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equilibrium
2007-12-12 9:51:07 AM  
MFL: Whatever dude. Yes they do work hard. So does eveyone else.

I don't work half as hard and make probably twice as much. We don't value education in the US. We're far too interested in churning out more consumer cogs for the service sector.

Teacher do work very hard. But name another profession in the private sector that has 2 weeks off for christmas, spring break, every holiday known to man and 3 months off in the summer. I haven't taken a vacation in 11 years. My vacation is taken by the hour.

It's amazing that your sisters, mother and girlfriend were teachers and you can still make ignorant statements like this. A friend who was a teacher spent her "vacations" reviewing lesson plans and staying on top of the state training requirements.
 
Pontus and the Nail Drivers
2007-12-12 9:51:25 AM  
MFL:
Mabey your isn't a very bright one.

?????
 
Pontus and the Nail Drivers
2007-12-12 9:53:05 AM  
Pontus and the Nail Drivers: MFL:
Mabey your isn't a very bright one.

?????

Forgot to add:pwmsturbator.
 
inglixthemad
2007-12-12 9:53:38 AM  
From TFA: He then proves Mr. Hynek correct by rattling off ignorant, simpleminded inanities about the Iraq War - the president knowingly lied, no WMDs, blah blah blah

Wow. Methinks you either failed basic literacy or only get your news from right-wing sources. While I personally don't say "Bush lied," He definitely made the case appear much stronger than it was, and sent Colin Powell to the UN to do the same there. You do realize, in fact, that the only chemical or biological weapons found were a few old artillery shells of stuff the military refused to classify as WMD. Oh wait, that liberal military must have it out for conservatives too. Water-boarding? Didn't we hang the Japanese that did that to our boys in the II? We classified it as torture then I believe. NSA spying, 9/11 & Al-Qaeda links for Saddam.

The president has given me more than enough reason to distrust his every word.

Get over yourself son. There are liberals and conservatives in every walk of life. You definitely won't agree with nor get along with anyone. Running around hysterically going "libs, libs, libs in our schools!" only serves to make you appear as foolish as you are young. Yes, most liberals only tell the half of the truth they agree with, but then again, the same can be said of conservatives. Finally, if it's such a big deal then why aren't more conservatives sacrificing to balance out the liberals in the school system?

Right-wing? Left-wing? What happened to the rest of the bird?

MFL: Teacher do work very hard. But name another profession in the private sector that has 2 weeks off for christmas, spring break, every holiday known to man and 3 months off in the summer. I haven't taken a vacation in 11 years. My vacation is taken by the hour.

Wow you must know teachers from a lazy school district. The ones I've known take classes and write lesson plans in the summer, grade papers over the holidays, et al. Why some even teach summer school and do administrative work! That wouldn't fit with the whole ideal of teachers getting so much time off though, so it's often discarded.
 
HotWingConspiracy
2007-12-12 9:57:33 AM  
inglixthemad: Right-wing? Left-wing? What happened to the rest of the bird?

I'm part of the centrist Breast Party.
 
Wooly Bully
2007-12-12 9:57:36 AM  
MFL:
For example it is easy to say raise taxes on Corporate America when you are not the one paying 60% or your profits in taxes when the dust settles.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Ow, my sides. Corporations paying 60% in taxes...oh, that's too good.
 
Dubya's_Coke_Dealer
2007-12-12 10:05:45 AM  
7thVeil: aevert: What do you expect from a Fondle Sack HS graduate?

I commuted for almost 6 years, 45 min each way, simply to avoid living in Fondy! Miserable place.

"If you're not a liberal before you're 30 you have no heart... if you're not a conservative after you're 30 you have no brains." - Winston Churchill

At least I got the first part right. It always saddens me to see young people starting right out of the gate w/the uber-conservatism. The world can only get smaller for this guy as the years wear on.

Churchill never said it
 
Mr. Xhin
2007-12-12 10:09:51 AM  
It's surprising this little douchebag was able to take time out from his Army Basic Training to write such a...wha..whatzat? Chickenhawk? Oh...

Nevermind.
 
inglixthemad
2007-12-12 10:13:59 AM  
MFL: I haven't taken a vacation in 11 years. My vacation is taken by the hour.

Hmm, methinks your doing it wrong. I get 9 weeks of vacation every year, of course the hours I log, nobody complains. I'm hoping your self-employed, or man, are you getting f**ked in the a$$. If you're not running your own business, heck even if you are after 11 years if you couldn't take a vacation then you're in the wrong field. I was getting six weeks of vacation after my first 5 as a consultant. My friend runs a computer joint and gets 4 weeks a year, and he only started it a few years ago!

