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(ABC News)   Surprise: Hillary and Obama both vow not to travel by hitching rides on expensive corporate jets. No surprise: So they're chartering much more expensive private jets instead   (abcnews.go.com) divider line
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2007-08-27 6:48:40 PM  
So you would rather they flew on corporate jets and be even more beholden to the corporations? help me out here Smitty.
 
2007-08-27 6:52:56 PM  
Vote Republican in 2008 and be a butt licking toady like submitter.
 
2007-08-27 6:54:05 PM  
As much as I dislike politicians, this really is a lose-lose situation for them.

Problem: Various meetings, campaign locations, and events to attend across the country.

Solution: Fly.

Problem: If they fly in corporate jets, they're supporting coporations. If they fly private jets, they're wasting money/resources. In fact, if they fly at all, they're abusing the environment.

Solution: ???
 
2007-08-27 6:55:02 PM  
Well do you want them indebted to corporations or do you want them using campaign contributions to fly everywhere. It's not like they an take a bicycle and go to each debate and public appearance.
 
2007-08-27 7:01:57 PM  
They can fly commercial, like the rest of us. Works for Ron Paul.
 
2007-08-27 7:16:57 PM  
Why fly anywhere? Does anyone think these stupid campaign stops for a TV sound bite make a shred of difference to the voters?

"Obama flew to Iowa and talked to some corn farmers for 30 minutes. Damn right I'm going to vote for him now!"

Yeah right...
 
2007-08-27 7:20:27 PM  
Gwendolyn: Well do you want them indebted to corporations or do you want them using campaign contributions to fly everywhere. It's not like they an take a bicycle and go to each debate and public appearance.

Who says they're indebted? This is something I've never understood. If I were a politician, I'd say very clearly, "I will accept anything you offer me (so long as it is legal to do so), but understand that I view it as an endorsement of my policies, not an arrangement to promote yours. If you don't like that, then GTFO."

Just because someone gets a lift on the Target Jet from MN to CA doesn't mean they're going to be sucking off the CEOs after election day.
 
2007-08-27 7:35:27 PM  
If I had the stigma of a (D) next to my name I'd be afraid of public transportation, some genius "conservative" would be waiting to get an open shot at me.
 
2007-08-27 7:40:08 PM  
shanec2000: Who says they're indebted?

Enron
 
2007-08-27 7:49:34 PM  
I really admire the republicans for traveling via hang glider.
 
2007-08-27 8:07:50 PM  
When is Al Gore going to take them to the woodshed?

I'll be over here, holding my breath...
 
2007-08-27 8:16:08 PM  
Ah, the 18%ers speak...
 
2007-08-27 8:19:24 PM  
Gwendolyn:

"Enron"

Yeah, except when Enron called the Whitehouse asking to be bailed out they were told to f*ck off.
 
2007-08-27 8:50:27 PM  
Churchill2004: Works for Ron Paul.

If 'not winning' is the definition of 'works'...
 
2007-08-27 9:08:15 PM  
Trinilos: As much as I dislike politicians, this really is a lose-lose situation for them.

Problem: Various meetings, campaign locations, and events to attend across the country.

Solution: Fly.

Problem: If they fly in corporate jets, they're supporting coporations. If they fly private jets, they're wasting money/resources. In fact, if they fly at all, they're abusing the environment.

Solution: ???


Lots of commercial flights everyday. They are good enough for the rest of us.
 
2007-08-27 9:15:44 PM  
DoBeDoBeDo: Lots of commercial flights everyday. They are good enough for the rest of us.

They should probably ditch their secret service details, too. I mean, that's also good enough for the rest of us, isn't it?
 
2007-08-27 9:29:05 PM  
Afternoon Delight: There's no waste like liberal waste
 
2007-08-27 9:39:44 PM  
Churchill2004: They can fly commercial, like the rest of us. Works for Ron Paul.

Thanks but my security screening wait is long enough without a secret service scrubdown.
 
2007-08-27 9:42:46 PM  
Churchill2004: They can fly commercial, like the rest of us. Works for Ron Paul.

I mean, this right here is retarded.

People with sufficient funds should be able to pay for whatever they want to pay for. That's the libertarian way, right Churchill2004? Should Bill Gates, or Richard Branson, or Carlos Slim, or Shaquille O'Neal have to fly commercial? If Billary and Hussein have access to the funds, what the problem?

