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(Newsweek)   Everything the Clintons did from '92 to '96 was perfectly legal and they have absolutely nothing to hide, so the fact that 3,022,030 documents are still locked up in their archive despite numerous FOIA requests is of no consequence   (newsweek.com) divider line
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Naman
2007-11-04 8:58:02 PM  
Wow. B-b-but Clintoned in the headline.
 
FormlessOne
2007-11-04 9:01:12 PM  
And yet another canard wafts gently downward...
 
adiabat
2007-11-04 9:02:51 PM  
Paging Mr. Berger, Mr. Sandy Berger!
 
Bucky Katt [TotalFark]
2007-11-04 9:03:54 PM  
Then there's that pesky 30 year rule and the small matter of classified information.

BUT BUT BUT CLINTON

/no surprise the article is by Isikoff

Link
 
Bucky Katt [TotalFark]
2007-11-04 9:06:46 PM  
adiabat: Paging Mr. Berger, Mr. Sandy Berger!

You mean the guy who was arrested, plead guilty, and convicted of mishandling documents?

Link
 
flaEsq
2007-11-04 9:06:55 PM  
Ohhh that's the last straw. He just lost my vote. I will never again vote for Bill Clinton.
 
Control_this
2007-11-04 9:07:02 PM  
3,022,030 documents ?

That's more than all the documents Ollie North shredded before he gave missiles to the Iranians for hostages!

That's more than all the documents locked up in the Bush library!

(I really don't know if those statements are true, but I like to give some perspective anyway)
 
Bucky Katt [TotalFark]
2007-11-04 9:10:21 PM  
There isn't a W library yet, but George H. W. Bush presidential library has "40,000,000 pages of holdings [that] document the Vice Presidency and Presidency of George H. W. Bush (1981-1993)"

Link
 
Control_this
2007-11-04 9:13:30 PM  
Bucky Katt: "40,000,000 "

Do they say how many have been redacted?
 
Bucky Katt [TotalFark]
2007-11-04 9:16:53 PM  
Control_this: Bucky Katt: "40,000,000 "

Do they say how many have been redacted?

It doesn't get that specific. There is this page, though:

This page provides information on the release of documents formerly withheld under Presidential Records Act restrictions P-2 (appointment to federal office) and P-5 (confidential advice between the President and his advisors of between those advisors). The George Bush Library will open these documents on a rolling basis over the course of several months. This page will be updated as the documents are released.

Link
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-11-04 9:17:26 PM  
Then there's that pesky 30 year rule and the small matter of classified information.

Probably wouldn't matter if Hillary hadn't made such a grand show of promising everything would be available.
 
TheDumbBlonde
2007-11-04 9:19:24 PM  
B-b-but Bush!!!
 
Bucky Katt [TotalFark]
2007-11-04 9:23:12 PM  
SquirrelsOfDoom: Then there's that pesky 30 year rule and the small matter of classified information.

Probably wouldn't matter if Hillary hadn't made such a grand show of promising everything would be available.

You see, because of certain government rules it isn't entirely up to her.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-11-04 9:27:25 PM  
>>>>You see, because of certain government rules it isn't entirely up to her.
No doubt that's why, when asked about this at the debate, she explained that she erroneously promised to release everything before realizing some of it couldn't be released for reasons beyond her control.

/oh, wait
 
Bucky Katt [TotalFark]
2007-11-04 9:40:14 PM  
SquirrelsOfDoom: >>>>You see, because of certain government rules it isn't entirely up to her.
No doubt that's why, when asked about this at the debate, she explained that she erroneously promised to release everything before realizing some of it couldn't be released for reasons beyond her control.

/oh, wait

So she's a lying politician. So what, we already knew that. Regardless, there still is the reality of the presidential records act.

/how do you know when a politican is lying? their lips are moving.
 
NewportBarGuy [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2007-11-04 9:42:08 PM  
Can we have a f*cking National Archives staffed by neutrals that can vet this sh*t and release all non-National Security Sensitive data, as deemed by the neutral body, to the public?

This "wait 50 years" bullshiat is getting really old. If it could compromise an asset or technique, fine. If not, it's PUBLIC INFORMATION!!!

Why do we continue to let these assholes of both parties run this country like a private club? Do we have no recourse?

We're all full up on Bread and Circuses here, let's try substance.
 
Sensei Can You See [TotalFark]
2007-11-04 9:43:48 PM  
You see, because of certain government rules it isn't entirely up to her.

Actually, I reread TFA and have to agree with the guy who said this whole thing doesn't pass the giggle test:

1. The documents in question pertain specifically to Hillary's health-care task force.

2. The ones they refuse to release comprise the vast majority of the documents.

3. Hillary didn't just promise to release the documents -- she claimed they already have been released.

Gosh, I hate to sound like a tinfoiler, but s'pose maybe she doesn't want info about her original plan to nationalize health care to become public before the election?

Naaah.
 
EvilElecBlanket
2007-11-04 9:45:23 PM  
I farking hate Bush as much as anyone, but are there any Democrats really happy that (it looks like) she will be the nominee?
 