Back to business school for you?
 
gruntmints
2007-12-12 10:14:39 AM  
Well, there certaily is an issue with it, from my personal experience, but I don't think it's as serious as people tend to think, though when it does appear, it can be fairly egregious.

For example, I'm a fairly conservative person, but never do my views get across to my students. Why? Because that would be beyond my job description. It's not my job to tell these students what to think in regards to politics. It's my job to educate them on english grammar. However, there is one teacher whose room I use every day, and I will often sit in on his class in waiting for my own. Every day, and this is not hyperbole, he will go on some kind of Anti-george bush, anti-america rant, that is quite often completely unrelated to what he is teaching. And i sit back, and i wonder, how can someone be allowed to do this, and get away with it? How can a teacher stand there and describe how evil America is, and how, anecdotally speaking here, "America should give Texas back to Mexico," or how Che guevara was a freedom fighter, fighting against the oppressors from the United States? i WISH i was making this up, but i'm not. And you know what? In my experience, both lower and higher education, i have never once had a teacher who tried to push his or her conservative views upon me. In the times that it has happened, or that i've seen it, it's only been from the liberal side. I cannot, of course, recount anyone else's experiences, but this is just my own, so someone else might have had that experience. But really, what does that say? It really only says that of the few that do, from my perspective, they're all liberal, and they're quite often the kooky fringe as well. Lacking neutrality in a classroom is always a problem, because a teacher is in a position of authority. Regardless of his or her political background, they have no right to preach to one side or another, because they are looked on as an authority. If they stand and put forth something not in the curriculum, not related to the work, and that is questionable in truth, that's always a problem.
 
inglixthemad
2007-12-12 10:16:38 AM  
HotWingConspiracy: inglixthemad: Right-wing? Left-wing? What happened to the rest of the bird?

I'm part of the centrist Breast Party.

Welcome! We're the base of this country's sanity and have to beat up the liberals and conservatives from time to time. They're really lucky we don't line'em all up and shoot'em. Sometimes I think they're more trouble than they're worth, but oh, the entertainment value of Bill'O & Olbermann kicks in every so often...
 
mindbuzz
2007-12-12 10:20:15 AM  
Adult teacher haters are almost always right-wing wacko idiots.


/just sayin'
 
AirForceVet [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2007-12-12 10:21:47 AM  
swahnhennessy: That dweeb needs to enlist.

My thoughts exactly. I even wrote a option letter in the newspaper to him telling him he was wrong to imply the teacher shouldn't be teaching because of his personal political views. I threw in the comment about signing up too.

/Stupid punk.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2007-12-12 10:22:27 AM  
Can't we get past the fact that this little Bushbot doesn't have the stones to go fight a war that he otherwise thinks is necessary and just? I'd be afraid that the next (first?) time this unstable and confused mental midget picks up a gun, he's going to go Richard McBeef. He certainly fits the profile.
 
SpyroChiro
2007-12-12 10:23:15 AM  
The term liberal is used far too loosely to describe teachers...this is not a political issue...I think the most adequate term is INTELLECTUAL. Also known as people who stop and think about the words that come out of their mouth before speaking. You know, the ones who can prove their assertions?
The resistance against intelligence in this country is staggering. It is painful for me to watch the people I love be manipulated by the ideas of religious extremism and sheer stupidity promoted in the media.

Stupididy is strength....study your bible, I'm sure that's in there somewhere.
 
inglixthemad
2007-12-12 10:23:36 AM  
gruntmints: Well, there certaily is an issue with it, from my personal experience, but I don't think it's as serious as people tend to think, though when it does appear, it can be fairly egregious.

