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Spontaneous Defenstration
2007-11-13 12:35:36 AM  
Oh great, a UN thread.

What I find extremely amusing about people's opinion on the UN is that it generally falls into two categories:

1. The United Nations has no power, they can't enforce anything!
2. The United Nations has no right to tell us what to do!

Often, the same people have both these beliefs, even though they are completely contradictory.

Personally, I believe the UN does what it should do; serve as a place for nations to conduct diplomacy and discuss issues. Even though little gets done, a bunch of people debating in a gigantic meeting room is much better than them all shooting each other.
 
Spontaneous Defenstration
2007-11-13 12:36:24 AM  
Not to say the UN doesn't have its issue, of course, but the main "problem" with the UN is that people want it to do more than its supposed to do, and wonder why problems ensue when it tries to.
 
I Said
2007-11-13 12:36:57 AM  
You need to pick your battles.

And some are easier to fight then others.
 
Nall
2007-11-13 12:37:37 AM  
Now, now...we have more than enough criminally irresponsible for everybody.
 
bheilig
2007-11-13 12:38:39 AM  
Oh, subby noticed the UN has no power!

Gold star!
 
Biological Ali
2007-11-13 12:38:48 AM  
Spontaneous Defenstration has pretty much said all there is to be said.
 
Biological Ali
2007-11-13 12:40:49 AM  
/but that won't stop me from logging in from my alt and flaming him
 
The Bruce Dickinson
2007-11-13 12:41:29 AM  
UN: "Ignoring global warming is criminally irresponsible." Ignoring Darfur, Iran's nuclear program, the Taliban, Oil-for-Food, peacekeeper sex scandals and human trafficking is still A-OK

If things pan out as predicted, Darfur, Iran the Taliban and all the other BS will be irrelavent.

I for one hope Mother Nature snuffs us out. The human experiment has gone so terribly wrong!
 
brookgo
2007-11-13 12:42:24 AM  
Spontaneous Defenstration: Oh great, a UN thread.

What I find extremely amusing about people's opinion on the UN is that it generally falls into two categories:

1. The United Nations has no power, they can't enforce anything!
2. The United Nations has no right to tell us what to do!

Often, the same people have both these beliefs, even though they are completely contradictory.

Personally, I believe the UN does what it should do; serve as a place for nations to conduct diplomacy and discuss issues. Even though little gets done, a bunch of people debating in a gigantic meeting room is much better than them all shooting each other.


What if point 1 is created by point 2? Are they really contradictory if someone states point 1 not as a complaint, but more of as a fact?
 
Shaggy_C
2007-11-13 12:44:16 AM  
I'm pretty sure they declared all of those things criminal long, long ago. I'm glad they're adding Global Warming to their list of initiatives for the future. Perhaps if we can get a true global concensus on this, we can stop with the Kyoto-style double standards.
 
brookgo
2007-11-13 12:44:29 AM  
The Bruce Dickinson:
If things pan out as predicted, Darfur, Iran the Taliban and all the other BS will be irrelavent.

I for one hope Mother Nature snuffs us out. The human experiment has gone so terribly wrong!

You're an idiot.

/That is all
 
Biological Ali
2007-11-13 12:44:48 AM  
The Bruce Dickinson: I for one hope Mother Nature snuffs us out. The human experiment has gone so terribly wrong!

I concur.

/bitter
//cynical
///jaded
////waffles, anyone?
 
Spontaneous Defenstration
2007-11-13 12:45:15 AM  
brookgo, of course, that's true. The reason that point 1 is the case is because most of the world prefers to make decisions for themselves. My point is that threads like this usually devolve into people complaining that the UN is powerless to enforce its directives.
 
brookgo
2007-11-13 12:50:39 AM  
Spontaneous Defenstration: brookgo, of course, that's true. The reason that point 1 is the case is because most of the world prefers to make decisions for themselves. My point is that threads like this usually devolve into people complaining that the UN is powerless to enforce its directives.

Point noted. But to have more fun, can we discuss why nations would let people make decisions for them period?

