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(Slate)   Hillary Clinton, yesterday: "The GOP is responsible for a lot of destructive talk about Latinos." April, 2006: "I'm sick of seeing illegal immigrants standing around on street corners looking for yard work"   (slate.com) divider line
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sithon
2007-09-17 6:00:13 PM  
she didn't say latinos.
 
oxxymoron
2007-09-17 6:05:35 PM  
When will people wake up and realize that any politician, anywhere, anytime, will say whatever is politically expedient? This should be no surprise to anyone.
 
quadropheniac
2007-09-17 6:19:03 PM  
Hillary Clinton yesterday: *Something that makes her look good in that company*

Hillary Clinton today: *Something that makers he look good in that company, regardless of what she may have previously said*

/that woman is the definition of a greasy politician
 
Knucklepopper
2007-09-17 6:21:43 PM  
Meh. Bad example of flip-flopping. Both statements are correct and don't necessarily cancel each other out.
People really do congregate at day-labor pick up spots. This is not a solution to our immigration problems. And the GOP really has fostered a lot of shiat-talk about Latinos. Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter come to mind.
 
Dinki [recently expired TotalFark]
2007-09-17 6:23:29 PM  
Knucklepopper: Meh. Bad example of flip-flopping.

Yes but it's Hillary, so immediately all the wingnuts start foaming at the mouth.
 
Knucklepopper
2007-09-17 6:33:48 PM  
Dinki: Yes but it's Hillary, so immediately all the wingnuts start foaming at the mouth.

Heh. You're right.

FACTS BE DAMNED, I HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT HILLARY!!!
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r-u-n-n o-f-t
2007-09-17 6:51:35 PM  
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RosevilleDan [TotalFark]
2007-09-17 6:53:35 PM  
Seriously, Dumbmitter. With all of the flip-flops out there from almost anyone in politics, how did you settle on this one?

It really does not do what you want it to do, Farkwad.
 
r-u-n-n o-f-t
2007-09-17 6:56:55 PM  
quadropheniac
RosevilleDan

....b-b-b-but Bush
 
BravadoGT
2007-09-17 7:04:21 PM  
Hillary will say whatever she thinks her audience at that moment wants to hear.
 
CowboyNinjaD
2007-09-17 7:09:30 PM  
"I'm sick of seeing illegal immigrants standing around on street corners looking for yard work."

=/=

"Look at what has happened to Miami. It has become a Third World country. You just pick it up and take it and move it someplace. You would never know you're in the United States of America. You would certainly say you're in a Third World country."

I mean, look at this dump:
threebestbeaches.comView Full Size
 
pnjunction
2007-09-17 7:13:03 PM  
CowboyNinjaD: I mean, look at this dump:

Some third-world countries have beaches too. I've never been, but she might be referring to everything besides the beach area being a dump, as in a third-world country.
 
BurningUrine
2007-09-17 7:16:05 PM  
they're not white people so its farking safe to talk shiat about them, at least thats the farking neocoont philosophy.

and i cant stand hillary, she voted for the murder party in iraq and should be held accountable for all the millions of innocent iraqis our mercenary military has killed over there.
 
Poopspasm
2007-09-17 7:16:19 PM  
Hillary + Illegal Immigrants. This should go well.

Is this where we get to call out all the righties for having Hillary Derangement Syndrome?

SHE SEZ WUT YOU THINK AND YOU CANT EVEN AGREE WITH HUR THEN?!?!!1?1!?!11ELEVEN?
 
Eddie Adams from Torrance
2007-09-17 7:16:29 PM  
BravadoGT: Hillary Any politician who wishes to get elected President will has to say whatever he or she thinks her audience at that moment wants to hear.

Unfortunate, but true.
 
CerealCode
2007-09-17 7:16:49 PM  
pnjunction: Some third-world countries have beaches too.

This.
 
Thrag
2007-09-17 7:17:12 PM  
Hmm, I guess submitter is one of those people who don't realize there is indeed a difference between "Latinos" and "Illegal Immigrants". There's a word for people like that, I think it's bigot or republican or something similar.
 
Poopspasm
2007-09-17 7:18:17 PM  
Thrag: I think it's bigot or republican or something similar.

But you repeat yourself.
 
boxster
2007-09-17 7:19:03 PM  
"illegal immigrants" = "Latinos"?

Better tell the illegals from southeast Asia, etc., that they're legal now.
 
