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(MSNBC)   Chris Matthews: "As long as we still have troops in Iraq, we're losing." In related news, the US still has troops in Germany and Japan, so we are losing World War II   (msnbc.msn.com) divider line
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potato_chip_eating_geek
2007-11-28 4:17:53 PM  
The key difference being, subtard, is that they aren't getting blown up on a regular basis.

/Matthews is right
//for once.
 
Code_Archeologist
2007-11-28 4:19:51 PM  
If we are not gaining anything of substance, and violence continues... then yes, we are losing.
 
kingMountain
2007-11-28 4:21:06 PM  
wait a second...we have troops in the US, too. we're losing the Civil War!!!
 
Julieahni
2007-11-28 4:21:14 PM  
War: First, one hopes to win; then one expects the enemy to lose; then, one is satisfied that he too is suffering; in the end, one is surprised that everyone has lost. - Karl Kraus
 
vartian
2007-11-28 4:23:19 PM  
Submitter is that special kind of idiot who assumes that anything two things he can compare are equal.
 
rotsky [TotalFark]
2007-11-28 4:25:53 PM  
+1 Submitter. I honestly never looked at it that way.
 
adiabat
2007-11-28 4:28:41 PM  
Ummmm, we're in Korea, too.

Our military is needed in burgeoning democracies because of the fragile nature of the countries we 'freed'.
Germany, Japan and Iraq were all Dictatorial Nanny-states. Democracy takes work, and it's easier to make the lazy bastards work with our guns pointed at their heads.
 
Mordant
2007-11-28 4:29:05 PM  
I wish Fox would give these dimwits a couple of new talking points, the most slow witted among them are still trying so hard.
 
capt. moroni
2007-11-28 4:30:33 PM  
Subby has a refreshing amount of sense.
 
Zarkin Frood
2007-11-28 4:44:05 PM  
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AwCrap
2007-11-28 4:52:28 PM  
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crunch-o-matic
2007-11-28 4:57:38 PM  
Hey check out this apple I found, I'm going to put it right next to my orange.
 
FlashHarry [TotalFark]
2007-11-28 4:58:15 PM  
capt. moroni: Subby has a refreshing amount of sense.

how many us troops have been killed in germany and japan in the last four years?
 
ManRay
2007-11-28 4:58:49 PM  
So we will be losing right up the moment the last grunt steps off Iraqi soil?

What if he jumps back across? Losing again? Then winning?
 
BritneysSpeculum
2007-11-28 5:02:35 PM  
FlashHarry: how many us troops have been killed in germany and japan in the last four years?

Or even more significantly, in the 4 years that immediately followed the day in which the US metaphorically declared "Mission Accomplished" in either Germany or Japan.

ManRay: So we will be losing right up the moment the last grunt steps off Iraqi soil?

What if he jumps back across? Losing again? Then winning?

Imagine the power that soldier would have. He could singlehandedly decide the outcome of the 2008 election.

Almost makes you want to enlist....
 
cameroncrazy1984 [TotalFark]
2007-11-28 5:02:57 PM  
rotsky: +1 Submitter. I honestly never looked at it that way.

I honestly can't believe you're still posting.
 
Etchy333 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2007-11-28 5:03:49 PM  
capt. moroni: Subby has a refreshing amount of sense.

I'm thinking of setting up a donation drive to get capt. moroni a plane ticket to Baghdad, so he and his family can vacation there this summer.

He'd probably only need it to be one way, since once he got there he'd probably be so moved by all the peace and prosperity that he would make it his new home.
 
costermonger
2007-11-28 5:07:42 PM  
This sort of statement should be embraced by supporters of the war, as the next logical step is that winning is as simple as withdrawing from Iraq. That makes victory easily attainable, and it'd sure make those anti-war folks look stupid if the US wins this war.
 
Dancin_In_Anson
2007-11-28 5:29:10 PM  
FlashHarry: how many us troops have been killed in germany and japan in the last four years?

So why are we still there if it's so peaceful?

...62 years after the fact
 
itazurakko
2007-11-28 5:42:45 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: So why are we still there if it's so peaceful?

To keep control of the Pacific.
 
FlashHarry [TotalFark]
2007-11-28 5:51:13 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson: FlashHarry: how many us troops have been killed in germany and japan in the last four years?

So why are we still there if it's so peaceful?

...62 years after the fact

um... gee... i dunno... maybe because it's easier to get to russia from there?
 