I think that with Ron Paul, you're confusing "chooses to fly commercial" with "has to fly commercial."
 
2007-08-27 9:47:57 PM  
Here is the unfortunate truth about Obama. He actually has a special protection detail. USSS have addressed several threats against him just because he is black. I actually worry about him and his family. It seems people can handle black congress people and senators, but mention the White House and red necks get even dumber. It really is not safe for him to travel commercial while on the campaign. So in this case, I have no problem with the expenditure. For him, it is not a luxury.
 
2007-08-27 9:48:35 PM  
Churchill2004: Works for Ron Paul.

TheOther: If 'not winning' is the definition of 'works'...

It's pretty much guaranteed that either Hillary or Obama will lose the primaries, so it's clearly not working for at least one of them.
 
2007-08-27 10:01:12 PM  
It's pretty much guaranteed that either Hillary or Obama will lose the primaries, so it's clearly not working for at least one of them.

That would still be a 50% win-rate. Flying commercial is pretty much guaranteed 100% Fail.
 
2007-08-27 10:05:18 PM  
TheOther: It's pretty much guaranteed that either Hillary or Obama will lose the primaries, so it's clearly not working for at least one of them.

That would still be a 50% win-rate. Flying commercial is pretty much guaranteed 100% Fail.


Not to mention, you'd have to rub elbows will all those little people that you really do love to help--just from afar...
 
2007-08-27 10:17:07 PM  
Non-issue.

Reminder that Hillary and Obama have raised 3x more money than the entire GOP field combined.

/suck it, coach-flyin' wingnuts.
 
2007-08-27 10:27:57 PM  
Uhh and this is a big deal why?
 
2007-08-27 10:29:23 PM  
Churchill2004:

They can fly commercial, like the rest of us. Works for Ron Paul.


I could be mistaken, but I have a suspicion both Clinton and Obama are running on slightly busier, tighter schedules than Mr. Paul, with perhaps a skosh bigger traveling parties. You're comparing apples and kumquats.
 
2007-08-27 10:29:36 PM  
Churchill2004: They can fly commercial, like the rest of us. Works for Ron Paul.

That's because nobody recognizes him in an airport.
 
2007-08-27 10:29:49 PM  
Churchill2004: They can fly commercial, like the rest of us. Works for Ron Paul.

Define "works".
 
2007-08-27 10:31:21 PM  
Bladel: Non-issue.

Reminder that Hillary and Obama have raised 3x more money than the entire GOP field combined.

/suck it, coach-flyin' wingnuts.


So basically, these Dem candidates are rich people, raising money from other rich people, and then running on the idea that the GOP is for rich people?

Yeah, you'd have to be a real wingnut not to gobble that one up...
 
2007-08-27 10:32:59 PM  
BravadoGT: Not to mention, you'd have to rub elbows will all those little people that you really do love to help--just from afar...

You're on to something here. In addition to flying commercial, they should reside in a place that the public has free access to for the majority of the day. Nothing intrusive mind you, but some place that the public can keep an eye on them and address them vocally if they desire.

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We all know that their claims to desire a little privacy are just excuses to avoid the common man...
 
2007-08-27 10:36:40 PM  
Jon Snow: BravadoGT: Not to mention, you'd have to rub elbows will all those little people that you really do love to help--just from afar...

You're on to something here. In addition to flying commercial, they should reside in a place that the public has free access to for the majority of the day. Nothing intrusive mind you, but some place that the public can keep an eye on them and address them vocally if they desire.

We all know that their claims to desire a little privacy are just excuses to avoid the common man...


I'd settle for a little Q&A now and then where the questions and audiences aren't meticulously hand-picked by the candidate...
 
2007-08-27 10:39:15 PM  
 
2007-08-27 10:39:52 PM  
They could fly commercial but they have staff and secret service too. that cost would probably come close to a charter. and it would also make for a heightened security risk for the commercial jet.

It's just not practical.

But don't let that stop you from taking an unintellectual position there subby.
 
2007-08-27 10:40:23 PM  
spamdog: BravadoGT: So basically, these Dem candidates are rich people, raising money from other rich people, and then running on the idea that the GOP is for rich people?

Yeah, you'd have to be a real wingnut not to gobble that one up...

Sure, I'll listen to what a Bush supporter has to say. I mean, you guys are a great judge of character.


a fascinating non-sequitur...
 
