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filth
2007-09-26 11:28:17 AM  
Good article, but where were you going with this headline, Submitter?
 
Bucky Katt [TotalFark]
2007-09-26 11:28:21 AM  
if we have to kill people to prove killing people is wrong, then bring back firing squads.
 
Bucky Katt [TotalFark]
2007-09-26 11:29:47 AM  
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Go Go Chinchilla!
2007-09-26 11:37:46 AM  
Bucky Katt: if we have to kill people to prove killing people is wrong, then bring back firing squads.

Why do that? Just lock 'em in a room with a glass of hemlock, a pistol, and a razor. Let them kill themselves, either actively, or passively by starving to death.
 
Snarfangel
2007-09-26 1:35:08 PM  
Can't we just use the same stuff we use with physician-assisted suicide?
 
soze [OhFark]
2007-09-26 2:07:35 PM  
There's no justice like Texas justice.
 
Sir Charles
2007-09-26 2:44:02 PM  
Bucky Katt: if we have to kill people to prove killing people is wrong, then bring back firing squads.

I don't think the death penalty is meant to 'prove' anything.
 
ernst_k
2007-09-26 2:44:38 PM  
I am not familiar with the U.S. criminal system. Can someone explain to me the reason why criminals who have been sentenced to death are held around for such a long time before they are executed?

Is it just in case somebody comes up with an exoneration?
 
WhatYouSay
2007-09-26 2:45:12 PM  
If a few threads down we have a discussion about the merits of killing spiders, then this is going to be good.
 
lacydog
2007-09-26 2:45:12 PM  
There's only one way of killing someone that's guaranteed to not cause them any pain. And that's to have them evaporated at ground zero when a nuclear bomb is set off.

/draw your own conclusions
 
wmoonfox
2007-09-26 2:45:15 PM  
Death by nitrogen narcosis: you simply slip into unconsciousness and quietly suffocate. No pain; no damaged organs; perfect.
 
SacriliciousBeerSwiller
2007-09-26 2:45:36 PM  
The whole argument in a nutshell:
Do you believe it's wrong to wrongfully execute an innocent man if in the process you kill 1000 guilty ones?

The answer to the question determine which side your on and invariably every debate on the topic comes down to this and stalemates.
 
thedodo
2007-09-26 2:46:14 PM  
Sir Charles: Bucky Katt: if we have to kill people to prove killing people is wrong, then bring back firing squads.

I don't think the death penalty is meant to 'prove' anything.

It is just the modern day equivalent of "eye for an eye". We've come a long way, baby. At least it'll be gone in the US by the time the next generation is into and out of office.
 
AV Guy
2007-09-26 2:46:27 PM  
ernst_k: I am not familiar with the U.S. criminal system. Can someone explain to me the reason why criminals who have been sentenced to death are held around for such a long time before they are executed?

Lawyers charge by the hour
 
Strength through Him
2007-09-26 2:46:28 PM  
dont do the CRIME if you cant stand the punishment.

i love how some people ignore the fact that the murder rate has gone down in every state not afraid to put these monsters out of this world and into hell.
 
Sir Charles
2007-09-26 2:46:44 PM  
wmoonfox: Death by nitrogen narcosis: you simply slip into unconsciousness and quietly suffocate. No pain; no damaged organs; perfect.

I believe the same can be done with helium and also carbon monoxide
 
snowcircle
2007-09-26 2:47:17 PM  
Sir Charles: Bucky Katt: if we have to kill people to prove killing people is wrong, then bring back firing squads.

I don't think the death penalty is meant to 'prove' anything.

I think that is part of the argument for CP. It helps serve as a reminder that if your state happens to allow it, and you do something stupid like kill a couple dozen people... we might just execute you for it. Can't use the Constanza excuse on that one.
 
Sir Charles
2007-09-26 2:47:23 PM  
thedodo: At least it'll be gone in the US by the time the next generation is into and out of office.

heh. I bet not.
 
SacriliciousBeerSwiller
2007-09-26 2:47:42 PM  
Also, if I were to be executed, I'd MUCH prefer firing squad or being shot in the back of the head. Messy? Perhaps. But it still seems more humane than any of these drawn out, borderline Rube Goldbergian processes.
 
Boobies!!!
2007-09-26 2:47:45 PM  
Michael Richard, 49, was put to death...

by hanging him upside-down with a fork in his ass.
 
Thisbymaster
2007-09-26 2:48:16 PM  
He had just gotten out of jail for murder of another person, then raped and murdered a mother of 7 children. PLEASE put a case together that tells me why this person should live?
 
LCuz
2007-09-26 2:48:48 PM  
It is not up to us to decide who lives and who dies. No matter the offence.
 
PUFTAS
2007-09-26 2:49:19 PM  
Yes. Every person ever put to death in Texas and currently on death row was and is guilty.
 