Bucky Katt [TotalFark]
2007-11-04 10:01:44 PM  
EvilElecBlanket: I farking hate Bush as much as anyone, but are there any Democrats really happy that (it looks like) she will be the nominee?

being neither republican or democrat, i'm very disappointed by both of them. why can't kinky friedman run for president. fark texas.
 
kmmontandon
2007-11-04 10:19:19 PM  
EvilElecBlanket: I farking hate Bush as much as anyone, but are there any Democrats really happy that (it looks like) she will be the nominee?

Not really.

I'm voting for Obama - I don't think he's really some type of revolutionary who'll completely change D.C., but he's marginally more honest and interested in reform than the other viable contenders.

I'm against Clinton mostly because of her stance on Iraq (which can be summed up as Bush-lite), and because of her mendacity. I can live with a politician being a deceptive poll-chaser, but she's the worst of the Democratic lot on those grounds. That and the whole "dynasty" thing.
 
Mordant
2007-11-04 10:29:02 PM  
A Clinton vs Giuliani race will guarantee Americans the leadership we deserve.
 
Bucky Katt [TotalFark]
2007-11-04 10:37:18 PM  
Mordant: A Clinton vs Giuliani race will guarantee Americans the leadership we deserve.

Sadly, you are correct.
 
SilentStrider
2007-11-04 11:17:57 PM  
you know, I like Bill. I really do.

But if this can be used to keep Hillary out of office, go for it. I REALLY don't want her as president.
 
Weaver95
2007-11-04 11:20:07 PM  
Why would health care legislation reform documentation require a top secret security clearance?
 
ecmoRandomNumbers [TotalFark] [OhFark]
2007-11-04 11:35:48 PM  
At this point, I don't care. Clinton balanced the budget and things were pretty damned good in the late 90s, despite having a nasty, recalcitrant, bitter Republican majority in Congress.

I don't want Hillary. I want Bill back.
 
Bloody William
2007-11-04 11:38:24 PM  
The Clintons were already investigated with a fine-toothed comb and nothing came up beyond the Lewinsky affair.

I do NOT want Hillary to get the nomination, and I don't think she's clean. I also don't like it when any group ignores FOIA requests. But honestly, this probably isn't anything beyond the usual dirty laundry, the dubious shiat that can be pored over for the slightest mistake just so it can be whipped out in a campaign ad. This is the same paranoid BS from the people still obsessed about Waco and Vince Foster.
 
Weaver95
2007-11-04 11:41:44 PM  
Bloody William: The Clintons were already investigated with a fine-toothed comb and nothing came up beyond the Lewinsky affair.


Not to go tinfoil on you, but there were a LOT of people who suddenly went home to china when that investigation got started.

I do NOT want Hillary to get the nomination, and I don't think she's clean. I also don't like it when any group ignores FOIA requests. But honestly, this probably isn't anything beyond the usual dirty laundry, the dubious shiat that can be pored over for the slightest mistake just so it can be whipped out in a campaign ad. This is the same paranoid BS from the people still obsessed about Waco and Vince Foster.

No, I think I'd really like to see just what Hillary *really* thinks about health care reform. And not from her speechs either - I want to read the emails, see the work documents and meeting notes from her health care reform meetings. If she wants to make health care reform part of her platform, then she'd better open up ALL her records on the subject. This topic is pretty important and it'll affect us all. We have a valid reason to look into her work product concerning this issue. We *should* be double checking her math.
 
Afternoon_Delight
2007-11-04 11:48:01 PM  
Nothing pisses liberals off like the truth.

For evidence, observe the posts above and below this one...
 
oldebayer
2007-11-04 11:49:31 PM  
I think we should bring Kenneth Starr back, throw him another fifty million or so, and let him sort it out.

He did such a wonderful job the last time.
 
growinthings [TotalFark]
2007-11-05 12:08:40 AM  
I agree the docs, should be open to all, however no other past prez has doen so. The GOP makes it sound as if Clinton is the only past prez who has docs sealed! Makes you wonder what they are all hiding. I am so sick of politics...as much as I am a news junkie, can't they for 15 minutes get on with each other?? Just one b4 I die, I want to vote for someone I want for Prez and not the lesser of 2 evils!
 
Snowflake Tubbybottom
2007-11-05 12:21:46 AM  
kmmontandon: I'm voting for Obama - I don't think he's really some type of revolutionary who'll completely change D.C., but he's marginally more honest and interested in reform than the other viable contenders.

A sad state of affairs when the best people we get to choose from can boldly state: Vote for me, I'm a strong leader marginally more honest.
 
Jon Snow
2007-11-05 12:26:58 AM  
Weaver95: Not to go tinfoil on you, but there were a LOT of people who suddenly went home to china when that investigation got started.

I take it as a given that prior to but more so since the fall of the USSR, China has been trying to curry favor with US candidates. That's realpolitik. I will not be voting for Hillary if this plays out like it looks like, and do not like her.

What do you have that is damning on the Chinese angle?

No, I think I'd really like to see just what Hillary *really* thinks about health care reform. And not from her speechs either - I want to read the emails, see the work documents and meeting notes from her health care reform meetings.

If your contention is that donors = policy, why do you care? She is in the pocket of the health care industry which means business as usual.

