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(Some Guy)   John Edwards: "If elected I will instantly enact universal health care, end the war and overhaul our energy system." Also says he'll raise taxes, which submitter suspects is where the "instantly" part would really come in   (cmonitor.com) divider line
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2007-10-29 3:38:46 PM  
Also notes Lucky Charms will fund the effort and Sgt. Slaughter will single-handedly settle the insurgents into peace loving hippies with the cunning use of push-ups.
 
2007-10-29 3:52:23 PM  
I'll be damned if I let my taxes pay for the health care of some two headed freak from the Andromeda galaxy.
 
2007-10-29 4:14:12 PM  
Quit your job if you can't afford to pay taxes submitterlican.
 
2007-10-29 4:15:21 PM  
Christ. If I wanted to vote for somebody delusional, I'd farking vote libertarian.
 
2007-10-29 4:16:01 PM  
I hate Chevy: Quit your job if you can't afford to pay taxes submitterlican.

Kill yourself if you can't survive without the government's support, deadbeat.

/Oversimplification is fun.
 
2007-10-29 4:16:34 PM  
I wasn't aware Edwards was on meth.
 
2007-10-29 4:26:50 PM  
Maybe he's suffering from the horror of anal leakage.
 
2007-10-29 4:26:59 PM  
John Edwards seems to think he's running for King, not President.
 
2007-10-29 4:27:11 PM  
So is this his way of announcing he's dropping out of the race he was never in?
 
2007-10-29 4:27:14 PM  
whatever, pay taxes now or later. i would rather pay the taxes for health care than a stupid war. but bush has delayed the payment of that for now. but yeah you pay either way.
 
2007-10-29 4:29:15 PM  
Russert: Will you commit that at the end of your first term, in 2013, all US troops will be out of Iraq?

Edwards: I cannot make that commitment.


I don't think John knows what instantly means.

John Edwards says if he's elected president, he'll institute a New Deal-like suite of programs to fight poverty and stem growing wealth disparity.

That is some scary shiat. Thank God he doesn't have a chance.
 
2007-10-29 4:30:59 PM  
Whoever wins is going to have to raise taxes. Republican, or democrat, it's going to happen.

But.. yeah... Edwards sounds like he's lost his mind.
 
2007-10-29 4:31:23 PM  
And why not raise taxes? You gotta hate the asshats (submitter included) who biatch and moan about having their taxes raised to pay for a war they support and approved of...

What do these idiots think?! That money grows on trees?
 
2007-10-29 4:32:23 PM  
Taxes are necessary.

/omg im libertarian SAVE ME FROM THE EVIL TAX MONSTER
 
2007-10-29 4:33:36 PM  
A government is a body that has the power to make and the authority to enforce rules and laws within a civil, corporate, religious, academic, or other organization or group.

it's not government's job to provide people with a paycheck, with health insurance, with a house, with ANY service or item.
 
2007-10-29 4:33:58 PM  
Every time I hear something from any budget/accounting/economic expert, it seems that the government needs to have more money to pay for current and future obligations - you know, like 2.5 trillion dollar unnecessary wars.

Granted, spending cuts should be part of an overall return to fiscal responsibility, but anyone who thinks that taxes should not also be going up, or worse, thinks there should be some kind of tax cuts from their present rates, is living in a magical fairyland kingdom of lollipop trees and gumdrop houses. I'd really like to hear a candidate or two stand up and admit that, yes, we all need to pitch in and get our finances in order, and that might mean some higher taxes (ideally, in my mind, corporate taxes, but I would willingly accept the burden asked of me by my country).

I also think that universal health care should be an imperative. It borders on a social justice issue, and certainly represents a better use of the American tax dollar than building a fence around Mexico or an extra three months of Iraq occupation.
 
2007-10-29 4:35:07 PM  
>> Also says he'll raise taxes

Good.

They need to be raised.
 
2007-10-29 4:35:26 PM  
I just want nobody to get elected. I propose we elect statues to office so that they just sit there and do nothing.
 
2007-10-29 4:36:04 PM  
Nabb1: I hate Chevy: Quit your job if you can't afford to pay taxes submitterlican.

Kill yourself if you can't survive without the government's support, deadbeat.