BoronCarbon
2007-09-26 2:49:33 PM  
ernst_k: I am not familiar with the U.S. criminal system. Can someone explain to me the reason why criminals who have been sentenced to death are held around for such a long time before they are executed?

Is it just in case somebody comes up with an exoneration?

I believe most states have automatic appeals on capitol punishment cases. These appeals have to be exhausted before the execution can take place. Also they may appeal on their own as well.
 
thedodo
2007-09-26 2:49:53 PM  
ernst_k: I am not familiar with the U.S. criminal system. Can someone explain to me the reason why criminals who have been sentenced to death are held around for such a long time before they are executed?

Is it just in case somebody comes up with an exoneration?

Basically. The time period allows for follow-up investigation of the case and for the prisoner to exhaust his appeals and other legal option, etc. It also has something to do with a substantial percentage of death penalty convictions being overturned due to botched investigations/dna evidence/etc.

There have been a few studies done that show it's cheaper for us to imprison people for life rather than put them to death, once legal fees are considered, but that doesn't sway the whole 'redemption killing' crowd.
 
Daffydil
2007-09-26 2:50:16 PM  
This thread WILL NOT end well..
 
dstanley [TotalFark]
2007-09-26 2:50:28 PM  
ernst_k: I am not familiar with the U.S. criminal system. Can someone explain to me the reason why criminals who have been sentenced to death are held around for such a long time before they are executed?

AV Guy: Lawyers charge by the hour

I laughed, but this is accurate, and part of the reason people are very frustrated with the justice system in this country.
 
WGC_CPhT
2007-09-26 2:50:38 PM  
Is it getting hotter in here?

/runs away from impending flamewar
 
Another Clever Name
2007-09-26 2:51:25 PM  
Go Go Chinchilla!: Bucky Katt: if we have to kill people to prove killing people is wrong, then bring back firing squads.

Why do that? Just lock 'em in a room with a glass of hemlock, a pistol, and a razor. Let them kill themselves, either actively, or passively by starving to death.

i definitely think hemlock should be brought back.

Also, 'corrupting the youth' should be an executable crime.
 
snowcircle
2007-09-26 2:51:42 PM  
We as humans, throughout history, used to execute people much much more nastily than a little injection of a poison that makes you fall asleep forever.

I still think the guillotine was probably the most humane, and quickest. Didn't take a few chops of the ax, didn't need a gun, nor poisons... Just place your head here and - Thwop. Next.
 
Shostie [TotalFark]
2007-09-26 2:51:45 PM  
Sir Charles: I believe the same can be done with helium and also carbon monoxide

Helium would be far, far funnier.
 
wmoonfox
2007-09-26 2:52:15 PM  
Sir Charles: I believe the same can be done with helium and also carbon monoxide

Carbon monoxide can damage the lungs -- no idea about helium. I just mentioned nitrogen because it's so easy to come by, and it's completely inert. Every organ in the body could be harvested for medical purposes to "repay the debt to society".
 
bubbaprog
2007-09-26 2:53:34 PM  
ernst_k: I am not familiar with the U.S. criminal system. Can someone explain to me the reason why criminals who have been sentenced to death are held around for such a long time before they are executed?

Is it just in case somebody comes up with an exoneration?

Because hundreds of people who have been sentenced to death have been exonerated after appeals showed they were falsely accused?

Because we have a government of the people and in most states (apparently not Texas) people do not want to have a hand in killing innocent people?
 
BoronCarbon
2007-09-26 2:53:43 PM  
thedodo: Basically. The time period allows for follow-up investigation of the case and for the prisoner to exhaust his appeals and other legal option, etc. It also has something to do with a substantial percentage of death penalty convictions being overturned due to botched investigations/dna evidence/etc.

There have been a few studies done that show it's cheaper for us to imprison people for life rather than put them to death, once legal fees are considered, but that doesn't sway the whole 'redemption killing' crowd.

Yarr, got you by 20 seconds. However your reply was more through and eliquant, er eliquite... equine? Screw it. "It was better."
 
milk_plus
2007-09-26 2:54:21 PM  
lacydog: There's only one way of killing someone that's guaranteed to not cause them any pain. And that's to have them evaporated at ground zero when a nuclear bomb is set off.

/draw your own conclusions

... or it gives them superpowers. I don't think the answer to our problems is a small army of mentally retarded nuclear super villains from Texas.
 
Shaggy_C
2007-09-26 2:54:29 PM  
Lethal injection is the most humane way to end someone's life that there is. It is better than hanging, firing squads, electric chair, or crucifixion.

Some people cannot exist in society because they are too much of a danger to themselves and others. It should not be the responsibility of the rest of society to pay for their continued existence.

My suggestions:
1) Throw them out of the country a la Australia under Great Britain
2) End their life

I don't understand the pity for convicted murderers.
 