2007-08-27 10:43:17 PM  
BravadoGT: I'd settle for a little Q&A now and then where the questions and audiences aren't meticulously hand-picked by the candidate...

What kind of moron would agree to that? Seriously, that's a nice dream, but it's a sucker's bet for any candidate serious about winning to actually take. It's as naive as saying that a Presidential candidate should go door to door and visit with ordinary Americans. The sentiment is nice, but it doesn't make any sense for them to do it and the potential consequences are huge.
 
2007-08-27 10:45:46 PM  
Trinilos: As much as I dislike politicians, this really is a lose-lose situation for them.

[...]

Solution: ???


Quit politics and find honorable work.
 
2007-08-27 10:46:27 PM  
BravadoGT:: So basically, these Dem candidates are rich people, raising money from other rich people, and then running on the idea that the GOP is for rich people?

The Dems get a lot more money from the little people than the GOP.
 
2007-08-27 10:47:13 PM  
 
2007-08-27 10:48:19 PM  
Come on, people. These are potential presidential candidates here. They have a crapload of places they have to be. I don't hold it against any of them.
You would do the same.
 
2007-08-27 10:48:26 PM  
Jon Snow: BravadoGT: I'd settle for a little Q&A now and then where the questions and audiences aren't meticulously hand-picked by the candidate...

What kind of moron would agree to that? Seriously, that's a nice dream, but it's a sucker's bet for any candidate serious about winning to actually take. It's as naive as saying that a Presidential candidate should go door to door and visit with ordinary Americans. The sentiment is nice, but it doesn't make any sense for them to do it and the potential consequences are huge.


Perhaps it's naive. Or overly optimistic. But I think anyone who wants to be president of the United States should be able to handle simple press conference of unscripted questions from people who aren't loyal supporters. And so far-I haven't seen Hillary do anything like that. How many times have we seen her try to answer a tough question? Maybe 2? The office itself won't be the controlled environment she insists on for her public appearances, so I'd like to see the process that gets you there a little more reflective of that fact, at least once in a while...
 
2007-08-27 10:48:59 PM  
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This is how the big boys roll.
 
2007-08-27 10:49:20 PM  
Rovian

LOL..
 
2007-08-27 10:51:05 PM  
Rovian:

430 kph


Don't you wish? God, how we've mucked up chance after chance for anything like that!
 
2007-08-27 10:51:56 PM  
Hobodeluxe: The Dems get a lot more money from the little people than the GOP.

ftfy
/GOP = fail
 
2007-08-27 10:56:23 PM  
DrBenway


I think its a good idea. It's half the speed of a commercial airliner, but twice as clean and efficient. It's a shame this country is content in watching its existing infrastructure crumble into the past but that's what you get when you spend all your money fighting foreign wars.
 
2007-08-27 11:04:46 PM  
Rovian:

I think its a good idea. It's half the speed of a commercial airliner, but twice as clean and efficient. It's a shame this country is content in watching its existing infrastructure crumble into the past but that's what you get when you spend all your money fighting foreign wars.


You won't find me arguing with you. And besides the general infrastructure issues you cite (specifically note Minneapolis, for instance), there's the never-ending hue and cry about cursed, evil subsidies and the like whenever money for rail transportation comes up, as if the airlines don't get all kinds of direct and indirect assistance. Along with all the public funding for highways... but no, no, no! That's all different! It's a damned shame.
 
2007-08-27 11:06:14 PM  
We wouldn't have the TSA "freedom baggie" nonsense inflicted upon us by mouth-breathing fast-food counter rejects if the Congress which created that bureaucratic monster had to deal with it. But no, they fly corporate or private a/c which don't require TSA idiocy -- only the little taxpayer has to.

I say expand the TSA so the upper 5% has to be dehumanized by dolts and you watch how long it lasts.

If Security Theater is good for us, it's good for them.
 
2007-08-27 11:08:05 PM  
Mordant: Vote Republican in 2008 and be a butt licking toady like submitter.

Im surprised you haven't realized that the trolling you do in every thread isn't getting you anywhere. Why don't you try to mix it up? Maybe someday someone will bite.
 
2007-08-27 11:08:54 PM  

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2007-08-27 11:09:15 PM  
So ADM is chartering their corporate jet for $5 to their bought and paid for biatch?
 
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