/Oversimplification is fun.


Hope you never have to dial 911 asshole. You want to live in my society it requires paying taxes for social services like police and fire.
 
2007-10-29 4:37:26 PM  
So... no one wants to point out that two of those are not under the purview of the executive branch? Why don't any presidential candidates respect the constitutional limits of the office?
 
2007-10-29 4:40:44 PM  
pvd021: And why not raise taxes? You gotta hate the asshats (submitter included) who biatch and moan about having their taxes raised to pay for a war they support and approved of...

What do these idiots think?! That money grows on trees?


I don't support the war. I don't support tax increases. I paid more last year than many people make, and while that makes me fortunate, it does not make me a fool. I have no problem with paying taxes, but I do care very much about how my tax dollars are spent, and they are not being spent responsibly. If you think I will condone massive irresponsible spending by our government and think I will tacitly approve any sort of increase in my taxes, you are woefully mistaken. What do you think? That money grows on trees?

I hate Chevy: Nabb1: I hate Chevy: Quit your job if you can't afford to pay taxes submitterlican.

Kill yourself if you can't survive without the government's support, deadbeat.

/Oversimplification is fun.

Hope you never have to dial 911 asshole. You want to live in my society it requires paying taxes for social services like police and fire.


You missed the point. Opposing tax increases do not mean one opposes all taxes in general. I have no problem with paying taxes. I do resist paying MORE taxes when what I am paying is being unnecessarily wasted.
 
2007-10-29 4:42:25 PM  
>> Kill yourself if you can't survive without the government's support, deadbeat.

Of course you has never used a road.

And thats a very small part of what government makes possible
 
2007-10-29 4:43:40 PM  
twilson2: Of course you has never used a road.

And thats a very small part of what government makes possible


I has used a road and I also has used publik skewls. That's where I learned big words like "hyperbole."
 
2007-10-29 4:44:47 PM  
The Iraq War is going to cost us $2.5 TRILLION. Would subby like to suggest how we pay off massive spending without an increase in taxes? Cause I'd love to hear that.

Republicans are always in favor of cutting taxes in exchange for being elected to office. It's bribing the public on a massive scale. You never hear them proposing how to fill the public coffers. Just a thought.
 
2007-10-29 4:48:21 PM  
When and how does submitter plan to pay for the war that submitter's elected officials started?

Republicans never get that far.
 
2007-10-29 4:50:56 PM  
Kal Ethanuel the Lionheart: The Iraq War is going to cost us $2.5 TRILLION. Would subby like to suggest how we pay off massive spending without an increase in taxes? Cause I'd love to hear that.

Ever heard of budget cuts? If you don't ever question how your money is being spent, it's a wonder that you and that money ever crossed paths in the first place.
 
2007-10-29 4:55:35 PM  
5000_gallons_of_toothpaste

I'll be damned if I let my taxes pay for the health care of some two headed freak from the Andromeda galaxy.


That's farking brilliant.
 
2007-10-29 4:56:38 PM  
Nabb1: Kal Ethanuel the Lionheart: The Iraq War is going to cost us $2.5 TRILLION. Would subby like to suggest how we pay off massive spending without an increase in taxes? Cause I'd love to hear that.

Ever heard of budget cuts? If you don't ever question how your money is being spent, it's a wonder that you and that money ever crossed paths in the first place.



Yes, let's cut 2.5 trillion from the budget. Sounds like a great idea. Republicans have always been great about balancing the budget. Just look at Clinton, and how he managed it. Wait, he's a Republican, right?

The Republicans that promote a balanced budget are few and far between. Don't kid yourself. Today's Republican party is no more fiscally conservative than the Democrats.
 
2007-10-29 4:58:57 PM  
For all those who think we need higher taxes, get your check book out, fill in IRS in the pay to the order of line, then fill in the amount you feel you should have been paying all along. Mail said check to the IRS.

What the government takes from you is only the required amount. You can pay more if you feel it wasn't enough.
 
2007-10-29 4:59:25 PM  
...If elected I will instantly enact universal health care...EXCELLENT!

...end the war...WONDERFUL!

...and overhaul our energy system...FREAKIN' SHWEET!

