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(Wall Street Journal)   New York Times, 1981: "Reagan is an idiot for saying ketchup is a vegetable." 2006: "Ketchup is a vegetable, and very healthy one at that"   (opinionjournal.com) divider line
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2007-10-24 4:49:58 PM  
In 1988, Sen. John Kerry described the administration of Ronald Reagan as a period of "moral darkness." When Reagan died in 2004, Kerry sang Reagan's praises:

Now, his own journey has ended--a long and storied trip that spanned most of the American century--and shaped one of the greatest victories of freedom. Today in the face of new challenges, his example reminds us that we must move forward with optimism and resolve. He was our oldest president, but he made America young again.


So this blogger thinks Kerry should have taunted the former President on his deathbed?

Seems like Kerry was just showing tact and consideration, and showing respect for the death of a President. He probably had to say something, since he was running for President at the time that Reagan died. I guess we can expect Rethuglicans to throw cigars at the casket of Bill Clinton.
 
2007-10-24 4:53:57 PM  
Yes, subby, we were all wrong. Ketchup is a vegetable. Now get over it and get on with your life. BTW - Reagan may have been right about ketchup but he still sucked.
 
2007-10-24 5:00:31 PM  
Vegetable: "Edible seeds or roots or stems or leaves or bulbs or tubers or nonsweet fruits of any of numerous herbaceous plants."

Ketchup in and of itself is not a vegetable. It is prepared from a vegetable. Pumpkin pie is not a vegetable. It contains vegetables, though.

/I can't believe that I'm even caring about this. Wait, I don't.
 
2007-10-24 5:04:16 PM  
Do most vegetables contain corn syrup?
 
2007-10-24 5:05:21 PM  
Tomatoes are fruits, not vegetables.
 
2007-10-24 5:05:21 PM  
The tomato is a fruit.
 
2007-10-24 5:06:05 PM  
Nice one Lorelle
 
2007-10-24 5:12:45 PM  
1981 "Catsup is a vegetable."
2003 "Reagan is a vegetable."
and so it goes
 
2007-10-24 5:23:04 PM  
RagingLeonard: Ah, simulpost!
 
2007-10-24 5:31:29 PM  
Hmmmm....two completely different people write opposite things 26 years apart, but for the same newspaper.

Must mean the newspaper flip-flopped.
 
2007-10-24 5:40:55 PM  
Let's talk about context, shall we?

Other than the "tomatoes are a fruit" issue discussed above, it's probably correct to say that ketchup is a vegetable product. But that's not what Reagan tried to pass off in 1981. The controversy then was whether the school lunch standards provided insufficiently balanced and healthy meals for kids because they did not require servings of vegetables. Reagan said that everything was just fine because the kids got ketchup on their fries or burgers, and that ketchup was a vegetable, essentially stating that dammit, a serving of good old Heinz ketchup was all kids needed for a healthy, balanced lunch.

Presumably even the WSJ knows this, especially given the quote they selected:

Somebody is still trying to sabotage the Reagan Administration from within. It's probably the person the President accused of creating the impression of heartless foolishness by defining ketchup as a school-lunch vegetable.
 
2007-10-24 5:45:50 PM  
Submitter: "Ketchup is a vegetable, and very healthy one at that"

The actual article: "For some families, ketchup accounts for a large part of the household vegetable intake. About 75 percent of tomato consumption is in the form of processed tomatoes, including juice, tomato paste and ketchup. Notably, recent research has shown organic ketchup has about double the antioxidants of conventional ketchup."

The Times was completely correct in its initial assessment of ketchup. It is not a vegetable, and one average serving of ketchup does not contain enough tomato to make it count as one serving of a vegetable.

I don't know what James Taranto is talking about when he says the Times has "corrected this quarter-century old mistake". They've done no such thing.

/And submitter needs to read for comprehension.
 
2007-10-24 5:50:49 PM  
Lorelle: Tomatoes are fruits, not vegetables.
RagingLeonard: The tomato is a fruit.

But see Nix v. Hedden, 149 U.S. 304 (1997) (holding for the purposes of the Tariff Act of March 3, 1883 that a tomato was a vegetable based not on its botanical attributes but its common role in the American diet of the time)
 
2007-10-24 5:55:46 PM  
BritneysSpeculum: But see Nix v. Hedden, 149 U.S. 304 (1997) (holding for the purposes of the Tariff Act of March 3, 1883 that a tomato was a vegetable based not on its botanical attributes but its common role in the American diet of the time)

I'm disturbed that you could recall off the top of your head that such a case exists, let alone that you could come up with a citation for it.
 
2007-10-24 5:55:48 PM  
err the date on that should be 1887, not 1997.