For example, I'm a fairly conservative person, but never do my views get across to my students. Why? Because that would be beyond my job description. It's not my job to tell these students what to think in regards to politics. It's my job to educate them on english grammar. However, there is one teacher whose room I use every day, and I will often sit in on his class in waiting for my own. Every day, and this is not hyperbole, he will go on some kind of Anti-george bush, anti-america rant, that is quite often completely unrelated to what he is teaching. And i sit back, and i wonder, how can someone be allowed to do this, and get away with it? How can a teacher stand there and describe how evil America is, and how, anecdotally speaking here, "America should give Texas back to Mexico," or how Che guevara was a freedom fighter, fighting against the oppressors from the United States? i WISH i was making this up, but i'm not. And you know what? In my experience, both lower and higher education, i have never once had a teacher who tried to push his or her conservative views upon me. In the times that it has happened, or that i've seen it, it's only been from the liberal side. I cannot, of course, recount anyone else's experiences, but this is just my own, so someone else might have had that experience. But really, what does that say? It really only says that of the few that do, from my perspective, they're all liberal, and they're quite often the kooky fringe as well. Lacking neutrality in a classroom is always a problem, because a teacher is in a position of authority. Regardless of his or her political background, they have no right to preach to one side or another, because they are looked on as an authority. If they stand and put forth something not in the curriculum, not related to the work, and that is questionable in truth, that's always a problem.

And you're describing the extreme. There are teachers on the other end of the extreme too, but, liberals don't go sounding off like foghorns and screaming like little girls about it constantly. Not only that but some of it is blown out of proportion by overactive parents after hearing a half-truth from a teenager. I knew a teacher at a school in the area here. One of my family members said something about how that teacher "refused to stand and pledge allegiance to a worthless rag." Of course the parents went frothing nuts.

No.

Not even close.

Ex-Military (GO NAVY!) teacher friend. I invited him over for dinner with said family members as a surprise, boy did that girl turn 3 shades of red before the night was out (and I'm wagering that 1 shade was from the parental retribution of making them look bad). Ahem, what had happened was a flag had fallen on the ground, and the teach "took the useless rag and replaced it with a fresh flag (out of pocket!) because you don't salute a fallen rag." Don't you like how the best lies have at least 50% truth to them.
 
John Cocktoastin
2007-12-12 10:25:26 AM  
Magorn: EmmaLou: From his blog: When I'm not hitting the textbooks or battling the forces of liberalism, I like to play video games

Exactly.

Dear 18-20 yr old conservative douchebag
Here's a little rule I have:

You don't get to be taken seriously when arguing against "liberals" or the social safety net until such time as you abandon your parental safety net, stop suckling off tax-payer subsidized higher education and actually try to make it in the real world. You might care a little more about universal health care once you are too old to be covered on daddy's insurance; so let's chat then okay? In the meantime kindly STFU.

Sincerely

Magorn


PS: while you may not have heard, there is a war on right now, one that your conservative heroes have called "the Defining struggle of our generation" and by happy coinicidence the Army's hiring. So can we pencil you in for 8am tomorrow morning at your local recruiters office?

Wouldn't it be dandy to see his closeted, self loathing, wide stance inner child run smack dab into "don't ask don't tell"?

I'm here in Phoenix where JD Hayworth has a local AM talk radio show...a bigger douchebag you will never find.
 
Gordon Bennett [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2007-12-12 10:25:58 AM  
EmmaLou: From his blog: When I'm not hitting the textbooks or battling the forces of liberalism, I like to play video games

Exactly.


Sometimes, while battling the forces of liberalism, he needs to let the keyboard cool down. That must be what the video games are for, something to do while the ConservaRage has nowhere to go.
 
DarnoKonrad
2007-12-12 10:30:21 AM  
MFL: DarnoKonrad You're a farking tool.

You are a little biatch.

Misogyny as an insult. Keep living up to expectations MFL.
 
The Homer Tax
2007-12-12 10:36:20 AM  
I haven't taken a vacation in 11 years.

You're doing it wrong.
 
Realdebate
2007-12-12 10:42:01 AM  
You leftoids miss the point entirely.

Ideology really does not belong in the classroom. Teach it down the middle and let the children decide.

If we face facts we would admit that the occurance of liberals in the classroom is much higher than conservatives.

Can't we just call it down the middle and let the children decide for themselves?
 
JimmyFartpants
2007-12-12 10:44:29 AM  
Eh, I remember having an old hippy teacher in Social Studies during junior high. You just knew this guy was out protesting during the 60's and eating all kinds of acid, but at the same time he was very patriotic, and had lots of nasty things to say about the Soviets & Communism.
 