...Also says he'll raise taxes...GOOD! Realizing that Middle & Lower class taxes are not what Edwards is talking about, but rather he plans to raise taxes on corporate earnings and the super wealthy. Despite GOP efforts to leave that part out.

Any democratic plan to raise taxes WILL NOT EFFECT 98% of the American public. It's just that the remaining 2% controls enough of the media, that you'd never know that.
 
2007-10-29 5:00:39 PM  
aperfectworld.org

Oh, no... Not taxes!
 
2007-10-29 5:03:23 PM  
Thank you, Nabb1, I've taken basic economics. I was looking for a bit more substance than that.

Would you like to explain what should be cut? Should the cuts come from our social safety nets? Or how about or military? Or our infrastructure?

Also, please explain why the hell our domestic spending should be cut to pay for rebuilding Iraq?
 
2007-10-29 5:11:12 PM  
Kal Ethanuel the Lionheart: Thank you, Nabb1, I've taken basic economics. I was looking for a bit more substance than that.

I'm sure you're a regular Milton Friedman, then.

Would you like to explain what should be cut? Should the cuts come from our social safety nets? Or how about or military? Or our infrastructure?

Discretionary spending could be slashed. A moratorium on earmarks until the budget is balanced. Departamental budget freezes for non-essential government agencies. There are a lot of areas. Do you honestly believe that every dime of government spending is necessary? And on top of that, how DARE you ask me to justify why the government should cut spending. I still have this naive notion that the government should serve the people, not vice versa.

Also, please explain why the hell our domestic spending should be cut to pay for rebuilding Iraq?

Well, as a matter of principal, I don't think it should, but on the other hand we did blow up a lot of it.
 
2007-10-29 5:12:23 PM  
Shvetz: Yes, let's cut 2.5 trillion from the budget.

If you spread the cut out over several years, it's doable. Especially given the fact that the government is bringing in more tax dollars right now than in the history of the United States...maybe a spending freeze for the next 5-6 years after we're out of Iraq and it would be paid for.
 
2007-10-29 5:14:41 PM  
Kal Ethanuel the Lionheart: Thank you, Nabb1, I've taken basic economics. I was looking for a bit more substance than that.

Would you like to explain what should be cut? Should the cuts come from our social safety nets? Or how about or military? Or our infrastructure?

Also, please explain why the hell our domestic spending should be cut to pay for rebuilding Iraq?


Why does it just have to be domestic spending to be cut? We do have other expenses abroad other than the war. Did you learn about any of them in your basic economics class?
 
2007-10-29 5:20:25 PM  
Said it before and I'll say it again.

Tax and Spend > Borrow and Spend


Also, they should reduce the military budget to around 20% of what it is now [it would still be largest in the world]. The unfortunate thing is that given America's history, she dare not not overcompensate on her military. After years hogging the world's resources, she needs to protect herself. It plays out similarly, on a smaller scale inside the country, with the police state the politicians are setting up to protect themselves from an increasingly disgruntled populace they are robbing blind.
 
2007-10-29 5:26:20 PM  
Without Dem. majorities he will do none of that.
 
2007-10-29 5:32:48 PM  
Nabb1: pvd021: And why not raise taxes? You gotta hate the asshats (submitter included) who biatch and moan about having their taxes raised to pay for a war they support and approved of...

What do these idiots think?! That money grows on trees?

I don't support the war. I don't support tax increases. I paid more last year than many people make, and while that makes me fortunate, it does not make me a fool. I have no problem with paying taxes, but I do care very much about how my tax dollars are spent, and they are not being spent responsibly. If you think I will condone massive irresponsible spending by our government and think I will tacitly approve any sort of increase in my taxes, you are woefully mistaken. What do you think? That money grows on trees?

I hate Chevy: Nabb1: I hate Chevy: Quit your job if you can't afford to pay taxes submitterlican.

Kill yourself if you can't survive without the government's support, deadbeat.

/Oversimplification is fun.

Hope you never have to dial 911 asshole. You want to live in my society it requires paying taxes for social services like police and fire.

You missed the point. Opposing tax increases do not mean one opposes all taxes in general. I have no problem with paying taxes. I do resist paying MORE taxes when what I am paying is being unnecessarily wasted.


