerto Rico doesn't get that treatment and they suffered through letting the Expo's play home games there.
 
tallguywithglasseson
2007-12-17 1:08:59 AM  
Lieberman's a hell of a lot more of a DINO than McCain is a RINO, and even Lieberman is arguable.
McCain's a bona fide Republican. fark, he's got a 20 year record in the Senate, look up how many times he's voted with the majority of his party.
 
DarthBrooks
2007-12-17 1:18:35 AM  
Lieberman is a GOP superstar, and teaming him with McCain would be a dream ticket.

Especially since Republican voters know how Joe is *hated* by the hard-core Democratic Party faithful. And unlike the suspect Mormonism / suspect Fundamentalism of Romney and Huckabee, Lieberman is -believe it or not- respected for adhering to the tenets of his faith by the Evangelical Right.

What a trip - - every time I think this campaign stuff is going to settle down, something new gets stirred into the mix.

Next week: Kucinich's wife turns out to be a midget standing on top of another midget and hidden by a flowing gown.
 
Dinjiin [BareFark]
2007-12-17 1:37:38 AM  
Sgt Otter: Lieberman stopped pretending to be a Democrat years ago

I think it's the other way around. Lieberman and Zell Miller are some of the last of the old school Democrats around. Modern Democrats are really Socialists in disguise.


The thing here is, McCain is fighting Giuliani for the centralist/moderate vote. As an independent, Lieberman captured a good deal of centralist Republicans vote in his state. As such, Lieberman's support carries some weight with that crowd.

Besides, the recent frenzy of nominations shows that McCain still has life. He is often polling in the top four, and his skeletons are all out of the closet. Giuliani, Huckabee and Romney have a few more months worth of demons and closeted skeletons to come forth.

I don't want to drag on here, but it is fair to pardon Lieberman for choosing a Republican candidate. Yeah, the Paul cult would have liked to see him back their candidate, but McCain still wins over the other three loons in my book.
 
quadropheniac
2007-12-17 1:55:55 AM  
Cyberluddite: If by "RINO" you mean "mainstream, traditional conservative who isn't fully on board with the neocons who have taken over the Republican Party," then perhaps you have a point.

Not quite. That's what McCain *used* to be. He sold his soul when he started campaigning for the Republican nomination. Now he's just as bad as the rest of them.
 
Boojum2k
2007-12-17 1:57:25 AM  
Dinjiin: The thing here is, McCain is fighting Giuliani for the centralist/moderate vote. As an independent, Lieberman captured a good deal of centralist Republicans vote in his state. As such, Lieberman's support carries some weight with that crowd.

How dare you interject objective realism into the left's three-minute hate?

/You should have waited until the right wingnuts got here, then rained on both of their parades.
 
Dinjiin [BareFark]
2007-12-17 2:08:05 AM  
Boojum2k: How dare you interject objective realism into the left's three-minute hate?

/You should have waited until the right wingnuts got here, then rained on both of their parades.


I could call them a bunch of heathen Socialists a few more times. That gets a mild rise out of a few of 'em. ;)
 
WhyteRaven74
2007-12-17 2:19:52 AM  
The very fact DINO and RINO even exist as concepts, let alone common catchwords shows how far off the farking tracks the parties and politics have gotten.
 
One F Jef
2007-12-17 3:15:22 AM  
There is no difference between a neocon and a "traditional" conservative or republican, they all want the same thing:

War, Oil, and to ban freedom for honest americans who aren't of the same opinion as them based on some stupid shiat they read in a 2000 year old book of fables while they were worshipping a ritual sacrifice.

Don't give me that "traditional" republican vs. neocon crap, you're all chickenhawk greedy closeted gay self loathing religious extremists.
 
Occam's Chainsaw
2007-12-17 3:20:14 AM  
DINO, RINO... Why do we have a two party system again?

Owait, because we let it get this way.
 
lou_cipher
2007-12-17 3:21:18 AM  
Dinjiin: Modern Democrats are really Socialists in disguise.

When a Democrat actually calls for nationalizing key US industries, I'll believe they're socialists. The US has two major parties of capitalism and nothing else.
 
Gulper Eel
2007-12-17 3:23:01 AM  
Boojum2k: How dare you interject objective realism into the left's three-minute hate?

Three?

Only if the debate features trap doors under their feet and a moderator with an itchy trigger finger.
 
Todd300
2007-12-17 3:24:42 AM  
McCain: Fail, let me sho u mine:

-Bomb bomb Iran
-America caused Hitler to rise; McCain godwins debate.
-Arizona #1 in illegal immigration during McCain's reign.
-Was against Bush, before he was for Bush, before we was (again) against Bush. He's Kerry on STEROIDS!
 
