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(Some Guy)   Our story: Bad decision driven by ideological zeal, pursued beyond reason, that wastes millions. No, not the war in Iraq--we're talking about all the movies this fall biatching about Iraq. All of which are bombing   (washingtontimes.com) divider line
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2007-10-25 5:06:35 PM  
Why should I pay ten bucks to see how shiatty the war is going when I can have Katie Couric tell me for free?
 
2007-10-25 5:07:27 PM  
Movies are an elective waste of money, whereas the Iraq war was a... oh wait, nevermind.
 
2007-10-25 5:18:19 PM  
I liked the kingdom
 
2007-10-25 5:19:30 PM  
zymosan: I liked the kingdom

So you're the one.
 
2007-10-25 5:23:15 PM  
We'll see what Christian Toto has to say when Delta Farce wins the oscar for best picture.
 
2007-10-25 5:24:49 PM  
Did no one clue the filmmakers in to the notion that people go to the cinema to ESCAPE REALITY???

Case in point: 'Oklahoma' was released in 1943 when the world was wracked by war and America was in a deep ecomonic recession. What better way to boost morale than to show a movie about people in the middle of the country having a grand ol' time.

I'm looking for people to go see 'Control' with me.
 
2007-10-25 5:28:16 PM  
Browncoat: zymosan: I liked the kingdom

So you're the one.


BOOOOORING!

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2007-10-25 5:32:23 PM  
because lack of popularity always says something the quality of art in question...

maybe people don't want to spend any more time than necessary dealing with the evil suckhole of mindfark that is becoming our national identity.
 
2007-10-25 5:34:07 PM  
That the movies are bombing doesn't mean they're not good movies, they're just not what Americans are currently interested in spending $10 at the box office for.

Maybe in a few years we'll be able to look back at how good these movies were and enjoy them then.
 
2007-10-25 5:35:06 PM  
I haven't seen any advertisements for either of those movies and am assuming they are in limited release. So, you can blame that for them ot being box office smashes too.
 
2007-10-25 5:45:06 PM  
SphericalTime
Maybe in a few years we'll be able to look back at how good these movies were and enjoy them then.

Try a few months. It's called Netflix.
 
2007-10-25 5:48:14 PM  
Schlock and awwwwww.
 
2007-10-25 5:53:39 PM  
that wastes millions

obviously it wasn't about the war itself.
 
2007-10-25 5:55:00 PM  
I think Americans, if not the world, is just plain tired of the fiasco in Iraq.

They know it was based on a lie, they know it was poorly executed, they know its a failure, they know its costing trillions of dollars and thousands of lives. They see Bush, the face of the war, everyday. No one wants to pay $10 to relive it all again.

Maybe in 20 or 30 years people will want to see what the war was all about that they've been forced to pay for, but now, we get it (well, most of us).
 
2007-10-25 6:00:22 PM  
It's not 1942. Oddly enough no one wants to watch a movie about a war that's still on-going.
 
2007-10-25 6:01:41 PM  
Sleeping Monkey: I think Americans, if not the world, is just plain tired of the fiasco in Iraq.

They know it was based on a lie, they know it was poorly executed, they know its a failure, they know its costing trillions of dollars and thousands of lives. They see Bush, the face of the war, everyday. No one wants to pay $10 to relive it all again.

Maybe in 20 or 30 years people will want to see what the war was all about that they've been forced to pay for, but now, we get it (well, most of us).


Who needs movies of current events? Just flip on CNN or Al-Jazeera and watch. Far better than any movie right now.

I, personally, enjoy WWII movies and documentaries. That's an era of which I am very unfamiliar with and am trying to learn more about.
 
2007-10-25 6:01:54 PM  
It's too soon. The nightmare is ongoing. You didn't see all the good Viet Nam era films until years later.

Right now I would imagine Americans wanting movies that make them feel good about themselves and what they're doing. Escapist heroes, feel-good Moms and families, family-like groups overcoming obstacles to triumph over and over again. Anything not requiring a lot of soul-searching or recrimination. Nothing too smart or challenging.

Americans want to feel like they're the good guys again, the world leaders because they're respected, the best at everything always, not just because they've got enough nukes to glass parking lot the inner Solar System.

So you're not going to see the Iraq War equivalents of Apocalypse Now or Platoon or M*A*S*H until Americans have passed through the real war and have begun to come to terms with the fallout from it in real life. Until then, no one wants to hear that the newest war has spawned horrors unsurpassed in human history and that the reality is still worse than any story we've yet heard out loud.
 