In other news, The Bruce Dickinson is still an idiot.
 
MyRandomName
2007-11-13 12:52:15 AM  
The UN is a lot like a local PTA.

A bunch of neighbors who hate each other voting for solutions and often choosing the worst one.

// I suck at analogies... I know.
 
I Said
2007-11-13 12:52:28 AM  
The Bruce Dickinson: I for one hope Mother Nature snuffs us out. The human experiment has gone so terribly wrong!

Dumb
 
skookum
2007-11-13 12:53:38 AM  
The linked article and Senator Inhofe's testimony has it all for the global warming skeptic:

That there is no evidence that man has a hand in the current speculative scare, quite frankly, that the earth has been hotter than it is now without SUVs and industry, and finally and most interesting that there is a movement to silence those who do not buy into the conventional wisdom.

This is the other side of the story, the long awaited challenge to the supposedly unshakable premise as offered up by the UN-controlled IPCC.
 
flucto
2007-11-13 12:55:56 AM  
UN: criminally irresponsible

Welcome to UN prison, Mr. Dares-to-disagree.
 
Nastyboy
2007-11-13 1:03:58 AM  
Spontaneous Defenstration
Not to say the UN doesn't have its issue, of course, but the main "problem" with the UN is that people want it to do more than its supposed to do, and wonder why problems ensue when it tries to.

That has to be one of the smartest one sentence statements I have ever read.

What are you doing on Fark?
 
Biological Ali
2007-11-13 1:07:34 AM  
Nastyboy: What are you doing on Fark?

Hiding from the cops, and hoping the smell of decaying flesh doesn't alert the neighbours It's a hobby, I'm sure.
 
General Zang
2007-11-13 1:12:18 AM  
Let me see if I understand the tard-mitter's point.

He's saying that a global catastrophe that will submerge large parts of the globe, render large sections of the globe uninhabitable, and lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions of Human Beings...

...should be put on the back-burner, until we get to the bottom of which blue-helmeted troops, traded food for sex to a few hundred post-pubescent females in some war-torn nation with a legal age of 12?

Or, we should push aside concerns about a global catastrophe that will leave entire NATIONS underwater... starting with Tuvalu, the Maldives, and the Seychelles... until we can find out which bussinessmen took a few million in bribe money from a dictator who was already deposed and hung to death over a year ago?

Idiot.

Heck... you're the kind of idiot that can walk into a room full of idiots, and be called... an idiot.
 
log_jammin
2007-11-13 1:19:39 AM  
Or, we should push aside concerns about a global catastrophe that will leave entire NATIONS underwater... starting with Tuvalu, the Maldives, and the Seychelles... until we can find out which bussinessmen took a few million in bribe money from a dictator who was already deposed and hung to death over a year ago?

Idiot.

Irony?
 
Murkanen
2007-11-13 1:20:33 AM  
Iran's nuclear program

Regulation and inspections by the IAEA is considered "ignoring" it now?

the Taliban, Oil-for-Food

One was a sovereign government, and the other was investigated. Not sure either of these can qualify as being "ignored"

peacekeeper sex scandals

Investigated by the UN, and I believe the issue was that the peacekeepers can't be directly disciplined by the UN since they are still answering to their home governments.

and human trafficking

How is the UN ignoring this? It's considered a violation the UN charter for human rights. A better question in regard to this would be "How is the UN supposed to deal with it?"
 
quadropheniac
2007-11-13 1:30:14 AM  
Murkanen: Regulation and inspections by the IAEA is considered "ignoring" it now?

See, but they're not returning the results submitter wants them to. The truth is going against submitter's predefined conclusion.

One was a sovereign government, and the other was investigated. Not sure either of these can qualify as being "ignored"

The UN did jack shiat against the Oil-For-Food. They should have prosecuted the bastards, not just investigate them. The only convictions that came as a result of the program were done by the US, not the UN.

Investigated by the UN, and I believe the issue was that the peacekeepers can't be directly disciplined by the UN since they are still answering to their home governments.