StopArrestingMe
2007-12-17 3:27:37 AM  
'Democrats are Socialists' = 'Republicans are National Socialists' on the intelligent statement scale.
 
Mars232
2007-12-17 3:29:55 AM  
StopArrestingMe: 'Democrats are Socialists' = 'Republicans are National Socialists' on the intelligent statement scale.

Republicans are really more militaristic socialists. They LOVE socialism(the military is the ideal of communism)and will bankrupt the entire country to fund it.
 
Korovyov
2007-12-17 3:30:54 AM  
Dinjiin:
The thing here is, McCain is fighting Giuliani for the centralist/moderate vote. As an independent, Lieberman captured a good deal of centralist Republicans vote in his state. As such, Lieberman's support carries some weight with that crowd.

Sen. McCain and Sen. Giuliani might be fighting over social moderates, but they're both hawkish in foreign policy, or at least that's my impression. Sen. Lieberman is both a hawk on foreign policy (at least, with respect to the Middle East -- he's advocated air strikes on alleged training camps in Iran, for instance), and appears to be rather socially conservative as well, in terms of the culture war -- aligned with the 'concerned parents' against Hollywood, for instance.
 
mheuss
2007-12-17 4:23:22 AM  
One F Jef: There is no difference between a neocon and a "traditional" conservative or republican

That just shows your lack of knowledge on Republicanism. Take a look at Warren Rudman, Christine Whitman, John Danforth - or - for more extremes - any republican president pre Ronald Reagan.

You'll see that a radical transformation in the republican party took place when the christian conservatives were politicized and brought into the republican party.


WhyteRaven74 The very fact DINO and RINO even exist as concepts, let alone common catchwords shows how far off the farking tracks the parties and politics have gotten.

There have always been both - which is why there have been a plethora of third parties in American history. If a third party gets a little momentum, the party closest in ideology tends to coop the idea and engulfs it.

quadropheniac Not quite. That's what McCain *used* to be. He sold his soul when he started campaigning for the Republican nomination. Now he's just as bad as the rest of them.

definitely. He wants the presidency enough to throw away everything he once stood for.

Dinjiin I think it's the other way around. Lieberman and Zell Miller are some of the last of the old school Democrats around. Modern Democrats are really Socialists in disguise.

Hmmm.. Claiming democrats are socialists is just as ignorant as the person who was claiming there is no difference between current and traditional republicans.

Old school democrats like Zell Miller are social conservatives - the democrat party was very different in the north and the south until Reagan brought the christian conservatives on board. Slowly but surely, he brought a bunch of democrats over as well. Newt Gingrich's contract with America went a long ways to bringing the rest of them on board.

Here in the south, we have a remarkable phenomenon that we elect Democrats to the local offices, and Republicans to state and national offices.
 
One F Jef
2007-12-17 4:56:28 AM  
mheuss:

You'll see that a radical transformation in the republican party took place when the christian conservatives were politicized and brought into the republican party.

This argument does not refute my statement, it enforces it.

The transformation has taken place, and the entire damned lot of them deserve nothing better than to be drug into the streets and shot.

Women and children first!

//gentleman.
 
KyanWan
2007-12-17 5:45:37 AM  
Cyberluddite: If by "RINO" you mean "mainstream, traditional conservative who isn't fully on board with the neocons who have taken over the Republican Party," then perhaps you have a point. Subby is correct that Lieberman is nothing like a traditional Democrat, but McCain is very much like a traditional Republican. The neocons tend not to support traditional Republicans, of course.

Yeah, because us traditional Republicans think these neocons are flaming bags of dog poo left on our doorsteps.

They should go back to the churches from whence they have spawned.

Filthy disgusting neocons. They tarinshed our good name.

BTW - I voted for McCain in the 2000 primary. Frickin' Bush stole THAT election too. ARRRG!
 
USP .45
2007-12-17 7:44:16 AM  
One F Jef: There is no difference between a neocon and a "traditional" conservative or republican, they all want the same thing:

War, Oil, and to ban freedom for honest americans who aren't of the same opinion as them based on some stupid shiat they read in a 2000 year old book of fables while they were worshipping a ritual sacrifice.

Don't give me that "traditional" republican vs. neocon crap, you're all chickenhawk greedy closeted gay self loathing religious extremists.

$1 dollar to the person that can explain why this bigoted and stereotypical blanket assault on an entire political spectrum is ironic.

Oh wait - just did.
 
drjekel_mrhyde
2007-12-17 7:45:05 AM  
I think this is good it just fuels the turmoil fire the the current republican contenders are in right now
 
USP .45
2007-12-17 7:46:36 AM  
The transformation has taken place, and the entire damned lot of them deserve nothing better than to be drug into the streets and shot.