/tyopping is a sklil
 
2007-10-24 5:56:46 PM  
Cyberluddite: I'm disturbed that you could recall off the top of your head that such a case exists, let alone that you could come up with a citation for it.

And my wife says that I wasted 3 years in law school.


/I had to google to get the cite.
 
2007-10-24 5:58:31 PM  
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2007-10-24 6:00:27 PM  
Somebody needs to get fired.

Ketchup is not a vegetable, nor should it ever be considered so.

Maybe she voted for his war criminal ass or something...
 
2007-10-24 6:04:05 PM  
Fruit, veggie...Who cares?

Here's the IMPORTANT issue at hand:

People who put mayo or vinegar on their fries are an abomination and should be dragged against a wall and shot.

Why is this not being done?
 
2007-10-24 6:05:12 PM  
So... Tomatoes are fruits, Ketchup is a vegetable, and The New York Times is a glorified tabloid...

I can has cheezebooger?
 
2007-10-24 6:07:53 PM  
Riche: People who put mayo or vinegar on their fries are an abomination and should be dragged against a wall and shot.

Why is this not being done?


Because you're horribly horribly wrong about both and you'd be killing innocent people.

Hey, you asked.

I do both...:)
 
2007-10-24 6:37:12 PM  
The trick is that it's organic ketchup that's the healthier stuff...a lot of that is because there's no high-fructose corn syrup in it like the regular stuff.
 
2007-10-24 6:53:21 PM  
Gulper Eel: a lot of that is because there's no high-fructose corn syrup in it like the regular stuff.

Yeah, but it's still not a vegetable.
 
2007-10-24 7:00:13 PM  
Me in 1981: "Man, it must suck to have your head cut off."
Me in 2007: "I really need a haircut. And I get a better haircut at the fancy salon than at SuperCuts."

WSJ doofus in 2007: "Oh my god... flip-flopper!!! Hypocrite!!!"
 
2007-10-24 7:09:34 PM  
TFer's in 1981: John Kerry is relevant how?
TFer's in 2007: Ronald Reagan is relevant how?
 
2007-10-24 7:13:28 PM  
thedude462: Ronald Reagan is relevant how?

Oh, he's definitely relevant. There wasn't any question of that.

He just happens to be one of the Presidents who got away with war crimes without being convicted.
 
2007-10-24 7:50:35 PM  
stevecody


1981 "Catsup is a vegetable."
2003 "Reagan is a vegetable."
and so it goes



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2007-10-24 7:52:09 PM  
whidbey: thedude462: Ronald Reagan is relevant how?

Oh, he's definitely relevant. There wasn't any question of that.

He just happens to be one of the Presidents who got away with war crimes without being convicted.


As well as treason.

Plus abandoning every principal of conservatism while being lauded as the worlds greatest conservative.

An endless liar.

You know. Shiat like that.
 
2007-10-24 7:52:11 PM  
Catsup is made from Sugarmaters.
 
2007-10-24 7:53:21 PM  
Saint Ronnie crapped his pants for freedom. He crapped his pants to defeat the commies. He crapped his pants to defeat the hippies and liberals. He crapped his pants so that you wouldn't have to crap your own pants. HERO! HERO! HERO!
 
2007-10-24 7:54:10 PM  
It has Lycoprene
 
2007-10-24 7:57:10 PM  
NYT, 1932: The Lindbergh Baby kidnapping trial is the Trial of the Century.
NYT, 1995: The OJ Simpson trial is the Trial of the Century.

OMG FLIPFLOPPING LIEBERAL MEDIA!1!
 
2007-10-24 7:57:48 PM  
Reagan's corpse flew directly over my home once*. It was landing at a nearby airport, then to be taken to the Reagan Library for burial and services.

*Would have looked cool though if it had been from a catapult.
 
2007-10-24 7:58:06 PM  
Neither subby nor the WSJ seem to understand that saying "organic ketchup has more nutrients than non-organic ketchup" isn't the same thing as saying "ketchup is a very healthy vegetable." It isn't really even saying that ketchup counts as a vegetable, so much as it's saying that the average American diet is so lacking in nutrition that a sugar-laden condiment constitutes a large part of its intake of vegetable matter.

If the majority of fruit that a family consumed came in the form of the juice content of Hi-C, it wouldn't mean that Hi-C was suddenly a fruit.
 
2007-10-24 7:58:46 PM  
The tomato is a fruit that tastes like a vegetable. It's freaky!

/Reagan can suck it
 
2007-10-24 8:00:23 PM  
....Brady.

/goml
 
2007-10-24 8:04:55 PM  
Are people in the world not dying RIGHT NOW because of our American government?

And all the Wall Street Journal can do is try to rag on the NYT for criticizing the "greatest president in american history", ronald reagan. And then going back on it. About ketchup.