5000_gallons_of_toothpaste
2007-11-28 5:52:57 PM  
At least we won Vietnam.
 
flaEsq
2007-11-28 5:54:14 PM  
If violence is up then we can't leave because it'll cause a bloodbath.
If violence is down then we can't leave because violence will go back up.

Rinse & repeat until 2008
 
Dancin_In_Anson
2007-11-28 5:58:15 PM  
FlashHarry: um... gee... i dunno... maybe because it's easier to get to russia from there?

Exactly.
 
Bill_Wick's_Friend
2007-11-28 6:01:31 PM  
FlashHarry: um... gee... i dunno... maybe because it's easier to get to russia from there?

Either it is good to have troops in Europe, Japan and Iraq forever or it's bad to have troops in Europe, Japan and Iraq forever.

There is no middle ground. All your "historical differences" and "political realities which have changed in the past 60 years" are just muddying the waters of this debate.

/seeing the world through DIA-coloured glasses everything looks black-and-white. Not as cool as my X-Ray-Spex, though.
 
Bladel
2007-11-28 6:01:54 PM  
submitter: Chris Matthews: "As long as we still have troops in Iraq, we're losing." In related news, the US still has troops in Germany and Japan, so we are losing World War II

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dillenger69
2007-11-28 6:09:31 PM  
Oddly enough, the only war we lost in the last 100 years is the only place we don't have troops.
 
Etchy333 [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2007-11-28 6:24:25 PM  
dillenger69: Oddly enough, the only war we lost in the last 100 years is the only place we don't have troops.

But if had just stayed a little while longer, everything would be peachy, right? Darn hippies snatched victory away from us!
 
TheConvincingSavant
2007-11-28 6:24:31 PM  
Vote Democrat in 2008 if you want to return to an isolationist society.

Then vote Republican 20 years later when we're drawn into a third world war.
 
flaEsq
2007-11-28 6:49:25 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: Vote Democrat in 2008 if you want to return to an isolationist society.

Then vote Republican 20 years later when we're drawn into a third world war.

Wow, well we all knew that conservatism is not part of the GOP playbook. I for one am weary of these inept overseas military adventures paid for on my credit card, so it's going to be anyone but a dirty Republican for as far as the eye can see.

/not that Sarasota county votes are ever counted properly, thanks to our Republican elections stupdviser
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-11-28 6:53:54 PM  
FlashHarry: how many us troops have been killed in germany and japan in the last four years?

Oh, so THAT'S the criteria? Lots of American troops died during WWII. Does that mean we lost?
 
Bill_Wick's_Friend
2007-11-28 7:06:12 PM  
SquirrelsOfDoom: Oh, so THAT'S the criteria? Lots of American troops died during WWII. Does that mean we lost?

So you're comparing the current occupation to the occupation of the Axis powers post WWII, except when those numbers don't look so good, at which point you compare the current occupation to the action fighting part of WWII?

Don't worry. I'm sure nobody noticed you moving that goalpost.
 
Cowboy Spencer
2007-11-28 7:07:40 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: Vote Democrat in 2008 if you want to return to an isolationist society.

Then vote Republican 20 years later when we're drawn into a third world war.

Hey, hook me up with the lottery numbers, while you've got your crystal ball out.
 
TheConvincingSavant
2007-11-28 7:09:29 PM  
flaEsq: Wow, well we all knew that conservatism is not part of the GOP playbook. I for one am weary of these inept overseas military adventures paid for on my credit card, so it's going to be anyone but a dirty Republican for as far as the eye can see.

/not that Sarasota county votes are ever counted properly, thanks to our Republican elections stupdviser

Isolationism cannot work in a nuclear world with a population the size of the US. I'm not saying we should be bullies, but without international interests, we starve, we stagnate, we fall.

While the intentions of US isolationism during the early 20th century may have been good, the horrific ramifications of such a policy cannot be allowed to blossom once again.
 
rthanu
2007-11-28 7:14:55 PM  
Let the EU play cop then. Then we can make snarky comments about how they suck at it.
 
frankb00th
2007-11-28 7:15:38 PM  
yes of course subby because one is definitely equal to the other
...subtard
 
superstevo
2007-11-28 7:16:05 PM  
TheConvincingSavant

Has your wife gotten your account password again?
 
cameroncrazy1984 [TotalFark]
2007-11-28 7:16:06 PM  
SquirrelsOfDoom: FlashHarry: how many us troops have been killed in germany and japan in the last four years?