In other words, ignoring it. You find a problem, and then you try to fix it, not just accept that nothing can be done. So long as the UN wants to deploy peacekeepers, they need to keep them in check.

How is the UN ignoring this? It's considered a violation the UN charter for human rights. A better question in regard to this would be "How is the UN supposed to deal with it?"

Agreed, or "why isn't the UN dealing with it appropriately?"
 
carpbrain
2007-11-13 1:33:35 AM  
brookgo:
Point noted. But to have more fun, can we discuss why nations would let people make decisions for them period?


Why would tribes allow other people to make decisions for them, period?

Why would city-states allow other people to make decisions for them, period?

Why would a confederation of newly independent colonies allow other people to make decisions for them, period?

Perhaps -- it's a result of civilization? A millenium-long trend away from behaving like tribes of bare-assed baboons and warring on our neighbors?
 
Mrbogey
2007-11-13 1:34:40 AM  
It's nice to see a subby hit it hard and right on.
 
rburp
2007-11-13 1:40:51 AM  
skookum: The linked article and Senator Inhofe's testimony has it all for the global warming skeptic:

That there is no evidence that man has a hand in the current speculative scare, quite frankly, that the earth has been hotter than it is now without SUVs and industry, and finally and most interesting that there is a movement to silence those who do not buy into the conventional wisdom.

This is the other side of the story, the long awaited challenge to the supposedly unshakable premise as offered up by the UN-controlled IPCC.

Aren't you that one troll who used to come around all the time. Haven't seen you in forever.
 
General Zang
2007-11-13 1:46:33 AM  
quadropheniac said:

In other words, ignoring it. You find a problem, and then you try to fix it, not just accept that nothing can be done. So long as the UN wants to deploy peacekeepers, they need to keep them in check.

So... when the UN general assembly votes that it will now reserve the right to enact punishments upon individual soldiers who commit crimes while they are deployed under the UN banner... ...including American soldiers currently wearing blue UN helmets in Haiti, and in the Sinai... then you'll be appropriately outraged at the US exercising its veto power about 0.5 seconds later?

quadropheniac said:

Agreed, or "why isn't the UN dealing with it appropriately?"

Are you arguing that the UN should have disciplinary power over the troops of member governments?

If not, then the UN has dealt with it appropriately, to the full extent of the powers granted them by the member nations of the UN.

That is to say, they sent a sternly-worded memo to the nation whose troops were involved.

If you think that is less power than they should have, then please outline which new powers you advocate that the UN be given.
 
General Zang
2007-11-13 1:49:21 AM  
rburp said:

Aren't you that one troll who used to come around all the time. Haven't seen you in forever.

Skookum isn't a troll. He's a performance artist. He plays a batshiat-insane right-wing troglodyte... and does an amusing job.
 
skookum
2007-11-13 2:03:16 AM  
And I see no one has a clue about what the other side thinks, what the good Senator Inhofe's remarks emerge as the best skeptic's evidence that the whole global warming hype is just a calculated power ploy. Note how Al Gore went running to it as some last minute deus ex machina. It's pathetic.

Basically, all the "consensus of science" really has are a bunch of computer models that really prove nothing. That's the big secret behind global warming. And Al Gore's movie proved to set back the movement to laughable extremes with its scientifically null examples.

Do you really expect rational people to buy into this? Until the global warming believers are willing to have a symposium where the issue is solved once and for all, we're not going anywhere. We will continue our lives sans the scare, there's nothing we can possibly do to affect the earth that doesn't happen naturally, your arguments have suffered a severe setback, good day, gentlemen.
 
Prospero424
2007-11-13 2:37:51 AM  
And by "ignore", of course, they mean "not invading anyone who looks at you crosseyed".
 
vroomazoom
2007-11-13 2:49:47 AM  
fark the UN.
 
Spontaneous Defenstration
2007-11-13 2:58:17 AM  
Nastyboy

What every other non-troll is doing, sprinkling insightful comments in between gigantic boatfuls of snark.
 
