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(AZCentral)   Principal suspends grade-schooler who allegedly used the term "brown people," explaining that it's fine to be racist as long as you keep your mouth shut. Difficulty: No, really   (azcentral.com) divider line
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klymen
2007-11-28 4:26:19 PM  
Pft, people said "Brown People" all the time in my school. It was like saying black people or white people and I consider those to be more racist. "Brown people" is not really racist since it's basically everyone who's not white, Asian or black. There is no specific race that really qualifies as "Brown". There are people who even qualify Mexican/Latinos as brown.
 
chrisj2k
2007-11-28 4:30:55 PM  
cue the NAGGERS pic in 4...3...2...1...
 
The Fourth Karamazov
2007-11-28 4:32:14 PM  
I bet the principal is just upset because the UPS driver made a special delivery to his wife.
 
Asa Phelps
2007-11-28 4:38:44 PM  
I like how the kid never actually said it but he's still taking the fall for it.

I understand that there is racism in the world and that it's an ugly thing, but sometimes people hate you because you're a jerk regardless of your skin color.
 
Dogberry
2007-11-28 4:42:42 PM  
Congratulations, Ms. Principal. You've officially lost control of your school.
 
Blues_X
2007-11-28 4:48:01 PM  
The boy maintains that he never said it; that the words were put in his mouth by the parent who questioned him. That parent happens to be the mother of the student with whom he is having a conflict-and she happens to work for Abraham Lincoln as a detention-room officer.

The tape indicates that rather than just spouting off with racial invective, the boy was asked first why he didn't want to cooperate with brown people by the parent/school official.

In court, this might be called entrapment. Not to mention a conflict of interest.


Virginia, you ignorant slut.
 
eddyatwork
2007-11-28 4:48:21 PM  
Good god and to think we once won WWII. In fifty years we'll be the world's biatch we're so pussy.
 
RocketRod
2007-11-28 4:51:37 PM  
FTFA: she happens to work for Abraham Lincoln as a detention-room officer.

And she's getting a kick out of these replies.
 
Zarkin Frood
2007-11-28 4:55:44 PM  
So colors are right out? So if I said I was a "peach person" or an "ecru person", would I get reprimanded for racism? Who was that comedian that said one day we would all be known as paint colors (and it would be irrelevant because we would all be "burnt sienna"?)
 
mmm... pancake
2007-11-28 4:59:06 PM  
What can the b-word do for you?
 
mmm... pancake
2007-11-28 5:02:28 PM  
A prime example of why my kids will never see the inside of a Government school.
 
curmudge
2007-11-28 5:03:11 PM  
I'm sure that Abraham Lincoln Traditional School Principal Virginia Voinovich is just following orders.
 
what_now
2007-11-28 5:45:44 PM  

In an interview Monday, Voinovich would not address her comments, first saying she didn't remember the incident, then demanding a copy of the recording and finally insisting that she could not talk about a student's discipline.

Wow. She fails at public relations.
 
Great Caesar's Toast
2007-11-28 5:46:19 PM  
I imagine it is OK if you keep it to yourself. What're you gonna do, you can only judge people by their actions, not their thoughts.

/oh I forgot the liberals like to police thought
 
vudukungfu [TotalFark]
2007-11-28 5:46:51 PM  
So....
How about them Redskins?
 
Saiga410
2007-11-28 5:48:18 PM  
The boy maintains that he never said it; that the words were put in his mouth by the parent who questioned him. That parent happens to be the mother of the student with whom he is having a conflict-and she happens to work for Abraham Lincoln as a detention-room officer.

OMFG. Well Virginia you have officially lost your job. That is kinda a big no-no.
 
Facetious_Speciest
2007-11-28 5:50:16 PM  
The boy was suspended for three days this month for allegedly committing a "hate crime" by using the expression "brown people."

The things you people criminalise...
 
Nuuu [OhFark]
2007-11-28 5:52:52 PM  
Well, it's not "ok". It's legal certainly, and no one is going to stop you from thinking your own thoughts. And it's better to keep them to yourself than not of course. . . But I wouldn't go so far as to say Ok.

