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(wmtw.com)   Contractor just a little upset about money owed to him. Hilarity ensues   ( wmtw.com) divider line
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2002-10-02 07:59:53 AM  
the guy does kidnappings just about as well as contracting, apparently. what a dolt.
2002-10-02 08:00:43 AM  
Police Chief Ed Tolan said Joseph Loughery, 43, of Poland...

Aah, those funny Polish people!
2002-10-02 08:00:53 AM  
*groan* The headline kicker that never dies.
2002-10-02 08:00:54 AM  
Dumbass is right. He should have just chopped the guy's wife's head and stuffed it into a Hello Kitty doll.
2002-10-02 08:01:08 AM  
Tolan said Loughery, who does business as Joe the Carpenter, did some remodeling work for Smith about a year ago.

This guy is a marketing genius -- Joe the Carpenter -- how creative.

2002-10-02 08:01:54 AM  

You take a hammer, smash two knuckles, then ask the guy if he'd be more inclined to giving the contractor his money.
2002-10-02 08:11:28 AM  
It sounds like Joseph Loughery has been watching a few too many episodes of the Sopranos.
2002-10-02 08:11:52 AM  
...What he didnt get charged with violating the FDCPA?? :)

See http://www.ftc.gov/os/statutes/fdcpa/fdcpact.htm
2002-10-02 08:12:56 AM  
As a contractor, I could ensure collections by leaving a piece of the work in an unsafe state until after the check cleared.

Haw haw. That was for software contracting, but the same principle would apply, I imagine.

And yes, it was Space Shuttle software.
2002-10-02 08:13:31 AM  
Whining and complaining that this is a repeat in 3...2...1....
2002-10-02 08:20:12 AM  
all that good Maine bottled water comes from a Spring in Poland....
2002-10-02 08:21:04 AM  
Now kiddies, let's play nice ...
2002-10-02 08:21:54 AM  
I was working for a contractor friend of mine about 10 years ago and we did a deck for this guy. The customer didn't like the deck and said he wasn't going to pay my friend. Soooooo about two nights later my friend drives over to the guys house at 2am, connects the deck to his pick up truck with chains, and ripped the whole deck off the guys house and dragged it down the street. He got arrested of course, but he said it was worth it to see the guy come running out of his house in his underwear with this utter look of shock and disbelief on his face.
2002-10-02 08:25:12 AM  

(there you go Flambore)
2002-10-02 08:29:06 AM  
I hope the trial is held in Portland ME. Not that I would go all the way up there to see the trial. Portland ME has the only topless donut shop that I know of. I would go up to see some donuts! Yeaaaaaahhhhh baaaaaaby!
2002-10-02 08:29:47 AM  
Keylock71: Nice story! Did he have to do any time for that, or did he just have to pay a fine?
2002-10-02 08:31:14 AM  
My bet he was an illegal Polish immigrant working for cash on shiatty wages, and that the employer was stiffing him.
2002-10-02 08:33:52 AM  
I was actually taking the contractor's side on this one until I found out that the job didn't meet code.
2002-10-02 08:36:38 AM  
PandaPorn - no time. Though he had to pay a HUGE fine, and got his Contractors licence revoked. He still doesn't feel bad about it.
2002-10-02 08:36:47 AM  
So, 2 more days without Boobies !!!


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2002-10-02 08:38:13 AM  
2002-10-02 08:40:48 AM  
Why didn't he just sue, like everyone else?
2002-10-02 08:42:17 AM  
Keylock71: I think I would have paid the fine just to see the look on the guy's face, but to have your licence revoked, that must have hurt.
2002-10-02 08:46:06 AM  
PandaPorn - Yeah, he was bumming for cash for a while. No work, and the fine hanging over his head, but he's been a carpenter for 20 years or so and eventually got a job with another contractor as a crew boss.
2002-10-02 08:46:15 AM  
Why didn't he use the gun to kipnap a lawyer and sue, then he could have legally gotten his money.
2002-10-02 08:53:53 AM  
only liberal pussies kidnap people trying to get money from them

a real man would take what he is owed out of the wife
2002-10-02 08:54:37 AM  
This guy is going to go up the river for a long time. Kidnapping can carry a heavy sentence.
2002-10-02 08:57:49 AM  
My Brother-In-Law owns his own landscaping business. The people that don't pay him get about 4 feet of snow piled in front of their driveway every time it snows in the winter.
2002-10-02 09:00:56 AM  
Poland is a town in Maine... WTF?

Should have knee-capped 'em...
2002-10-02 09:01:46 AM  
***Police arrested Loughery without incident and charged him with kidnapping, terrorizing, criminal threatening, carrying a concealed weapon without a permit and violating probation.***

For terrorizing, won't he get the death penalty? Or is that life in prison?
2002-10-02 09:14:53 AM  
I work for a building inspections department and I have nothing valuable to contribute to this discussion. That is all. Have a nice day. : )
2002-10-02 09:34:17 AM  
For anyone who doesn't know better:

When you hire a contractor to do work on your house; never pay more than 20 or 25% down. Then create the payment schedule so that you pay out money as the work is completed and it is inspected. When the work is half done, the contractor should have half the money, 3/4 done, 75% of the money, etc. The only change to this rule is that you should still be holding 10% of the money when the job is complete. That 10% is your only bargaining chip to get everything completed. Once the job is done, walk through and make a list of things that aren't to your liking. Give it to the contractor and when he completes the punch list, gets the final inspection, and gives you all your lien waivers; then and only then should you give him his final payment.
2002-10-02 09:58:24 AM  
Sundog: I never thought about it, but there is an average bottled water brand on the east coast called Poland Spring that's from Maine.