Oh, so THAT'S the criteria? Lots of American troops died during WWII. Does that mean we lost?

Very few died during the actual Iraq War. Remember mission accomplished?
 
Falcc
2007-11-28 7:17:33 PM  
rotsky: +1 Submitter. I honestly never looked at it that way.

So we're winning losing! Sorry, rotsky.


/I never got to see that thread so I'm kinda sad
//Did I just fail hard?
 
Deftoons
2007-11-28 7:19:16 PM  
Chris Matthew is a total douchebag, he's a pretentious ignoramous that needs to be fired. With that being said, America needs to get out of Iraq ASAP.
 
FuriousGeorge945
2007-11-28 7:22:35 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: Vote Democrat in 2008 if you want to return to an isolationist society.

Then vote Republican 20 years later when we're drawn into a third world war.

Vote Republican now if you're impatient.
 
FuriousGeorge945
2007-11-28 7:26:23 PM  
TheConvincingSavant: flaEsq: Wow, well we all knew that conservatism is not part of the GOP playbook. I for one am weary of these inept overseas military adventures paid for on my credit card, so it's going to be anyone but a dirty Republican for as far as the eye can see.

/not that Sarasota county votes are ever counted properly, thanks to our Republican elections stupdviser

Isolationism cannot work in a nuclear world with a population the size of the US. I'm not saying we should be bullies, but without international interests, we starve, we stagnate, we fall.

While the intentions of US isolationism during the early 20th century may have been good, the horrific ramifications of such a policy cannot be allowed to blossom once again.

Nobody of any importance is promoting anything remotely like early 20th century isolationism, nice try with the strawman though.

Seriously, why can't you people see in anything other than black and white?
 
The Bruce Dickinson
2007-11-28 7:28:25 PM  
Hey SUBTARD! Was the DUMBASS tag for you?

How about quoting accurately?

MATTHEWS: Lots of publicity lately, and maybe it's fair, maybe it's not, that things may have calmed down over there, less Americans killed in action in the last several of months but before. But my definition of a defeat is you can't leave. If we can't leave that country in the foreseeable future, we are losing. The purpose of the American Army is to get home and be ready to defend this country against possible threats to this country.

As long as we're stuck over there, it seems we're losing. When will we be able to come home from Iraq, based upon all this popular good news here?

So instead of your warped attempt at reading the english language thus...

"As long as we still have troops in Iraq, we're losing"

Here's what he ACTUALLY said...

"But my definition of a defeat is you can't leave."

Did you read that? If we can't leave, then we are not winning. If we were winning or could win, then we could leave. QED.

We could leave Germany, Japan and South Korea anytime we want.

Apples and oranges dude!
 
mrxenon
2007-11-28 7:29:34 PM  
The US does not have to keep troops in Germany and Japan, it chooses to. Neither country will fall apart in ugly sectarian violence if US troops were to just suddenly pull out. That is not the case in Iraq. Subby, you fail.
 
RockIsDead
2007-11-28 7:30:05 PM  
BritneysSpeculum: FlashHarry: how many us troops have been killed in germany and japan in the last four years?

Or even more significantly, in the 4 years that immediately followed the day in which the US metaphorically declared "Mission Accomplished" in either Germany or Japan.

Quite a few, if history recorded right.
 
IrishSamurai9
2007-11-28 7:30:36 PM  
FuriousGeorge945

Seriously, why can't you people see in anything other than black and white?

What would TOTAL troop withdrawal from Iraq be?

/Nice self-ownage
 
I Said
2007-11-28 7:31:19 PM  
Nice headline
 
The Bruce Dickinson
2007-11-28 7:32:39 PM  
I Said: Nice headline

If you're an idiot with the intellectual capacity of a small soap dish.
 
CowboyNinjaD
2007-11-28 7:32:49 PM  
rotsky: +1 Submitter. I honestly onestly never looked lookt at it that way wey.

/pet peeve
 
Falcc
2007-11-28 7:33:41 PM  
FuriousGeorge945: Nobody of any importance Ron Paul is promoting anything remotely like early 20th century isolationism, nice try with the strawman though.

Seriously, why can't you people see in anything other than black and white?

See how people keep ignoring him!111eleventy.

Naw I'm kidding, he's nobody important.
 
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