Hideously Gigantic Smurf
2007-09-17 7:20:14 PM  
Solution: More yards!
 
Crude
2007-09-17 7:20:58 PM  
Hypocrisy? From a Democrat??

Is this from Faux News???

/I'm just gonna wait until some evil Republican taps his foot.
//Then we'll have some news for like a week or two.
 
FuriousGeorge945
2007-09-17 7:22:57 PM  
Nice try, submitter. Excellent job completely making up a quote to make her look worse.

Headline quote: "I'm sick of seeing illegals standing around on street corners looking for yard work"
ACTUAL quote: "People have to stop employing illegal immigrants. ... I mean, come up to Westchester, go to Suffolk and Nassau counties, stand on the street corners in Brooklyn or the Bronx; you're going to see loads of people waiting to get picked up to go do yard work and construction work and domestic work."

There's nothing racist about the actual quote, whereas the headline quote seems to imply that she's disgusted by the sight of brown people waiting on the corner looking for work.

Also, I can't farking stand Kaus... He's like Slate's Lou Dobbs, except he thankfully gets much less coverage.
 
FuriousGeorge945
2007-09-17 7:24:59 PM  
r-u-n-n o-f-t: quadropheniac
RosevilleDan

....b-b-b-but Bush

I don't think that means what you think it means.

Some words of advice: stick to just posting retarded pictures that contribute nothing to the thread; when you actually try to say something you only make yourself look even dumber.
 
BravadoGT
2007-09-17 7:27:05 PM  
Eddie Adams from Torrance: BravadoGT: Hillary Any politician who wishes to get elected President will has to say whatever he or she thinks her audience at that moment wants to hear.

Unfortunate, but true.

I gotta disagree. There are a LOT of politicians who do. But there are still principled people out there. I think Hillary is a power-obsessed shrew who will do or say whatever it takes to be president-period. Once she's in-who knows what she'd actually do?

But in contrast, look at someone like Dennis Kucinich. I disagree with that moonbat on just about everything he says. But he IS principled. He doesn't change his message to accommodate the winds of the moment. He doesn't try to appear to be "more conservative," or "more liberal," or whatever the daily polls say he should be. He delivers his (looney) message consistently, and sincerely. So although I would NEVER vote for the guy-I respect him for that.
 
poot_rootbeer
2007-09-17 7:27:17 PM  
B-b-but Hillary Clinton?
 
wowzer97pooh
2007-09-17 7:27:55 PM  
Hilary Clinton--and any other candidate--will lose the Presidency if they are not hard on crime and hard on illegal aliens. If they run a "feel good" candidate that thinks illegals are the same as legal immigrants, we are gonna have 4 more years of a Republican White House.
 
wowzer97pooh
2007-09-17 7:29:03 PM  
BravadoGT: Eddie Adams from Torrance: BravadoGT: Hillary Any politician who wishes to get elected President will has to say whatever he or she thinks her audience at that moment wants to hear.

Unfortunate, but true.

I gotta disagree. There are a LOT of politicians who do. But there are still principled people out there. I think Hillary is a power-obsessed shrew who will do or say whatever it takes to be president-period. Once she's in-who knows what she'd actually do?

But in contrast, look at someone like Dennis Kucinich. I disagree with that moonbat on just about everything he says. But he IS principled. He doesn't change his message to accommodate the winds of the moment. He doesn't try to appear to be "more conservative," or "more liberal," or whatever the daily polls say he should be. He delivers his (looney) message consistently, and sincerely. So although I would NEVER vote for the guy-I respect him for that.

Kucinich wants to ban depleted uranium in the US military so he's got that going for him.
 
BravadoGT
2007-09-17 7:30:40 PM  
wowzer97pooh: BravadoGT: Eddie Adams from Torrance: BravadoGT: Hillary Any politician who wishes to get elected President will has to say whatever he or she thinks her audience at that moment wants to hear.

Unfortunate, but true.

I gotta disagree. There are a LOT of politicians who do. But there are still principled people out there. I think Hillary is a power-obsessed shrew who will do or say whatever it takes to be president-period. Once she's in-who knows what she'd actually do?

But in contrast, look at someone like Dennis Kucinich. I disagree with that moonbat on just about everything he says. But he IS principled. He doesn't change his message to accommodate the winds of the moment. He doesn't try to appear to be "more conservative," or "more liberal," or whatever the daily polls say he should be. He delivers his (looney) message consistently, and sincerely. So although I would NEVER vote for the guy-I respect him for that.