2007-10-25 6:05:07 PM  
Did Bill O'Reiley write this headline?
 
2007-10-25 6:06:14 PM  
zymosan: I liked the kingdom

I did too, but that wasn't an anti iraq war film. The audience I saw it with roared with approval when that guy got stabbed in the skull. It was awesome.
 
2007-10-25 6:06:30 PM  
farbles: Until then, no one wants to hear that the newest war has spawned horrors unsurpassed in human history

Yeah, six million Jews beg to differ.
 
2007-10-25 6:10:56 PM  
I don't think people are rejecting these movies because they have an anti-war message. Personally, I am rejecting them because they look boring.

I'll watch them when they come on tv...maybe.
 
2007-10-25 6:26:26 PM  
Smitty:Bad decision driven by ideological zeal, pursued beyond reason, that wastes millions billions.

Now we are talking about Iraq
 
2007-10-25 6:28:10 PM  
Supreme irony: If studios and their legal eagles could find out how to get a version of The Hobbit made by Peter Jackson then they would have enough money to bathe in. Instead we get this pathetic flow of treacle. Bah! What next? Batman again?

The Hobbit. We wants it, precious.
 
2007-10-25 6:46:20 PM  
These kinds of movies could work, IF the movies showed people something they don't know.

Then you'd get that "Hey Bob have you seen Rendition?", "No Lance, I haven't, but I already know about what the CIA is doing", "No you don't Bob, this movie shows how..." word of mouth.

As far as I've seen, these movies neither tell anyone anything new, nor even have a new way of saying what everyone knows. What's the point?

Also, it would help if they got lesser known, or even unknown, actors for these parts. I can't get worked up over Reese Witherspoon's problems if they are more serious than people treating her like a dumb blonde.
 
2007-10-25 7:08:26 PM  
Can't they just make an Iraq war movie about a bunch of lovable army scamps and their zany adventures in some remote outpost? Man, the movie just about writes itself!
 
2007-10-25 7:12:05 PM  
ChrisPC: farbles: Until then, no one wants to hear that the newest war has spawned horrors unsurpassed in human history

Yeah, six million Jews beg to differ.


Their lands weren't sown with millions of unexploded Play-Skool looking bomblets and tons of depleted uranium dust and who knows what else in the way of chemical warfare we haven't heard about. Their water quality overall was probably better. They didn't have to live with the killing heat of the Iraqi summer, though of course European winters have their own punishments.

Not to minimize the suffering of the Holocaust in any way, but there are horrors being inflicted on the Iraqi people now that simply weren't available to the Nazis.

Look at Viet Nam and the defoliant Agent Orange. To this day this is causing horrific birth defects, a toll in blood and suffering that is numbing to consider. The Nazis, for all their trying, were amateurs at this game.

Raining death from above as is frequently done today is like generating a whole bunch of pinpoint little Coventry and Dresden firestorms, little mini "conventional" explosions that can take a convoy of trucks and turn them into an instant hell nothing can escape. That's just one of the many horrors that have been unleashed in this modern conflict only hinted at by the horrors of World War II.

The Nazis big crime against humanity was the mechanization of genocide. Modern killing is more refined, much more powerful and more horrific with each passing decade. The after-effects linger longer and bring death to the successors of the participants where before the warmakers could only kill the people they could reach, not their grand-children as well.
 
2007-10-25 7:13:38 PM  
I love the Times... what a grand ole piece of the lamestream LIEberal media...
 
2007-10-25 7:25:01 PM  
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2007-10-25 7:33:03 PM  
WOW this thread is so awesome some one thought we needed to do it twice
 
2007-10-25 7:33:51 PM  
vdantev: It's not 1942. Oddly enough no one wants to watch a movie about a war that's still on-going.

It's the same reason why people don't really want to see films about 9/11. Right now our actions are putting a lot of previously-defined events into strange contexts. How can we take the side of the 'good guys' when we are invaders in a foreign land that had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks? How can we take the moral high ground here that cinematic stereotypical plots take? One day--just like with Vietnam and the revisionism that spawned Rambo Part II, Red Dawn, and the Braddock films--we'll find a way around it that'll be swallowed by the ignorant, but right now we are in a state where blind nationalism conflicts with our innate American sensibilities of right and wrong. By our own narrowly defined fields of good and bad, we are NOT good. And that ends up being too reflective for cheap Hollywood nationalistic fare, and that is ignored by the public at large who either recognizes it as is rightfully disgusted, or chooses to ignore the irony and instead blames it for being 'liberal' or 'unAmerican.'
 
