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(The Register)   FCC wins right to let telcos charge whatever they like to ISPs. There goes your cheap Internet access. Suck it "free market"   ( theregister.co.uk) divider line
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2007-10-24 03:54:52 PM  
Punctuation does not work that way!
 
2007-10-24 03:55:27 PM  
Meh. Got cable. DSL blows.
 
2007-10-24 04:02:56 PM  
So, I use speakeasy at home. How bad am I going to get screwed now?
 
2007-10-24 04:18:41 PM  
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2007-10-24 04:38:29 PM  
Sorry Subby but "free market" means the government doesn't meddle with it.
It doesn't mean its the cheapest.
 
2007-10-24 04:40:40 PM  
Submittard needs to go back to Economics 101
 
2007-10-24 04:56:05 PM  
Subby: "...Suck it "free market"

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Savage Belief PS
 
2007-10-24 05:06:01 PM  
gah. good thing the isp I work for is a telco with their own lines.

Wait, I use Comcast at home though. ugh
 
2007-10-24 05:06:57 PM  
NightOwl2255: Meh. Got cable. DSL blows.

Nope. They're both about the same. What sets them apart is your local provider and infrastructure.

In my case, cable suck ass. High latency, lots of dropped packets and short outages, and a provider that doesn't care one bit about my whining and complaining. DSL on the other hand actually gives me higher tested speeds (both up and down) and is rock solid. And the provider cares about me just a tiny bit, at least.
 
2007-10-24 05:09:38 PM  
Shrubbie and Company once again kneels to his Big Business masters. He has served them well.
 
2007-10-24 05:10:35 PM  
Let's see how the LibertAryans are going to try and spin this one.
 
2007-10-24 05:11:35 PM  
Subby: Suck it "free market"

You keep using that word...I do not think it means what you think it means.

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Telcos being free to charge what they want on the communications market is consistent with free market practice.

I think it sucks, btw. I just had to hop on the semantics bus.
 
2007-10-24 05:11:36 PM  
god damnit.

i dont want to go back to cablemodem.

dsl is so much smoother for gaming, even if i dont get 4mbps downloads who needs it i quit downloading games years ago.

youtube doesnt require fast speed, but the cable modems always disconnect for no farking reason every 45 minutes. i have had 2 outages in 2 years no jokes with dsl

im pissed
 
2007-10-24 05:11:42 PM  
Good. I for one am glad the cable companies are finally being able to dictate what their users are allowed to use the internet for. At the least, this will hopefully curtail the majority of the illegal downloading and other illegal activity on the internet.
 
2007-10-24 05:11:53 PM  
The FCC baffles me. They are clearly in the pocket of big business and not on the side of the public in just about anything that they do, and there's really little anyone can do about it.
 
2007-10-24 05:11:58 PM  
BBBBBBbut they said if we granted them a legal monopoly on the infrastructure, that they'd never abuse it !!1!

/suck it statists
//reap your harvest
 
2007-10-24 05:12:39 PM  
Verizon: That will be $30 for long distance telephone charges and $120 for one DSL line please.

Me: (reaching for axe I keep behind my counter)..get out!!!!
 
2007-10-24 05:13:26 PM  
So, will this affect wireless connections?

Also, why do I read the most interesting articles about the US in British newspapers/magazines?
 
2007-10-24 05:13:42 PM  
Valdes: Good. I for one am glad the cable companies are finally being able to dictate what their users are allowed to use the internet for. At the least, this will hopefully curtail the majority of the illegal downloading and other illegal activity on the internet.

Way to not pay attention to anything related to this article.
 
2007-10-24 05:14:55 PM  
Research Google's bid for the 700mhz spectrum.
 
2007-10-24 05:15:00 PM  
Wow. American broadband access is already horrible (for an industrialized nation, and it's about to get worse.


/Calgary, $40 ($39 US?) 6Mb down, 800Kb up.
 
2007-10-24 05:15:03 PM  
The problem is that is was never a free market, and competition was not allowed. Single carriers were allowed to monopolize regions as long as they provided a reasonable rate and allow others use of the lines. The two things they agreed to in order to allow their monopoly are now being removed. Sweetheart of a deal.
 
2007-10-24 05:15:16 PM  
geckoone: Submittard needs to go back to Economics 101

You need to check out the course manual - there's a lot more than just 101.
 
2007-10-24 05:15:52 PM  
It will just encourage alternative methods if they charge to much. Already several new technologies coming out that challenge them. They would be foolish to try to push to hard now.
 
2007-10-24 05:15:53 PM  
The free in "free market" is not free as in no money.

/Where's your brain?
//Why'd you hit me?
///Where's your brain?
////Why'd you hit me?
//I asked you first.
 
2007-10-24 05:15:59 PM  
I think we should just give in to government regulation. They know much better what's good for us than we do.
 
2007-10-24 05:16:28 PM  
generic comment about subby not understanding economics
 
2007-10-24 05:16:41 PM  
modix wins the thread.

The point is that an actual free market would never have lead to this in the first place.
 
2007-10-24 05:16:47 PM  
geckoone: Submittard needs to go back to Economics 101

bitteroldman: Sorry Subby but "free market" means the government doesn't meddle with it.
It doesn't mean its the cheapest.


Thank you both for displaying your ignorance about how the telecommunications industry works. It makes it so much easier for the rest of us to weed you out from those who actually have an intelligent opinion about this.
 
2007-10-24 05:16:59 PM  
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2007-10-24 05:17:23 PM  
My telco is my ISP and is a cooperative. They have to answer to their members. Fairly cheap cable and internet.
 