There was another great man who was a carpenter.... *organ music in background* ....his name was Jeezuz Christ, and he died for your sinz. *chord resolves*
2002-10-02 10:01:31 AM  
13ItemsInA12ItemOrLessLane: Topless donut shop, eh? Where is this in Portland?

On second thought, nevermind. I know what the females in Maine look like. They should pay us to look at their boobies.
2002-10-02 10:05:04 AM  
I thought he died cos he got quite a nasty splinter.
2002-10-02 10:25:21 AM  
"Police arrested Loughery without incident and charged him with kidnapping, terrorizing, criminal threatening, carrying a concealed weapon without a permit and violating probation. He's being held in the Cumberland County Jail. "

All that and the forgot the most important charge of all, being a DUMBASS! Maybe this moron will get 5 years of pound you in the ass federal prison for "Terrorizing"?
2002-10-02 10:34:24 AM  
Sundog_rocks yes, Poland is a town in Maine. There is also Moscow, China, Athens, Belgrade, and others that I can't think of right now.

Oh, and this guy is a dumbass.
2002-10-02 11:11:25 AM  
I knew a carpenter some years back who did work for a lawyer.

When the job was done, the lawyer said he wouldn't pay and there wasn't anything the carpenter could do in a legal sense to get paid. The lawyer had tricked him on the contract.

So....a few weeks later, the carpenter returned to the lawyers house late at night. He taped M-80's to the windows and used cigarettes as time delay fuses. He drove up the street and waited....and heard all of the windows being blown out.

The next day he got a call from the lawyer. The lawyer said "I know you did that, bla bla bla". The carpenter said "You can't prove it, goodbye".

Justice was done.
2002-10-02 11:56:17 AM  
Is it just me, or is this whole story real similar to the whole premise of the movie "Overboard" (starring Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn)?
2002-10-02 12:25:41 PM  
MayoBoy: As far as paying a contractor 50% when 50% of the work is done... that's crazy... where did you hear something like that?
You pay a contractor his money, all of it, and only when the job is done to your satisfaction.

Waterbottle: This is sort of like "overboard" except in that movie there was no kidnapping (she had amnesia and he just took her home) and they got married in the end. Good movie, I don't know why it wasn't more popular.
2002-10-02 12:42:26 PM  

I've been involved in construction in various aspects for almost 20 years now. There is no decent contractor who is going to do work and not get paid in phases.

You pay a contractor his money, all of it, and only when the job is done to your satisfaction.

You're not going to get a very good contractor if he agrees to that. A typical room addition would be something like:

10% down payment
10% when the foundation is poured
30% when the room is weather-tight (sheathed, shingled, windows, doors)
10% when exterior is finished
20% after rough electric/plumbing
10% after final finshes (painting, carpet, etc.)
10% upon completion of punch list, & final inspection

Many payment schedules are tied to inspections (footing, foundation, framing, etc) and smaller guys won't take so many divisions.
2002-10-02 01:09:29 PM  
Look, I'm not excusing the kidnapping, or violence, but as a Contractor myself, let me just say that sometimes, when customers don't pay, I have evil thoughts myself. Precision guided bombs, or maybe nuking their farking asses would "pursuede" them to pay up.These are all just twisted fantasies, when I have to pay labor, and materials and everthing in 30 days, then wait 60 to 90 days on my money.But, Hey, when I do get my check and can afford to get back on my medication, I tell the voices in my head to shut up. IT'S JUST BUSINESS PEOPLE! YOU CAN ALWAYS SUE LATER. ;)
2002-10-02 01:33:21 PM  
what a jackass! he should have cut off the guys big toes and feed them through a meat grinder...then the guy would have to learn to walk all over again and go through a lifetime of pain and suffering!
2002-10-02 05:10:34 PM  
Maybe that is how it works with residential. Around here we accept a contractors bid to replace the drywall and paint unit 212 for $800. When he gets done he sends us a bill for $1200 saying the framework was rotted and needed replacing. We then pay his bill with a check for $700 because he didn't do the kitchen area which was in the agreement, and we already checked the framework and know it was not rotting, and even if it was he should have included it on his estimate, that's his problem not ours... we had someone else bid $1000 and we would have given it to them if he hadn't lowballed the bid and then tried to make up for it later with this framework crap... and don't even think about trying to kidnap someone over here because we're not going to pay to get them back.
That's how it works around here.
2002-10-02 05:35:21 PM  

That's not construction; that's janitor work. We dont' worry about kidnapping either. All of us have personal replicants that spew White Castle fumes when accosted.
2002-10-02 05:53:04 PM  

Sounds familiar. My dad built fences for 20 some odd years. Like chainlink fences for people. If someone just out and out refused to pay, after multiple chances were given for payment, plan b was implemented. This involved hooking a towchain to said fence and pulling it across their property with a 2 ton truck.

I personally would rather see something like that happen than some person having the balls to use my hard work and materials for their own personal gain.
2002-10-02 07:55:35 PM  
I say if poeple don't pay for work done contractors should be legally allowed to repose the work. If it's substandard or whatever then they're clearing out the area for the owner to find someone else to build what they want. Makes sense to me. But then again I'm neither a contractor (in the construction sense) nor a homeowner so what do I know.
2002-10-03 01:16:30 AM  
not that anyone is gonna see this post at this late hour, but yes, Poland IS a town in ME. I was born in Lewiston and lived in Poland for most of my life. Its a lovely place. AND its where Poland Spring bottled water comes from. best. water. ever.
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