Irony icing on the irony cake.

"Let's drag those ideological fascists out into the street and shoot them!"
 
USP .45
2007-12-17 7:54:37 AM  
KyanWan

They should go back to the churches from whence they have spawned.

A neocon is a globalist who advocates an aggressive, expansionist foreign policy and quite a bit of government spending.

The religious aspect is only for the votes.
 
Aarontology
2007-12-17 8:43:57 AM  
USP .45: A neocon is a globalist who advocates an aggressive, expansionist foreign policy and quite a bit of government spending.

The religious aspect is only for the votes.

Who says that can't be theocrats at the same time?
 
dittybopper
2007-12-17 8:47:40 AM  
Cyberluddite: If by "RINO" you mean "mainstream, traditional conservative who isn't fully on board with the neocons who have taken over the Republican Party," then perhaps you have a point. Subby is correct that Lieberman is nothing like a traditional Democrat, but McCain is very much like a traditional Republican. The neocons tend not to support traditional Republicans, of course.


A traditional republican would never have drafted that unconstitutional abortion called "McCain/Feingold".
 
Gulper Eel
2007-12-17 9:13:07 AM  
dittybopper: A traditional republican would never have drafted that unconstitutional abortion called "McCain/Feingold".

This.

Otherwise I'd like McCain, especially compared to the rest of the crew. A choice between him and Obama would be the first in my life that didn't leave me pondering whether or not to write in Abe Vigoda or Cesar Romero.
 
Aarontology
2007-12-17 9:21:15 AM  
Gulper Eel: Otherwise I'd like McCain, especially compared to the rest of the crew. A choice between him and Obama would be the first in my life that didn't leave me pondering whether or not to write in Abe Vigoda or Cesar Romero.

I used to respect McCain, even though I disagreed with him on nearly everything. Then he started sucking up to the religious right. Apparently Falwell and Robertson are extremists, except when you want their audience to vote for you.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-12-17 10:44:26 AM  
Republicans like to stomp on puppies.

Democrats are all sheep farkers.

Republicans laugh maniacally when soldier die.

Democrats like destroying farmers' lives to protect wetlands.

Republicans are against abortion because it gives them fewer soldiers to kill.

Democrats are for abortion because they love dead babies.

Republicans demonize their opponents.

Democrats all make unfair generalizations.

Etc. etc. etc.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-12-17 10:47:48 AM  
One F Jef: Don't give me that "traditional" republican vs. neocon crap, you're all chickenhawk greedy closeted gay self loathing religious extremists.

Oooh, can I play? Um--YOU'RE all terrorist-loving tax-and-spend weenie America-hating Commie limousine liberals.

Hey, this is fun!
 
Blathering Idjut
2007-12-17 11:49:11 AM  
What a strange world we live in.

A war-mongering douchebag neocon Senator endorses another war-mongering douchebag neocon Senator in his bid for the Presidency and it's considered big news.

Consider me less than stunned.
 
Alphax
2007-12-17 12:19:46 PM  
Blathering Idjut: What a strange world we live in.

A war-mongering douchebag neocon Senator endorses another war-mongering douchebag neocon Senator in his bid for the Presidency and it's considered big news.

Consider me less than stunned.

I agree.
 
Crude
2007-12-17 12:24:25 PM  
I'd vote for Lieberman over McCain...or at least a Lieberman/McCain ticket...and you can't get more Republican than me.
 
Mr. Xhin
2007-12-17 12:27:14 PM  
My latest conspiracy theory...

If Gore had been allowed to take the office he won in 2000, he would have immediately been assassinated to clear the way for President Lieberman, who would have started up the Global War for Oil that the neocons wanted. Lieberman was the GOP's ultimate inside man in the Gore campaign.

During the recount fiasco, I thought it odd that Gore would just throw in the towel like that. My hunch is that he got a call from the Republican hatchet men saying that if he wanted to live, he'd stop contesting.

And that's how we got the Murder Monkey.

So ugly that it must be true.
 
SeismicJizzer
2007-12-17 2:22:51 PM  
Dinjiin: I think it's the other way around. Lieberman and Zell Miller are some of the last of the old school Democrats around. Modern Democrats are really Socialists in disguise.

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Goodfella
2007-12-17 5:33:22 PM  
Occam's Chainsaw: DINO, RINO... Why do we have a two party system again?

Owait, because we let it get this way.

America doesn't have a two party system. It has a one party pro-corporate system. This political party has two splinter branches: the Democrats and the Republicans.
 
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