2007-10-25 7:52:47 PM  
In the Valley of Elah = stupid title, possibly the worst of the year

Rendition = two godawful premises. It's one thing to ask us to believe Reese Witherspoon married to some no-name Egyptian guy, it's another thing entirely to then ask us to believe that when her hubby is scooped up by the HilterburtonChimpyMcChickendieboldcheneybots she works the political establishment like a pro...but never calls a reporter.

No sale.
 
2007-10-25 8:49:01 PM  
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/does not approve
 
2007-10-25 9:46:14 PM  
KyngNothing: I love the Times... what a grand ole piece of the lamestream LIEberal media...

Wow...I would have figured a troll like that would have popped up earlier in the thread.
 
2007-10-25 10:00:43 PM  
Hmmmmmmm, ya think maybe people are a little sick of having someone else's ideology POUNDED DOWN THEIR THROATS on TV, radio, newspapers, internet.... and now the movies.

/just maybe....
 
2007-10-25 10:26:40 PM  
No, try again Subyby

ALL of the INDY movies are having trouble(new window)
 
2007-10-25 10:43:17 PM  
Wombatzu: because lack of popularity always says something the quality of art in question...

Yeah! Just because "Mr. Woodcock" bombed doesn't mean it wasn't the funniest movie ever made!

(Totally and brutally sucking might mean that it wasn't the funniest movie ever made, but I couldn't say for sure. I never saw it.)
 
2007-10-25 10:56:34 PM  
Wombatzu: because lack of popularity always says something the quality of art in question...


Two things tell you the overall merit of a given piece of art (short of watching it yourself, obviously, which I would say is the best way but impractical given the quantity of material):

(1) Immediate popularity among the interested.
(2) Enduring popularity overall.

So, among people that are into the details of cinema, no one particularly likes these movies either. That says something.

I'll check the syllabi of cinema history courses in 50 years to check #2. I'm betting none of the current crop make it up there with 'Casablanca' or 'the wizard of Oz'. But I could be wrong.
 
2007-10-25 11:01:40 PM  
Darth_Lukecash

also on what you posted... it really is a Miserable experience to hit the theaters
 
2007-10-25 11:08:26 PM  
Hollywood has been doing this since before WWII. Old news.
 
2007-10-25 11:09:53 PM  
These movies are bombing because folks hate to be preached at!
By the way there was a great Vietnam War movie that came out during the conflict M*A*S*H! while supposedly set in Korea it was actually about Vietnam even including a scene of "Koreans" dressed in traditional Vietnamese clothing.

The fact is no one is being drafted and relatively few soldiers are dying. This conflict is a long way from Viet Nam in every imaginable and measurable way. Yes some very big mistakes have been made in Iraq but Iraq and Afghanistan combined are only utilizing 8% of our military forces.

A good movie could be made about Iraq. A couple of excellent documentaries have already been made. But NO ONE is going to pay to see a screaming neon sign that says WAR SUCKS! We already know that.

A good non-partisan movie was Michael Clayton. Knowing George Clooney's politics I was expecting a screed. It's an intelligent movie for thinking people without a real definable political agenda. More people should see it but I honestly think its tanking at the box office because people are afraid that it is political so they are staying away.

A good Iraq film can be made but it will really have to toe a line of neutrality if it is to succeed.
 
2007-10-26 1:24:00 AM  
Infernal Wedgie:

Oklahoma was released in 1955.

/just saying
 
2007-10-26 1:43:05 AM  
I liked The Kingdom.
 
2007-10-26 2:29:12 AM  
No one's watching movies because all the sweet video games are being released right now. Right after Halo 3 we got the Orange Box, and Guitar Hero III, Mass Effect, and Assassin's Creed are right down the pipe.

Hollywood might as well pack it in. We as Americans like to stay in and enjoy the new entertainment form. One that's ORIGINAL and INTERESTING.
 
2007-10-26 7:29:00 AM  
Darth_Lukecash: No, try again Subyby

ALL of the INDY movies are having trouble(new window)


I was going to make a comment about Harrison Ford having
something to say about that, but when I tried to go to
the link it asked me for a registration.

Fark Commandment #1: Registered links make Baby Jesus cry.
 
2007-10-26 7:58:42 AM  
By not going and seeing them you are depriving yourself of the personal opinions of people like Robert Redford and Sean Penn, people who are better than you and know better than you.
 
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