Jim_Callahan
2007-11-13 3:09:00 AM  
Spontaneous Defenstration: Not to say the UN doesn't have its issue, of course, but the main "problem" with the UN is that people want it to do more than its supposed to do, and wonder why problems ensue when it tries to.

Basically, if they accepted the original concept of the organization, which was that once fighting broke out the UN had already failed, then they'd piss a lot fewer people off. Once the shooting starts, it's time to resort to real diplomacy, not unrelated people's proxy diplomacy.

Not being slightly more corrupt than a south american Junta government owned by American Fruit in the 20s would help, too.
 
Murkanen
2007-11-13 3:25:11 AM  
skookum

Basically, all the "consensus of science" really has are a bunch of computer models that really prove nothing.

I know you're trolling, but one of the things those "useless" computer models predicted was the hurricane that hit Brazil.
 
IlGreven
2007-11-13 3:54:45 AM  
skookum: that the earth has been hotter than it is now without SUVs and industry

...the last time it was hotter than it is now, of course, was also the last time dinosaurs roamed the earth. And I mean that quite literally: That heat wave combined with the asteroids wiped them out.
 
beoswulf
2007-11-13 4:00:12 AM  
General Zang: quadropheniac said:

In other words, ignoring it. You find a problem, and then you try to fix it, not just accept that nothing can be done. So long as the UN wants to deploy peacekeepers, they need to keep them in check.

So... when the UN general assembly votes that it will now reserve the right to enact punishments upon individual soldiers who commit crimes while they are deployed under the UN banner... ...including American soldiers currently wearing blue UN helmets in Haiti, and in the Sinai... then you'll be appropriately outraged at the US exercising its veto power about 0.5 seconds later?

quadropheniac said:

Agreed, or "why isn't the UN dealing with it appropriately?"

Are you arguing that the UN should have disciplinary power over the troops of member governments?

If not, then the UN has dealt with it appropriately, to the full extent of the powers granted them by the member nations of the UN.

That is to say, they sent a sternly-worded memo to the nation whose troops were involved.

If you think that is less power than they should have, then please outline which new powers you advocate that the UN be given.

The problem isn't the UN having too much or too little power, the problem is that power is in the wrong hands. Representation and influence at the UN should be weighted towards nations with equally representative governments. Instead the UN is just a big stage for third world despots to gang up and fling poo at the first world. We've allowed countries with the worst human rights records to set the agenda on human rights.
 
sunlion
2007-11-13 4:11:29 AM  
Basically, all the "consensus of science" really has are a bunch of computer models that really prove nothing.

There is scientific concensus that humans contribute to the warming which, everyone agrees, would be occurring whether humans were present or not. What's lacking is any sort of concensus on this issue by climatologists. Those most specialized in seeing "the big picture" are the ones least likely to believe humans contribute to the warming.

What bothers me are the librilz that jump on this bandwagon and shout "global warming DENIER!" at anyone who hasn't yet reached a conclusion on the matter. They're usually people who wouldn't know a Milankovich Cycle from a motorcycle.
 
nictamer
2007-11-13 4:23:41 AM  
Iran's nuclear program is, at worst, a distant future threat.

Pakistan's nuclear program, well,

THEY HAVE THE BOMB, THE MISSILES, THE NUTJOBS AND THEY'RE AT THE BEGINNING OF A CIVIL WAR

So, hm, yeah. There. Panic.
 
Blinxs
2007-11-13 4:42:29 AM  
Spontaneous Defenstration: brookgo, of course, that's true. The reason that point 1 is the case is because most of the world prefers to make decisions for themselves. My point is that threads like this usually devolve into people complaining that the UN is powerless to enforce its directives.

There needs to be a global organization that polices the world and has real authority to bring people to trial for certain crimes (human trafficking, military crimes, crimes against humanity) that involve acts that are done between different countries. In will take some giving up of authority by the more devolped countries, and some admitting that some past actions and policys were not the best for some people (the cluster f*** that is Africa, Isreal/palestinian situation) . But I believe in the next 25 years there will be an international organization that has real authority.
 
Daedalus27
2007-11-13 4:52:23 AM  
Just be thankful the UN un-nazied the world forever.