Bad_Seed
2007-12-12 10:44:45 AM  
EmmaLou: From his blog: When I'm not hitting the textbooks or battling the forces of liberalism, I like to play video games

Afternoon_Delight?
 
jojostan
2007-12-12 10:47:20 AM  
well if anyone thinks liberal indoctrination isn't happening, what about the University of Delaware's little indoctrination program? seems they were making it MANDATORY for students to attend reprogramm- er, I mean orientation sessions. of course, when they were discovered, they put away the little red books real fast.here's a sample of the reprogramming manual...
[image from hotair.cachefly.net too old to be available]
and anyone who thinks leftist indoctrination is not systematic in the school systems is either sadly deluded or just O.K. with it. another example. Why were the students of an English class in a school in Beaumont Texas shown Fahrenheit 911? What possible link can you give between an anti-American screed and learning the basics of the English language? Well, one reason might be that it is a captive audience. It seems when people have a choice they usually steer away from drivel like that. Look at "REDACTED" the anti-war (anti-troop) film from from Brian DePalma. It has been calculated that this liberal opus was seen by almost 4000 people!
It seems most normal people have no stomach for craptacular liberal statements.
 
twilson2
2007-12-12 10:49:56 AM  
>> well if anyone thinks liberal indoctrination

There's a liberal under my bed.

I think there is a islamo facist and a commie under there with him.
 
hachijuhachi
2007-12-12 10:52:17 AM  
WOW! That kid is teh uglay!
 
jojostan
2007-12-12 10:55:27 AM  
>> well if anyone thinks liberal indoctrination

There's a liberal under my bed.

I think there is a islamo facist and a commie under there with him.
Wow, you must of had your opponents pissing themselves in the debate team at college....
 
Cowboy Spencer
2007-12-12 10:55:51 AM  
twilson2: There's a liberal under my bed.

HALP! There's a liberal inside my skin!

/The President did lie - though possibly it was unintentional
/There really weren't any WMDs or any ongoing program to create them
/However, the biggest problem with public schools is that education of students isn't the sole focus
 
Gordon Bennett [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2007-12-12 10:56:09 AM  
Realdebate:
Can't we just call it down the middle and let the children decide for themselves?

No. The point of education is to provide objective information from credible academic sources, not to provide a balanced or compregensive view of opinions from anyone with a political axe to grind.

I see those people arguing about "teach the controversy," and it has nothing to do with objective or academic information. It's a clear, obvious attempt to force public education to become part of their own partisan echo chamber by complaining that not catering to their opinion constitutes a lack of objectivity.
 
tortilla burger
2007-12-12 10:57:14 AM  
zomg teh libs save meh
 
gregario
2007-12-12 10:58:07 AM  
note that this douchebag is going to Hillsdale College, a bastion of right-wing nuttiness. If he really was a true blue american he should be in Iraq.
 
DarnoKonrad
2007-12-12 10:58:36 AM  
[image from hotair.cachefly.net too old to be available]

jojostan

What is liberal about this?
 
padraig
2007-12-12 10:58:55 AM  
Gordon Bennett: No. The point of education is to provide objective information from credible academic sources, not to provide a balanced or compregensive view of opinions from anyone with a political axe to grind.

I see those people arguing about "teach the controversy," and it has nothing to do with objective or academic information. It's a clear, obvious attempt to force public education to become part of their own partisan echo chamber by complaining that not catering to their opinion constitutes a lack of objectivity.

Somebody once said something like that: "Being fair and balanced is giving 5 minutes to Hitler, and 5 minutes to the Jews".

/Is it godwinning to just reference Hitler, and not call somebody a Nazi ?
 
unexplained bacon
2007-12-12 10:59:13 AM  
jojostan: well if anyone thinks liberal indoctrination isn't happening, what about the University of Delaware's little indoctrination program? seems they were making it MANDATORY for students to attend reprogramm- er, I mean orientation sessions. of course, when they were discovered, they put away the little red books real fast.here's a sample of the reprogramming manual...

got a better example? that's pretty benign IMO

Why were the students of an English class in a school in Beaumont Texas shown Fahrenheit 911?

because the teacher is a douche.
you use this as an example of a nation wide effort by liberal to indoctrinate our youth, I see it as an example of an idiot getting a teaching job. it happens.
my nephew's gym teacher (in public school) was getting his class together for a prayer before class. does that mean christians are consipiring to indoctrinate our children in public schools? or perhaps it means that particular teacher has poor judgment. to prove that their is a concerted national effort by liberals to 'indoctrinate' our youth you should really have a lot more examples. what you have now is simply anecdotes that don't prove what you're claiming.

you don't have much of a case.

It seems when people have a choice they usually steer away from drivel like that. Look at "REDACTED" the anti-war (anti-troop) film from from Brian DePalma. It has been calculated that this liberal opus was seen by almost 4000 people!
It seems most normal people have no stomach for craptacular liberal statements.