I was against the Iraq war from the start too.
 
2007-10-29 5:43:40 PM  
Universal health care (through the govt)...bad.
Troops out of Iraq...good.
Overhaul energy system (can we sever ties with the Saudis too?)...good.
More taxes...bad.

Well, 50/50 ain't half bad.
Could give that a boost with a different tax plan.
 
2007-10-29 5:54:27 PM  
Pine Oil Funeral: For all those who think we need higher taxes, get your check book out, fill in IRS in the pay to the order of line, then fill in the amount you feel you should have been paying all along. Mail said check to the IRS.

What the government takes from you is only the required amount. You can pay more if you feel it wasn't enough.


They should also get their friends to do the same,if everyone that wants a tax increase would do this,we would not need a tax increase and everybody would be happy.
 
2007-10-29 6:02:53 PM  
Mr. Xhin: ...If elected I will instantly enact universal health care...EXCELLENT!

...end the war...WONDERFUL!

...and overhaul our energy system...FREAKIN' SHWEET!

...Also says he'll raise taxes...GOOD! Realizing that Middle & Lower class taxes are not what Edwards is talking about, but rather he plans to raise taxes on corporate earnings and the super wealthy. Despite GOP efforts to leave that part out.

Any democratic plan to raise taxes WILL NOT EFFECT 98% of the American public. It's just that the remaining 2% controls enough of the media, that you'd never know that.


Exactly. It's now time to put the wealthy's feet to the fire to pay for the Iraq war. I think they can live on 60% of their income, not to mention maybe only having half of their stock earnings.

And if they biatch, then we can all remind our dear 1% of wealthholders that they got where they are by employing the people they bilk on a daily basis.
 
2007-10-29 6:09:39 PM  
And people think Ron Paul is crazy. You read this and see Democrats want the same radical changes to the political system we got now.

/still voting for Paul
 
2007-10-29 6:22:00 PM  
I hate Chevy: Quit your job if you can't afford to pay taxes submitterlican.

?
 
2007-10-29 6:24:01 PM  
destitute college kid: Taxes are necessary.

/omg im libertarian SAVE ME FROM THE EVIL TAX MONSTER


While you are basically correct, let's check back with you on this in a couple of dozen years from now when you are actually earning enough to support yourself, along with several others in your family, plus paying a hefty load in taxes.
 
2007-10-29 6:24:22 PM  
tgregory
So you support the ending of the government's support for building and maintaining roads and safe water supply? Maybe an end to education and standards?
 
2007-10-29 6:37:58 PM  
Kal Ethanuel the Lionheart:
Republicans are always in favor of cutting taxes in exchange for being elected to office. It's bribing the public on a massive scale. You never hear them proposing how to fill the public coffers. Just a thought.

I honestly wonder if they're just trying to bankrupt the country. When the last shreds of the US government - the EPA, the FDA, the ombudsmen and watchdogs and regulators - lose their funding and go down the tubes, their corporate masters will pretty much be free to do whatever they want to keep making money. It sounds like tinfoil-hat "Jennifer Government" style nuttery but it actually fits the facts pretty well.
 
2007-10-29 6:59:31 PM  
That's a big "if"!
 
2007-10-29 7:32:00 PM  
Kal Ethanuel the Lionheart:
Republicans are always in favor of cutting taxes in exchange for being elected to office.

That is a stupid statement when trying to discredit the Republicans. Cutting taxes for who? The 35% of working Americans who owe NO taxes but actually get a refund due to child credits, etc? Or the next 40% on the scale who might see 50$ if they are lucky, from any tax 'cut'. It seems the problem is a totally disfunctional message from the Democrats who can't seem to muster a majority vote even after offering free money to those who don't contribute any of their own. Damn, if Dems can't manage a plurality in this day and age, that is as big of a FAIL as one can imagine. And it has been.
 
2007-10-29 7:50:29 PM  
twilson2: >> Also says he'll raise taxes

Good.

They need to be raised.


I guess that means you won't have a problem sending me 25% of your paycheck? After all, you don't want it.
 
2007-10-29 8:23:02 PM  
submitter: John Edwards: "If elected I will instantly enact universal health care, end the war and overhaul our energy system."

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