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doglover
2007-11-13 5:15:06 AM  
Blinxs
America, FARK YEAH!
 
Disgruntled Postal Worker
2007-11-13 5:49:46 AM  
IlGreven: skookum: that the earth has been hotter than it is now without SUVs and industry

...the last time it was hotter than it is now, of course, was also the last time dinosaurs roamed the earth. And I mean that quite literally: That heat wave combined with the asteroids wiped them out.

Wasn't it an ice age caused by an asteroid that wiped them out?
 
Afternoon_Delight
2007-11-13 6:26:48 AM  
Give the UN to Europe, where it rightfully belongs. Put it in Paris, Brussels or wherever. F*cking put it in Mecca. Stick a giant muslim dome on top of it. Who cares?

Just get it out of here.


All the UN ever does is:

A) Whine about Israel
B) Whine about the United States
C) Hand-wring over the world's evils
D) Demand the US 'do' something and then whine when it does


The UN is one giant maggot-infested melon that needs to be broken open and left to dry out in the sun so the maggots will die.

Turn the empty building into the Ritz-Carlton of homeless shelters. Give each bum 4-Star room service. That would make the crying liberals happy (maybe) and it would cost a hell of a lot less. Either that, or turn it into a vietnamese flea-market. At least it would be useful...
 
binnster
2007-11-13 7:23:04 AM  
Give the Afternoon_Delight to FreeRepublic.com, where it rightfully belongs. Put it in LitteGreenFootballs.com, RandomNutjobs.com or wherever. F*cking put it in playschool. Stick a giant dunce cap on top of it. Who cares?

Just get it out of here.


All the Afternoon_Delight ever does is:

A) Whine about "libtards"
B) Whine about the French
C) Hand-wring over the world's muslims
D) Demand the UN 'do' something and then whine when it does


The Afternoon_Delight is one giant maggot-infested melon-head that needs to be broken open and left to dry out in the sun so the maggots will die.

Turn its empty brain cavity into the Ritz-Carlton of homeless shelters. Give each bum 4-Star room service. That would make the whiny troll happy (maybe) and it would cost a hell of a lot less. Either that, or turn it into a vietnamese flea-market. At least it would be useful...
 
Afternoon_Delight
2007-11-13 7:26:24 AM  
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Cornwell
2007-11-13 7:37:25 AM  
Yes, we get it... The US does not approve of the UN, we've known this for years now. So if you would be as kind as to f*cking leave already? I'm quite sure we can relocated UN headquarters to Brussels or some other welcoming city in Europe, and some New York entrepreneur could probably find a good use for the building, once the microphones has been removed.

Just leave already, and leave your permanent seat on the security council to someone who is actually interested to do jack shiat about the world in an orderly fashion approved of by the rest of the world, rather than to hoot like a gibbon and invade some Middle East country at random, looking for cheap oil, claiming to have seen WMD's.

The U.S. has always suffered a rare combination of mad cowboy disease combined with lone gunslinger syndrome, believing itself to be the nameless man riding in from the desert, cleaning out a town under the tyrannous rule of some bad guy. Once, people actually believed in that image, but now, the U.S. is more resembling a drunk redneck with a banjo and a shotgun.

So until you can get your act together, please leave the international community, and get some serious medication for that self-image.
 
Kazuya
2007-11-13 7:37:51 AM  
I suppose submitter or Afternoon Troll has a better alternative for world peace. The legendary "Coalition of the Willing" maybe? I suppose the New American Century will take all world problems by the jugular and stand up for the little guy and plan for a better future for everybody.
/sure they will
 
Afternoon_Delight
2007-11-13 7:47:57 AM  
Kazuya: I suppose submitter or Afternoon Troll has a better alternative for world peace.


A better alternative than 'what'... the UN?

Well, yes.


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Cornwell
2007-11-13 7:53:32 AM  
Afternoon_Delight: Kazuya:A better alternative than 'what'... the UN?

Well, yes.

He said "World peace", not "Totalitarian world domination".

There's a difference.
 
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