4000 people!
never heard of it. what does this prove?
nuthin
 
The Corporation
2007-12-12 10:59:40 AM  
I'm more outraged that the first guy seems to think that there should be a stronger police presence on Scott Street. The solution to this problem is not a stronger police presence, rather the solution is to add a farkin wal-mart to the end of the street so that traffic becomes so congested with old people and rusted-out pickup trucks that it's impossible to go so fast.
 
unexplained bacon
2007-12-12 11:01:33 AM  
Realdebate: You leftoids miss the point entirely.

Ideology really does not belong in the classroom. Teach it down the middle and let the children decide.

If we face facts we would admit that the occurance of liberals in the classroom is much higher than conservatives.

Can't we just call it down the middle and let the children decide for themselves?


has anyone said this teacher should be giving these kinds of opinions in class? I haven't seen it.

most people are just pointing out that this one teacher being inappropriate does not a liberal conspiracy make.

/IMO the teacher shouldn't be making these points in class, it's not the place for it.
 
unexplained bacon
2007-12-12 11:03:39 AM  
schools
universities
scientific communities
the MSM

they're all conspiring against the conservatives!

why?
please tell me.
 
unexplained bacon
2007-12-12 11:10:29 AM  
conservatives sound like 9/11 truthers trying to push this conspiracy theory of theirs.

they make huge claims and back it up with anecdotes. then to top it off you've got to believe that vast groups of people are working toward these shady goals completely hidden from view (where's the evidence?). then on top of that the actual motive isn't even clear (they hate america? wtf does that mean?)
 
Hibno
2007-12-12 11:12:09 AM  
Realdebate: You leftoids miss the point entirely.

Ideology really does not belong in the classroom. Teach it down the middle and let the children decide.

If we face facts we would admit that the occurance of liberals in the classroom is much higher than conservatives.

Can't we just call it down the middle and let the children decide for themselves?

I don't know what you are saying. Are you referring to "teaching down the middle" only about the Iraq war, or about everything? The Iraq war is one thing, because it is an ongoing thing and it will be a while before historians can study it after the dust has settled. But what about things where there is no controversy or a pretend controversy?

For example, the whole intelligent design thing. Intelligent design is not science. There is no scientific controversy. The only controversy is raised by religious people with a vendetta against evolution. You would be depriving kids if you wasted time in science class teaching them about a completely baseless idea when you should be teaching them sound biology.
 
DarnoKonrad
2007-12-12 11:13:27 AM  
unexplained bacon: jojostan: well if anyone thinks liberal indoctrination isn't happening, what about the University of Delaware's little indoctrination program? seems they were making it MANDATORY for students to attend reprogramm- er, I mean orientation sessions. of course, when they were discovered, they put away the little red books real fast.here's a sample of the reprogramming manual...

got a better example? that's pretty benign IMO

Why were the students of an English class in a school in Beaumont Texas shown Fahrenheit 911?

because the teacher is a douche.
you use this as an example of a nation wide effort by liberal to indoctrinate our youth, I see it as an example of an idiot getting a teaching job. it happens.
my nephew's gym teacher (in public school) was getting his class together for a prayer before class. does that mean christians are consipiring to indoctrinate our children in public schools? or perhaps it means that particular teacher has poor judgment. to prove that their is a concerted national effort by liberals to 'indoctrinate' our youth you should really have a lot more examples. what you have now is simply anecdotes that don't prove what you're claiming.

you don't have much of a case.

It seems when people have a choice they usually steer away from drivel like that. Look at "REDACTED" the anti-war (anti-troop) film from from Brian DePalma. It has been calculated that this liberal opus was seen by almost 4000 people!
It seems most normal people have no stomach for craptacular liberal statements.

4000 people!
never heard of it. what does this prove?
nuthin

Don't give that to him. Part of the English language is rhetoric. I find it a tad bit frightening when people push this "teach only the basics" stuff. Knowing how to read is meaningless if you aren't capable of critical thinking -- its the first step in making a society easy to control if you're only use of the English language is reading Maxim and watching Jerry Springer.

Who is to say how Moore's film was used in the class? Is the goal of school to only expose children to only the most white bread of culture? How do you know it wasn't used to show how rhetoric can and does effect public discourse? Which has little to do with any sort of political indoctrination. I encourage people to watch Moore films AND read Ann Colter books. Exposing people to only things they agree with is a short road to stupidity.