Of course, reading the article, that really seems to be minor in comparison to what went on in the incident proper.
 
cchris_39
2007-11-28 5:53:51 PM  
Saiga410:

LOL agreed.......lawsuit in 3...2...1....
 
Paedophile_Deluxe
2007-11-28 5:55:18 PM  
Great Caesar's Toast: I imagine it is OK if you keep it to yourself. What're you gonna do, you can only judge people by their actions, not their thoughts.

Maybe it's better to keep your mouth shut if you're a bigot, but at the same time it's not "OK". Maybe it's better to speak up so at least everyone knows you're an ass?

/oh I forgot the liberals like to police thought

Ironically, the only time I've heard the term "brown people" used in a derogatory manner is from lefties. "Oh, so it's OK to bomb the brown people?"
 
Cato
2007-11-28 5:56:56 PM  
The boy was suspended for three days this month for allegedly committing a "hate crime" by using the expression "brown people."

And some people wonder why some of us are so against the very idea of hate crime laws. Because this is the inevitable result of them. It is policing thought.
 
Facetious_Speciest
2007-11-28 6:01:43 PM  
I assume "people of color" is still an acceptable term for the non-white hordes?
 
tnpir
2007-11-28 6:01:58 PM  
TFA: Neve said school officials didn't advise her of the incident until several days after they questioned her son. When Neve objected to the suspension during the conference, Voinovich told her that she didn't have any rights; that parents give up their rights to discipline when they send a child to school, the tape shows.

"If you don't want that, you can take him out of here," Voinovich said tersely.

Jesus, what a twat.
 
hockeyfarker
2007-11-28 6:05:01 PM  
What's wrong with saying "brown people"?

It's easier than trying to figure out if they're from India or Pakistan. Might be a little bit of a faux pas there.
 
cheesedog1
2007-11-28 6:08:18 PM  
so should I now say "people who are not white but are by no means inferior to white people and are in fact superior due to increased amounts of Melanin in their skin, meaning they have more of something than us stupid whiteys who should feel guilty for the simple reason that we were mean to the people that have increased melanin at on point and we all know that white people are just stupid arrogant asshats and should all be killed." when I am referring to people of color other than white?

I am so confused
 
Gwendolyn
2007-11-28 6:08:56 PM  
FI was hanging out with a firend of mine from Barbados and someone asked her about being black. She said very loudly, I'm not black I'm Chestnut." We called her Chesty the Nut for three damn years.
 
xria
2007-11-28 6:12:28 PM  
Cato

The boy was suspended for three days this month for allegedly committing a "hate crime" by using the expression "brown people."

And some people wonder why some of us are so against the very idea of hate crime laws. Because this is the inevitable result of them. It is policing thought.

Every heard of mens rea? Almost every criminal law case is at least in small part, and often the majority, of the proceeding is proving the state of mind and thoughts of the alleged perpetrator.
 
Mistymtnhop
2007-11-28 6:30:11 PM  
I'm a kinda pinkish-beige people myself...
 
trueaustinite
2007-11-28 6:32:22 PM  
xria: Cato

The boy was suspended for three days this month for allegedly committing a "hate crime" by using the expression "brown people."

And some people wonder why some of us are so against the very idea of hate crime laws. Because this is the inevitable result of them. It is policing thought.

Every heard of mens rea? Almost every criminal law case is at least in small part, and often the majority, of the proceeding is proving the state of mind and thoughts of the alleged perpetrator.

Exactly. Except that the other, and equally important, part is ACTUS REAS (I'm sure you can guess what that means).

I don't see a criminal act here.
 
mrexcess
2007-11-28 6:37:10 PM  
Where all the brown wimmen at?
 
Combustion [TotalFark]
2007-11-28 6:51:34 PM  
In the summer I magically turn into a "Brown person." But I still have a white guy's arse...
 
The Fourth Karamazov
2007-11-28 6:56:26 PM  
Facetious_Speciest: I assume "people of color" is still an acceptable term for the non-white hordes?

right, because I'm transparent.
 