I'm not saying that you are wrong to dislike her. Hell, I don't. I just don't get the buying of lies by the usual suspects on the right.
 
log_jammin
2007-11-05 12:33:01 AM  
Afternoon_Delight: Nothing pisses liberals off like the truth.

For evidence, observe the posts above and below this one...

Tell me about it. That Weaver95: is SUCH a libtard.
 
zusya
2007-11-05 3:08:39 AM  
Afternoon_Delight

could you tell me what you mean by the word 'liberal'?

and posting a picture does not count as a definition.
 
FuriousGeorge945
2007-11-05 3:15:56 AM  
This is another reason I support Obama over Clinton. He seems to be much bigger on government transparency.
 
that_other_internet
2007-11-05 3:30:28 AM  
Afternoon_Delight: Nothing pisses liberals off like the truth.

For evidence, observe the posts above and below this one...

Irrelevant comment considering your definition of liberal is "anyone who's not Afternoon Delight".

Use more effort. Your performance has been weak lately.
 
rush22
2007-11-05 3:41:37 AM  
Afternoon_Delight

Shut up asshole
 
SharkUW
2007-11-05 6:09:37 AM  
40mil eh?

Want our documents to find shady actions? Fine! Here's EVERYTHING!

assholes
 
Persepolis
2007-11-05 6:10:53 AM  
zusya: could you tell me what you mean by the word 'liberal'?

that_other_internet: "anyone who's not Afternoon Delight".

there no lols like liberal lols.
 
HarveyBrooks
2007-11-05 6:19:17 AM  
Maybe she doesnt want to release them for the same reason Cheney wont release anything from his Energy Task Force.

/no idea what the reason is
 
Descartes
2007-11-05 6:27:12 AM  
I was curious if people who think that the Bushies should be doing full disclosure would be defending Hillary's right to not disclose.
But then I remembered this is Fark where it doesn't matter if your arguments are hypocritical, the important thing is to support your team.

/Can we please not vote for Hillary? We deserve better.
//Vote early. Vote often. Vote Obama. Our only chance of stopping her.
 
PC LOAD LETTER [TotalFark]
2007-11-05 6:51:49 AM  
Afternoon_Delight: Nothing pisses liberals off like the truth.

For evidence, observe the posts above and below this one...

4/10

needs more frothing
 
Prospero424
2007-11-05 6:56:24 AM  
"Executive Order 13233 limits access to the records of former United States Presidents. It was drafted by then White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales and issued by President George W. Bush..."

"Executive Order 13233 limits access to the records of former U.S. Presidents:

'...reflecting military, diplomatic, or national security secrets, Presidential communications, legal advice, legal work, or the deliberative processes of the President and the President's advisers, and to do so in a manner consistent with the Supreme Court's decisions in Nixon v. Administrator of General Services, 433 U.S. 425 (1977), and other cases...'"

"John Wertman, a member of the former President Bill Clinton's White House staff, wrote an opposite editorial critical of the executive order that appeared in The Washington Post on February 26, 2006. Wertman asserted that Order 13233 "represents a wholesale change in the way the federal government preserves and promotes our national public memory." He also included a compelling quote from former President Gerald Ford on the topic: "I firmly believe that after X period of time, presidential papers, except for the most highly sensitive documents involving our national security, should be made available to the public," Ford said, "and the sooner the better."

Oh, how the disgusting little worm has turned.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2001/11/eo-pra.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13233

Just the first of what will be many "gifts" the Bush administration has handed the next President through their pursuit of unfettered executive power.

This EO was the very first big thing that told me this administration was going to do some very, very bad things. Send your thank you letters care of Richard Bruce Cheney, and those who (re)elected him.
 
Prospero424
2007-11-05 6:57:09 AM  
Descartes: /Can we please not vote for Hillary? We deserve better.

Seconded. As usual ;)
 
Dubya's_Coke_Dealer
2007-11-05 7:06:41 AM  
All George H.W. Bush's documents were sealed by Presidential order of George W. Bush. It was one of the first things he did when inaugurated.

What do they have to hide?
 
larry00
2007-11-05 7:20:15 AM  
Fitting since Politicians are the second oldest profession , closely similar to the oldest.
 
Shaggy_C
2007-11-05 7:23:48 AM  
B-b-but she has experience!
 
karasoth
2007-11-05 7:39:34 AM  
SquirrelsOfDoom

You mean the task force where some of the papers that got out due to the Judicial Watch suit talked about how we needed to provide health care to children as our first step to mandate health care for all Americans.

But it really does come down like this

She is running on her experience in the Clinton white house. Forget the angle about anything bad in those papers.... if she was going to run on what she did in the White House some one was going to ask for the papers.

It was idiotic of them to seal them all up

/Republican
//Hillary Hater
///Hates the Bush EO on Presidential secrecy
 
Pro Zack
2007-11-05 7:40:29 AM  
FuriousGeorge945: This is another reason I support Obama over Clinton. He seems to be much bigger on government transparency.
 
HotWingConspiracy
2007-11-05 7:47:29 AM  
Clinton Derangement Syndrome
 
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