Kucinich wants to ban depleted uranium in the US military so he's got that going for him.

He'd replace the US military with barefoot hippies handing out daisies if he got the chance...
 
Hideously Gigantic Smurf
2007-09-17 7:30:43 PM  
Crude: Hypocrisy? From a Democrat??

When a Democrat lies, it costs money.
When a Republican lies, it costs lives.

AMERICA: Your money or your life!
 
mongbiohazard
2007-09-17 7:30:56 PM  
Thrag: Hmm, I guess submitter is one of those people who don't realize there is indeed a difference between "Latinos" and "Illegal Immigrants". There's a word for people like that, I think it's bigot or republican or something similar.


The word you're searching for is "leftist" - since deliberately confusing the two concepts is the left's usual method of attacking the right's immigration policies.

No matter how much we explain that we don't care about the race of the immigrants, just that we need to make sure we have SOME modicum of screening and legality in the process - it always seems to end with our opponents screaming "racism" over it. Just look at any Fark thread about illegal immigration.

It's a pretty common tactic. Republican talks about how we desperately need to take action on illegal immigration, Democrat or "Hispanic activist" complains about how Republicans are being "unfriendly" to Hispanic people with their anti-illegal immigration policies and are racist - successfully confusing the two seperate concepts. In fact, you can see that in the quoted exchange in TFA.

But... it's not racism when a leftist talks about illegal immigration, apparently.

Oh, and "meh". Would I be surprised a transparently cynical politician contradicted herself at some point? No. In fact, I'm not much surprised when most politicians contradict themselves... Most of them are pretty cynical.

/pro-increased immigration - but only LEGAL immigration
//it's still not racism, sorry guys
 
beerbaron
2007-09-17 7:31:00 PM  
Thrag: Hmm, I guess submitter is one of those people who don't realize there is indeed a difference between "Latinos" and "Illegal Immigrants". There's a word for people like that, I think it's bigot or republican or something similar.

No, those people are called liberals who want to stigmatize folks (including many Latino citizens) who think the law should be upheld.
 
FuriousGeorge945
2007-09-17 7:31:00 PM  
BravadoGT: But in contrast, look at someone like Dennis Kucinich. I disagree with that moonbat on just about everything he says. But he IS principled. He doesn't change his message to accommodate the winds of the moment. He doesn't try to appear to be "more conservative," or "more liberal," or whatever the daily polls say he should be. He delivers his (looney) message consistently, and sincerely. So although I would NEVER vote for the guy-I respect him for that.

But its a chicken/egg scenario with candidates like Kucinich when it comes to national elections. Does he have no chance in hell of winning because he speaks his mind and doesn't pander to audiences to get votes, or does he speak his mind and not pander to audiences because he has no chance in hell of winning anyway?
 
BurningUrine
2007-09-17 7:31:22 PM  
Kucinich wants to ban depleted uranium in the US military so he's got that going for him.


we need to just ban the farking military, hand our defense over to the U.N. who may be able to at least use it to help people rather than murder innocents for farking oil.
 
wowzer97pooh
2007-09-17 7:32:16 PM  
BravadoGT: wowzer97pooh: BravadoGT: Eddie Adams from Torrance: BravadoGT: Hillary Any politician who wishes to get elected President will has to say whatever he or she thinks her audience at that moment wants to hear.

Unfortunate, but true.

I gotta disagree. There are a LOT of politicians who do. But there are still principled people out there. I think Hillary is a power-obsessed shrew who will do or say whatever it takes to be president-period. Once she's in-who knows what she'd actually do?

But in contrast, look at someone like Dennis Kucinich. I disagree with that moonbat on just about everything he says. But he IS principled. He doesn't change his message to accommodate the winds of the moment. He doesn't try to appear to be "more conservative," or "more liberal," or whatever the daily polls say he should be. He delivers his (looney) message consistently, and sincerely. So although I would NEVER vote for the guy-I respect him for that.

Kucinich wants to ban depleted uranium in the US military so he's got that going for him.

He'd replace the US military with barefoot hippies handing out daisies if he got the chance...

But those patriotic hippies wouldn't have daisies coated with depleted uranium, so he's got that going for him...
 
CowboyNinjaD
2007-09-17 7:32:55 PM  
pnjunction: Some third-world countries have beaches too.