2007-10-24 05:17:59 PM  
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2007-10-24 05:18:00 PM  
modix: The problem is that is was never a free market, and competition was not allowed. Single carriers were allowed to monopolize regions as long as they provided a reasonable rate and allow others use of the lines. The two things they agreed to in order to allow their monopoly are now being removed. Sweetheart of a deal.

THIS
 
2007-10-24 05:18:06 PM  
FIOS FTW
 
2007-10-24 05:18:06 PM  
Valdes: Good. I for one am glad the cable companies are finally being able to dictate what their users are allowed to use the internet for. At the least, this will hopefully curtail the majority of the illegal downloading and other illegal activity on the internet.

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FAIL
 
2007-10-24 05:18:56 PM  
I say we need to watch the market for the next 6 months to a year. It is not realistic to claim either side on this one. If the free market works, then prices should fall. If the free market fails then price will stay the same or go up. Either way I am betting that you will see some alternitives getting cheaper. Sat/Wireless might just get competitive.
 
2007-10-24 05:19:02 PM  
steklo: Verizon: That will be $30 for long distance telephone charges and $120 for one DSL line please.

Me: (reaching for axe I keep behind my counter)..get out!!!!


Nice one.
 
2007-10-24 05:19:52 PM  
Free market requires competition to work properly. We don't have that anymore. A few corporations run everything and collude to a great extent. What we have today is a Corporatocratic representative government that allows the corporate overlords to run the market the way they want. Its really just a side effect of moving away from a democratic approach to government.
 
2007-10-24 05:20:18 PM  
CastorPimp: FIOS FTW

After a few installation problems which pushed my install back a week (guy showed up and found out THAT DAY that they couldn't do a drop to my house without adding taps at the pole), I've been pretty happy with my FIOS.

Their wireless router doesn't seem to have much juice, though.
 
2007-10-24 05:20:36 PM  
The 3rd Circuit also agreed with the FCC's contention that the deregulation will lead to an increase in products and services by removing barriers to the adoption of new equipment. The FCC averred that telecoms companies had previously avoided upgrading their equipment because of the cost of offering independent ISPs nondiscriminatory access to that equipment.

The court rejected petitioners' additional arguments that the telecoms will block small ISPs from markets or relegate them to older, slower and less competitive equipment. Instead, the court again credited FCC findings that the telecoms have financial incentives to provide access to small ISPs at competitive rates, since by doing so they can spread the cost of their networks over as much traffic and as many users as possible.


These two paragraphs are completely contradictory. "We won't upgrade equipment because we lose money by selling access to small ISPs. We won't stop selling access to small ISPs because they subsidize our equipment."
 
2007-10-24 05:20:56 PM  
Pincy: Thank you both for displaying your ignorance about how the telecommunications industry works. It makes it so much easier for the rest of us to weed you out from those who actually have an intelligent opinion about this.

Isn't that the truth. I'm astounded by the number of Farkers who've never heard of the term "natural monopoly" but bleat about Econ 101.
 
2007-10-24 05:21:23 PM  
reveal101:
/Calgary, $40 ($39 US?)


fail

/subby?
 
2007-10-24 05:22:19 PM  
ga362: My telco is my ISP and is a cooperative. They have to answer to their members. Fairly cheap cable and internet.

Same here. I pay $40/month for uncapped DSL -- at night, I usually pull down 17 Mbps (downstream), and that's over the decades-old copper running to my house. They've also run fiber to the foundation and will be installing the in-home end later this winter, so it will get even faster. Plus, since it's a co-op, there's usually a nice big check waiting for me at the end of the year.

I weep for those who are stuck with the likes of Comcast.
 
2007-10-24 05:23:15 PM  
Valdes: Good. I for one am glad the cable companies are finally being able to dictate what their users are allowed to use the internet for. At the least, this will hopefully curtail the majority of the illegal downloading and other illegal activity on the internet.

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2007-10-24 05:24:16 PM  
I think the American systems are quite sad when it comes to infrastructure. Your cell networks, data networks, even mail networks, seem to be just shambles.

In Australia, our (formerly public) telco was partially privatised. They been fighting for years to be released from having to share their networks and infrastructure. The good news is we're getting competitors setting up their own infrastructure. The bad news is, eventually the major telco will get its way, and lets face it. For a lot of infrastructure, it is just not worth it for a competitor to set up their own.

I used to like to think that Im a small govt libertarian type, but I really do support regulation and govt intervention in services like power, water and communications.
 
2007-10-24 05:25:14 PM  
FIOS BABY. 30/10 for $39.95! Throttle free!

/ off for more Wilco bootlegs torrents!
 
2007-10-24 05:27:35 PM  
Valdes
Good. I for one am glad the cable companies are finally being able to dictate what their users are allowed to use the internet for. At the least, this will hopefully curtail the majority of the illegal downloading and other illegal activity on the internet.

You're trolling the comments thread of the wrong article. Good try though.
 
2007-10-24 05:27:40 PM  
bitteroldman: Sorry Subby but "free market" means the government doesn't meddle with it.It doesn't mean its the cheapest.

No, it doesn't mean that; that's called "anarchy". It means that there is free and open competition. And it often takes a lot of government regulation and enforcement to.accomplish that.

In the case of broadband Internet access, the US does not have a free market or anything close to it.
 
2007-10-24 05:28:32 PM  
It will just encourage alternative methods if they charge to much.

*Chuckle.*

You're cute.
 
2007-10-24 05:28:46 PM  
I suspect that most of the people disagreeing with me are probably illegally downloading movies or songs, anyway, or are the type of people Dateline NBC gives what they deserve.
 
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