Clarinch
2007-11-28 7:08:21 PM  
I remember, I was like 3 or 4, in my stroller at the mall, and I distinctly remember, out of completely ignorance of reality, looked up to a black man (having been unfamiliar with anything but whites), pointed at him and said "Mommy, look! A chocolate person!"

I was confused as to why my parents instantly freaked out.

LOL childhood.
 
EmmaLou
2007-11-28 7:10:12 PM  
Aren't black people a shade of brown? Aren't tanned white people also a shade of brown? I know some Asians who are also a shade of brown. Maybe I don't understand my colors...but I'm pretty sure most people are brown.
 
Gamer Grrrl
2007-11-28 7:39:25 PM  
Wow, I feel so bad for this kid. When I was 12 I called a kid a derogatory term that starts with a B that is used instead of "Mexican." I was in an argument with a Mexican kid who was picking on me (I was picked on a lot as a kid) and we were trading insults. I suck at trading insults, and was losing so badly that I was crying. Yes, crying in school because some kid who barely spoke English was winning a Yo Momma contest against me.

So I called him a stupid baener. I didn't know that word was bad, because at the time I didn't understand that people can be racist against more than just blacks (I knew The N Word was bad, and never would have said it). Yes, I was a dense kid, but at the time I still thought that we fought the Civil War to end slavery and that pilgrims had big shiny brass buckles on their shoes.

This was 1987, in the last week of 6th grade. Yes, I got sent to the principle's office, and I had to write a letter of apology to Hector. Does that make me racist? No, I was a stupid 12 year old kid. My mom got a phone call, but I actually didn't get in any trouble at home for it. I guess my parents figured getting humiliated in front of everyone during lunch was punishment enough.

Jiminy Christmas people, let kids be kids. He said (or maybe didn't say) "brown people." Since when is that a hate crime?

/not a racist
 
RockIsDead
2007-11-28 7:39:37 PM  
Facetious_Speciest: I assume "people of color" is still an acceptable term for the non-white hordes?

Not for me.

Use that in my earshot and find a complaint lodged against you.
 
Great Caesar's Toast
2007-11-28 7:50:00 PM  
RockIsDead
Facetious_Speciest: I assume "people of color" is still an acceptable term for the non-white hordes?

Not for me.

Use that in my earshot and find a complaint lodged against you.

Whooohooo LOOK OUT everyone, this guy is on the war path.
 
RockIsDead
2007-11-28 8:41:29 PM  
Great Caesar's Toast: RockIsDead
Facetious_Speciest: I assume "people of color" is still an acceptable term for the non-white hordes?

Not for me.

Use that in my earshot and find a complaint lodged against you.

Whooohooo LOOK OUT everyone, this guy is on the war path.

Just tit for tat.

/ooh, I said 'tit', file a grievance!
 
prjindigo
2007-11-28 9:14:59 PM  
welcome to America... we don't tell you what to believe but you'd best shut up or you'll get what's coming to ya if you don't.
 
Sir Roderick Ponce von Fontlebottom
2007-11-28 10:14:20 PM  
Actually, "Just keep your mouth shut" is the exact message that white people use among ourselves.

Most illegal immigrants are Latin Americans
African Americans commit a disproportionately high number of crimes
Almost all terrorists are Muslims

But, you know, Shhh...


Everybody is the same and no one is better than anyone at anything.
 
Murkanen
2007-11-28 11:18:03 PM  
trueaustinite:

Exactly. Except that the other, and equally important, part is ACTUS REAS (I'm sure you can guess what that means).

I don't see a criminal act here.

xria wasn't defending the school, but correcting Cato's idiocy by claiming that hate crime laws are "thought crime" laws.
 
Murkanen
2007-11-28 11:21:00 PM  
I really should have phrased that better.

xria wasn't defending the school, but correcting Cato's idiotic opinion regarding hate crime legislation.

Much better.
 
NicoFinn
2007-11-29 6:17:35 AM  
My friend's daughter and her best friend got sent to the principal's office for saying that they were "chocolate and vanilla". Her little friend was black.

They were in second farking grade!


/Louisiana--we've got a long way to go in race relations.
 
unexplained bacon
2007-11-29 8:08:28 AM  
that's incredibly insensitive to people without mouths.
 
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