By pandering to his comment you stereotype the teaching establishment in exactly the way he wanted without knowing anything about the motives or educational content of the particular incident.
 
Cowboy Spencer
2007-12-12 11:14:40 AM  
unexplained bacon: conservatives sound like 9/11 truthers trying to push this conspiracy theory of theirs.

That kid started going to school in Buster Browns and wound up in tie-dye and birkenstocks! LIBERAL CONSPIRACY!

/was trying to think of the equivalent version of the wire + fire + cinder blocks "experiment"
 
Torque420
2007-12-12 11:15:08 AM  
The kid graduated Highschool in 2006 of course hes going to be nieve and biased he still hasnt learned that the world is not in the bubble of his little town. I cant believe that this kid also calle dhte cops to report street racing in his neighborhood. He sounds like a douche and was probably ridiculed at school for being an asshat!
 
Cowboy Spencer
2007-12-12 11:16:21 AM  
DarnoKonrad: I encourage people to watch Moore films AND read Ann Colter books.

IIRC, Michael Moore's movie suggests bad behavior on the part of the President and a few associates.

Ann Coulter declares that anyone who holds liberal views is an idiot.

/one of these things is not like the other.
 
DarnoKonrad
2007-12-12 11:21:03 AM  
Cowboy Spencer: DarnoKonrad: I encourage people to watch Moore films AND read Ann Colter books.

IIRC, Michael Moore's movie suggests bad behavior on the part of the President and a few associates.

Ann Coulter declares that anyone who holds liberal views is an idiot.

/one of these things is not like the other.

I agree, but my point is to never accept the premise of a conservative's argument. Just because a Moore film is shown in class does not mean that it was for the purpose of indoctrination.
 
HotWingConspiracy
2007-12-12 11:22:53 AM  
unexplained bacon: schools
universities
scientific communities
the MSM

they're all conspiring against the conservatives!

why?
please tell me.

Satan.
 
unexplained bacon
2007-12-12 11:23:30 AM  
DarnoKonrad: By pandering to his comment you stereotype the teaching establishment in exactly the way he wanted without knowing anything about the motives or educational content of the particular incident.

pandering? I don't think so.

playing that movie in an english class is idiotic.
that teacher is a douche and I have no problem giving this guy that point.

the fact that he wanted to use this one incident as proof of systematic liberal indoctrination in our public schools on the other hand is retarded. that point I will not give him.

what you're trying to do IMO is give an idiotic teacher a pass in an attempt to give nothing to jojostan. that's not necessary and it waters down the main point.

my main point: there is no liberal indoctrination conspiracy within our schools or universities.
 
DarnoKonrad
2007-12-12 11:26:47 AM  
unexplained bacon: DarnoKonrad: By pandering to his comment you stereotype the teaching establishment in exactly the way he wanted without knowing anything about the motives or educational content of the particular incident.

pandering? I don't think so.

playing that movie in an english class is idiotic.
that teacher is a douche and I have no problem giving this guy that point.

the fact that he wanted to use this one incident as proof of systematic liberal indoctrination in our public schools on the other hand is retarded. that point I will not give him.

what you're trying to do IMO is give an idiotic teacher a pass in an attempt to give nothing to jojostan. that's not necessary and it waters down the main point.

my main point: there is no liberal indoctrination conspiracy within our schools or universities.

I agree there is no conspiracy. But, I will not accept that the teacher is an "idiot" without knowing anything about the curriculum in which it was taught.
 
unexplained bacon
2007-12-12 11:26:50 AM  
DarnoKonrad: but my point is to never accept the premise of a conservative's argument. Just because a Moore film is shown in class does not mean that it was for the purpose of indoctrination.

I will make the assumption that that teacher agreed with the premise of that movie and he wanted his students to see it.

maybe he was using it for some lesson on prepositions but I seriously doubt it. if you want to argue that point it's up to you, but I think it's a loser.
 
unexplained bacon
2007-12-12 11:31:32 AM  
HotWingConspiracy: unexplained bacon: schools
universities
scientific communities
the MSM

they're all conspiring against the conservatives!

why?
please tell me.

Satan.

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who could it be? oh I don't know...


/seriously though, I'd love a 'conservative' to answer my question
 
spiderbarks
2007-12-12 11:32:55 AM  
Sunny Ray "my face is, again, awash in smiles"

I think that's just the money shot you got there on your face.
 
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