Ronald Reagan was a senile actor and political tool of corporations pumping money into Washington through congressional lobbyists.

America's children? F*ck em, eat some more ketchup.
The poor, the racially subjugated? F*ck em, bootstraps and such.
Cocaine? Let's steal it from South America, sell it to Americans, and arrest the negros who use and enjoy it.
Wallstreet? Capitalism=gives me a hardon.
Trickle-down economics? You think it will benefit you, lower and middle class, but you're too stupid to tell cause you don't got no money! Yeehaw!

Tear down this wall, Mr. Gorbochev!
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Build the wall fast, Minutemen, build it tall and steady! They're taking our jobs!
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From sea to shining sea.
 
2007-10-24 8:06:14 PM  
Slow news day?
 
2007-10-24 8:09:04 PM  
Seems like just yesterday the Wall Street Journal was reporting the stock market going down. Now they say it's going up! You can't have it both ways, Wall Street Journal!
 
2007-10-24 8:10:56 PM  
1 out of every 20 people in DC has HIV. We could blame Reagan's senile, shortsighted, fundamentalist xtian zealotry for letting the infection kinetics get out of control, but it wouldn't offer any solutions for achieving a viable and sustainable society.
 
2007-10-24 8:11:08 PM  
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2007-10-24 8:15:30 PM  
Cyberluddite: BritneysSpeculum: But see Nix v. Hedden, 149 U.S. 304 (1997) (holding for the purposes of the Tariff Act of March 3, 1883 that a tomato was a vegetable based not on its botanical attributes but its common role in the American diet of the time)

I'm disturbed that you could recall off the top of your head that such a case exists, let alone that you could come up with a citation for it.


It's very much the textbook case of the law getting farking odd sometimes that's used in every freshman civics class ever to explain the shiat the judicial branch has to put up with sometimes. I admit I wasn't able to think of the year off the top of my head, though, had to use the google.

And, regarding the article: the writer's just a prick, and not an insightful or entertaining one. You can have basic respect for your opponents' character and attempts to follow what they see to be the correct course of action even if you disagree that it is, in fact, the correct course of action. Going to the funeral of someone who was essentially a good man and making petty political statements would have been not only infantile, but overtly disrespectful toward the idea of morality itself. Just because senators are morally degraded backstabbers for a living doesn't mean they're all that way in their private lives, too.
 
2007-10-24 8:17:16 PM  
LostSaidDocument: Tear down this wall, Mr. Gorbochev!

Build the wall fast, Minutemen, build it tall and steady! They're taking our jobs!



That was the most retarded thing I've read all day.

1) The Berlin Wall was meant to keep people IN.
2) A border fence with Mexico is meant to keep illegals OUT.

Next time, read a history book before you make such observations.
 
2007-10-24 8:18:30 PM  
Jim_Callahan: It's very much the textbook case of the law getting farking odd sometimes that's used in every freshman civics class ever to explain the shiat the judicial branch has to put up with sometimes.

Really? Well, I learned something new today, then--I had no idea. Of course, I would've had no way of knowing this, as I went through civics class--and law school, for that matter--long before that case ever came down.
 
2007-10-24 8:21:34 PM  
Rovian: 1 out of every 20 people in DC has HIV. We could blame Reagan's senile, shortsighted, fundamentalist xtian zealotry for letting the infection kinetics get out of control, but it wouldn't offer any solutions for achieving a viable and sustainable society.


So it's Reagan's fault people wouldn't stop shooting heroin or visiting bath houses?
 
2007-10-24 8:22:30 PM  
fact: Chlorine's diluted with water is less dangerous than drinking pure concentrated chlorine.

WSJ: Mr. Anon just said chlorine is safe to drink!
 
2007-10-24 8:28:28 PM  
Lorelle: Tomatoes are fruits, not vegetables.

RagingLeonard: The tomato is a fruit.

I came here to say that.
 
2007-10-24 8:34:52 PM  
clanque: Vegetable: "Edible seeds or roots or stems or leaves or bulbs or tubers or nonsweet fruits of any of numerous herbaceous plants."

Ketchup in and of itself is not a vegetable. It is prepared from a vegetable. Pumpkin pie is not a vegetable. It contains vegetables, though.

/I can't believe that I'm even caring about this. Wait, I don't.


Pumpkin is not a vegetable, either.

/meh
 
2007-10-24 8:39:24 PM  
I'm pretty sure that if your ketchup serving size equalled MINE, you would be getting a serving of vegetables.

/brought to you by the ketchup advisory board.
 
2007-10-24 8:56:58 PM  
Reagan was concentrated evil that represented everything that is bad about America. We as a nation can only hope that his final years were horribly painful and degrading.
 
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