ItchyMcknobster
2007-09-26 2:55:05 PM  
thedodo: Sir Charles: Bucky Katt: if we have to kill people to prove killing people is wrong, then bring back firing squads.

I don't think the death penalty is meant to 'prove' anything.

It is just the modern day equivalent of "eye for an eye". We've come a long way, baby. At least it'll be gone in the US by the time the next generation is into and out of office.

Negative. If is a consequence for an action. You know, holding people accountable for their actions? I know, I know, not a popular thing nowadays.

It's not an eye for and eye, it's not meant to be preventative (although stats show it does work to some extent), it's simply a punishment.

Don't like it? Don't kill or rape anyone.
 
darisd
2007-09-26 2:55:22 PM  
Strength through Him: dont do the CRIME if you cant stand the punishment.

So I assume you have some perfect, idiot proof way of determining guilt?
 
GoldenSpiral
2007-09-26 2:55:28 PM  
SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Also, if I were to be executed, I'd MUCH prefer firing squad or being shot in the back of the head. Messy? Perhaps. But it still seems more humane than any of these drawn out, borderline Rube Goldbergian processes.

I don't know, if I were being executed, I'd like to die when the executioner sets off a mousetrap, which pulls a string, swinging a hammer that knocks a bowling ball down a chute, and lands on a see-saw lever, launching a water balloon that lands in a bucket on a string, the weight causing the bucket to fall and tighten the string, pulling the trigger of a gun aimed at my head.

best of both worlds!
 
thedodo
2007-09-26 2:55:46 PM  
BoronCarbon: Yarr, got you by 20 seconds. However your reply was more through and eliquant, er eliquite... equine? Screw it. "It was better."

Yes, but I missed the automatic appeal part. Combine the two posts, we'll call it a more complete point!
 
ForTheWin
2007-09-26 2:56:04 PM  
thedodo
It is just the modern day equivalent of "eye for an eye". We've come a long way, baby. At least it'll be gone in the US by the time the next generation is into and out of office.

And then our prisons can be even more overcrowded. Sweet.

There are some things that people need to be killed for. Serial killers come to mind. If you're mentally unsound enough that killing multiple people and mutilating their bodies at the request of a dog seems like a good idea it's probably best for everyone if you're out of circulation.

That said, we need to stop sending people to prison for BS. Some drug crimes come to mind.
 
Jeff [TotalFark]
2007-09-26 2:56:39 PM  
Now that we no longer have a means to remove the undesirables from our society, we put them in jail and on rare occasions put them to death.

It would be nice if there was another way, but I can't think of one that doesn't step us outside our current societal boundaries.
 
darisd
2007-09-26 2:56:40 PM  
LCuz: It is not up to us to decide who lives and who dies. No matter the offence.

THIS
 
debug
2007-09-26 2:56:46 PM  
LCuz: It is not up to us to decide who lives and who dies. No matter the offence.

Who told you that lie?
 
Ashrams
2007-09-26 2:57:26 PM  
snowcircle: We as humans, throughout history, used to execute people much much more nastily than a little injection of a poison that makes you fall asleep forever.

I still think the guillotine was probably the most humane, and quickest. Didn't take a few chops of the ax, didn't need a gun, nor poisons... Just place your head here and - Thwop. Next.

"
When people were put through the guillotine, there were reports of their mouths opening in screams and their eyes blinking. There are still electrical impulses flowing through the nerves.
"

I like the way you think.
 
monsignorguru
2007-09-26 2:57:47 PM  
I want actual statistics on both sides.

/come out swinging and have a good flamewar
//ding ding
 
nm
2007-09-26 2:58:05 PM  
ernst_k: I am not familiar with the U.S. criminal system. Can someone explain to me the reason why criminals who have been sentenced to death are held around for such a long time before they are executed?

Is it just in case somebody comes up with an exoneration?
Because we have a problem with convicting innocent men.
See Illinois.
 
schiefaw
2007-09-26 2:58:18 PM  
snowcircle: We as humans, throughout history, used to execute people much much more nastily than a little injection of a poison that makes you fall asleep forever.

I still think the guillotine was probably the most humane, and quickest. Didn't take a few chops of the ax, didn't need a gun, nor poisons... Just place your head here and - Thwop. Next.

Biological hazard. You would have to pay a fortune to decontaminate the area to OSHA standards.

/Kidding
//Or AM I?!!!!
 
kirbeep
2007-09-26 2:58:48 PM  
It is not up to us to decide who lives and who dies. No matter the offence.

Offence? Why do you hate America?
 
Anarchangel
2007-09-26 2:58:54 PM  
Strength through Him

From your profile:

I Believe:

Jesus Christ is my personal savior and died for my sins.

Evolution is inhereintly flawed and promoted by liberals and athiests in order to take down God.

Homosex is a sin, and sin is a choice.

I believe you're insane.
 
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