Like this?
adamjones.freeservers.comView Full Size

(Haiti)

I've never been, but she might be referring to everything besides the beach area being a dump, as in a third-world country.

The second quote isn't from Hillary. It's from Tom Tancredo. Miami has some rough areas but nothing like that Haitian fishing village.
 
Hideously Gigantic Smurf
2007-09-17 7:33:39 PM  
BurningUrine: Kucinich wants to ban depleted uranium in the US military so he's got that going for him.


we need to just ban the farking military, hand our defense over to the U.N. who may be able to at least use it to help people rather than murder innocents for farking oil.

.......
.......
.......
... THIS MAN DOES NOT REPRESENT US!
 
boomaze
2007-09-17 7:34:55 PM  
mongbiohazard
The word you're searching for is "leftist" - since deliberately confusing the two concepts is the left's usual method of attacking the right's immigration policies.

No matter how much we explain that we don't care about the race of the immigrants, just that we need to make sure we have SOME modicum of screening and legality in the process - it always seems to end with our opponents screaming "racism" over it. Just look at any Fark thread about illegal immigration.

It's a pretty common tactic. Republican talks about how we desperately need to take action on illegal immigration, Democrat or "Hispanic activist" complains about how Republicans are being "unfriendly" to Hispanic people with their anti-illegal immigration policies and are racist - successfully confusing the two seperate concepts. In fact, you can see that in the quoted exchange in TFA.

But... it's not racism when a leftist talks about illegal immigration, apparently.

Oh, and "meh". Would I be surprised a transparently cynical politician contradicted herself at some point? No. In fact, I'm not much surprised when most politicians contradict themselves... Most of them are pretty cynical.

/pro-increased immigration - but only LEGAL immigration
//it's still not racism, sorry guys

Why doesn't/didn't the repubs in control start arresting white people that employ these guys? The laws are there. If you'd just enforce the law as it is, illegal immigration could be over TOMMOROW. But, that would mean arresting TONS of nice white people. Tell how this statement is false, and I'll buy that the Republican leadership doesn't pander to racism.
 
beerbaron
2007-09-17 7:36:17 PM  
mongbiohazard- You were there first, and you were there better.
 
Eddie Adams from Torrance
2007-09-17 7:36:20 PM  
BravadoGT: Eddie Adams from Torrance: BravadoGT: Hillary Any politician who wishes to get elected President will has to say whatever he or she thinks her audience at that moment wants to hear.

Unfortunate, but true.

I gotta disagree. There are a LOT of politicians who do. But there are still principled people out there. I think Hillary is a power-obsessed shrew who will do or say whatever it takes to be president-period. Once she's in-who knows what she'd actually do?

But in contrast, look at someone like Dennis Kucinich. I disagree with that moonbat on just about everything he says. But he IS principled. He doesn't change his message to accommodate the winds of the moment. He doesn't try to appear to be "more conservative," or "more liberal," or whatever the daily polls say he should be. He delivers his (looney) message consistently, and sincerely. So although I would NEVER vote for the guy-I respect him for that.

Interesting you'd mention Kucinich. I agree with him on a number of issues (and disagree on plenty too) The point I was trying to make (and Kucinich makes it nicely) is that if you don't pile on the bullshiat, you're unelectable.
 
beerbaron
2007-09-17 7:37:08 PM  
boomaze: Why doesn't/didn't the repubs in control start arresting white people that employ these guys?

If only. I would totally support that.
 
wowzer97pooh
2007-09-17 7:37:34 PM  
Why doesn't/didn't the repubs in control start arresting white people that employ these guys? The laws are there. If you'd just enforce the law as it is, illegal immigration could be over TOMMOROW. But, that would mean arresting TONS of nice white people. Tell how this statement is false, and I'll buy that the Republican leadership doesn't pander to racism.

The Bush administration in pro-business, not pro-America.

For every off-the-book illegal employee, a business makes a lot of profit. Also, Social Security doesn't receive taxes from either the business or the illegal employee.

What a deal.
 
srtpointman
2007-09-17 7:39:16 PM  
Uh oh, now all the dems are gonna get pissy with Subby for picking on Hillary. But it woulda been ok if it was a republican, right guys?
 
FuriousGeorge945
2007-09-17 7:39:26 PM  
Before this thread goes any further I'd like to again emphasize what I pointed out earlier:
The second quote in the headline is NOT AN ACTUAL HILLARY QUOTE.

Does anyone even read the articles anymore?

Hideously Gigantic Smurf: ... THIS MAN DOES NOT REPRESENT US!

If you look at any of his other posts you'll see he's either a troll or a seriously deranged truther.. Either way, there's no reason to pay any attention to him.
 
Geotpf
2007-09-17 7:40:47 PM  
It doesn't matter.

The Republicans blew it, and they know it, and the Democrats know it.

Before the anti-illegal immigrant Proposition 187 passed in 1994, California was, at best, a purple state. Remember that Nixon and Reagan were both governors here.

After proposition 187 passed, California became permanently blue, because a whole bunch of Latinos who were citizens but didn't previously vote started to do so (or became citizens so they could vote), and voted straight Democratic tickets .

The Republicans loved losing California so much they decided to replicate this particular trick throughout the entire country, with the border fence and crap. Why do you think Bush was against this? Because Rove was screaming up and down that it was a bad idea.

The Democrats have never been particularly good at winning elections. However, all of a sudden, the Republicans have been particularly good at losing them.
 
boomaze
2007-09-17 7:41:11 PM  
wowzer97pooh

The Bush administration in pro-business, not pro-America.

For every off-the-book illegal employee, a business makes a lot of profit. Also, Social Security doesn't receive taxes from either the business or the illegal employee.

What a deal.

Yep. this is so obvious that everytime somebody mentions illegal immigration without just asking why the laws now aren't enforced, I realize that they have no business voting. They are total sheep. This is one of the biggest lies going.
 
beerbaron
2007-09-17 7:42:14 PM  
And what about the ancillary crimes that are part and parcel of illegal presence in the US? Chief among these is identity theft. I think some of the illegal alien defenders/Republican bashers in this thread would be singing a different tune when one of these dudes wrecks their credit, gets them in trouble with the IRS, etc. Or maybe you would like a nuke that was smuggled in over the porous border to be detonated in your town.

This is not a partisan issue. Both parties are against the citizen.
 
Poopspasm
2007-09-17 7:44:58 PM  
FuriousGeorge945: ACTUAL quote: "People have to stop employing illegal immigrants. ... I mean, come up to Westchester, go to Suffolk and Nassau counties, stand on the street corners in Brooklyn or the Bronx; you're going to see loads of people waiting to get picked up to go do yard work and construction work and domestic work."

beerbaron, mongbiophazard do either one of you two dumbasses want to still make her out to be a racist? As it turns out, Subby was simply lying his Republican ass off. I'm sure you two will admit the error of your ways, right?
 
wowzer97pooh
2007-09-17 7:45:02 PM  
Geotpf: It doesn't matter.

The Republicans blew it, and they know it, and the Democrats know it.

Before the anti-illegal immigrant Proposition 187 passed in 1994, California was, at best, a purple state. Remember that Nixon and Reagan were both governors here.

After proposition 187 passed, California became permanently blue, because a whole bunch of Latinos who were citizens but didn't previously vote started to do so (or became citizens so they could vote), and voted straight Democratic tickets .

The Republicans loved losing California so much they decided to replicate this particular trick throughout the entire country, with the border fence and crap. Why do you think Bush was against this? Because Rove was screaming up and down that it was a bad idea.

The Democrats have never been particularly good at winning elections. However, all of a sudden, the Republicans have been particularly good at losing them.

Like I said, if the Democrats run someone who isn't tough on crime and tough on illegal aliens, the Republicans are going to win the White House. You can't imagine how angry people are in this country about illegals living here.
 
skinnycatullus [recently expired TotalFark]
2007-09-17 7:45:36 PM  
He'd replace the US military with barefoot hippies handing out daisies if he got the chance...

You've obviously never listened to him. Being opposed to this completely farked up farce of a war in Iraq does not equal being a hippie. He would use our military as it was intended to be used: to defend us.
 
VitruvianMonkey
2007-09-17 7:47:26 PM  
mongbiohazard: It's a pretty common tactic. Republican talks about how we desperately need to take action on illegal immigration, Democrat or "Hispanic activist" complains about how Republicans are being "unfriendly" to Hispanic people with their anti-illegal immigration policies and are racist - successfully confusing the two seperate concepts.

Then what's up with the quotes around hispanic activists being in quotations?! Quotation marks generally denote a QUOTE or are used to say "I don't really believe this exists, it's just what some people call it."
 
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