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(AZCentral)   Gore leads in Arizona straw poll, meaning he wins among candidates who aren't actually running in states that haven't had primaries yet   (azcentral.com) divider line
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2007-08-22 9:24:50 PM  
So he beats imaginary opponents in a imaginary race after not conducting an imaginary campaign. Somebody found a cache of peyote, didn't they?
 
2007-08-22 10:00:44 PM  
It's only because he ate all the straws.
 
2007-08-22 10:13:51 PM  
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Vote for Gore or the penguin gets it!!!!!!111!!!!!!1!!11111111

Fake threats aside, I would seriously vote for him. Here's hoping that he actually runs.
 
2007-08-22 10:24:37 PM  
He's better than Hillary or Edwards. I'd vote for Gore if he was against any Republican other than Rudy. However, I still think Obama should get the nod and win running away.
 
2007-08-22 10:25:01 PM  
I hope he runs. He's more qualified, more sincere, just the all-around best candidate. I wouldn't just vote for him, I'd campaign for him.
 
2007-08-22 10:31:41 PM  
Shaggy_C: I'd vote for Gore if he was against any Republican other than Rudy.

Why would you vote for Giuliani?
 
2007-08-22 10:35:42 PM  
Jon Snow: Shaggy_C: I'd vote for Gore if he was against any Republican other than Rudy.

Why would you vote for Giuliani?


9/11
 
2007-08-22 10:39:23 PM  
He's socially liberal, fiscally conservative, and has a proven record as an executive. His foreign policy is a little vague at this point - he wants a 'responsible Iraq' that doesn't completely destabilize the region and also says that 'Americans want peace.' He's an outsider to Washington politics and hopefully can make some changes; he was a crusader against corruption in NYC. Definitely better than the bible-thumpers and Bush-lites on the Republican side, and I personally like him better than Edwards (who I think is a hypocrite) and Hillary (mostly because of her socialized healthcare plan).
 
2007-08-22 10:50:59 PM  
Shaggy_C, aren't you worried about his authoritarian attitude? Some of the things I've heard Rudy say seem vaguely fascist. I'm worried he'd curtail even more freedoms then we've already lost under the current administration.
 
2007-08-22 10:54:27 PM  
I won Montana.

Thanks mom!
 
2007-08-22 11:00:53 PM  
destitute college kid: Shaggy_C, aren't you worried about his authoritarian attitude? Some of the things I've heard Rudy say seem vaguely fascist. I'm worried he'd curtail even more freedoms then we've already lost under the current administration.

"Vaguely fascist?"

Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

Giuliani is in no way vague about his fascism.
 
2007-08-22 11:01:25 PM  
Shaggy_C: has a proven record as an executive. he was a crusader against corruption in NYC.

No, not really. His right-hand man was a mob guy, and he basically took credit for a bunch of things that other people did, while his policies lead to record numbers of lawsuits against the city.
 
2007-08-22 11:04:33 PM  
Shaggy_C: His foreign policy is a little vague at this point - he wants a 'responsible Iraq' that doesn't completely destabilize the region and also says that 'Americans want peace.'

His foreign policy is Hawkish. As in airstrike against Iran Hawkish. His stance on free speech, DNA-fingerprinting, term limits, almost universal backing of the police despite claims brutality, etc. all point to authoritarian tendencies.

Turn over an executive expanded by Bush to guy like him? You'd have to be crazy.

I personally like him better than Edwards (who I think is a hypocrite) and Hillary (mostly because of her socialized healthcare plan).

While I am a Hillary opponent, I believe that she has backed off of the healthcare issue since she started getting those contribution dollars.
 
2007-08-22 11:24:25 PM  
Go Kucinich!
 
2007-08-22 11:33:24 PM  
Wow, intentional or no, that's a nice threadjack, Shaggy_C.
 
2007-08-22 11:51:58 PM  
When the number of participants is less than 40 are percentages necessary? I thought the Ron Paul straw poll was a joke with 216 votes.

Girl scout selling cookies draw more people.
 
2007-08-23 12:27:19 AM  
Gore has my vote (again) if he runs.
 
2007-08-23 1:08:36 AM  
Girl scout selling cookies draw more people.

hardly.

His foreign policy is a little vague at this point

pew pew pew....
 
2007-08-23 2:00:46 AM  
PerfectlyCromulent: Wow, intentional or no, that's a nice threadjack, Shaggy_C.

I'm sorry I didn't mean for this to happen...erm I blame Jon Snow lol...


destitute college kid: Some of the things I've heard Rudy say seem vaguely fascist. I'm worried he'd curtail even more freedoms then we've already lost under the current administration.

TofuTheAlmighty: Giuliani is in no way vague about his fascism.

I don't get that. I read his quote and the context, and it seems to me he has a very 'tough on crime' attitude but isn't authoritarian in the traditional sense of controlling a lot of personal freedoms (speech, religion, economic issues). I think the concern has to do with suspending habeas corpus, where his stance iirc was something like for suspected terrorists, he would
use it 'as infrequently as possible' which means he's not totally against it in emergency situations - kind of a 'nothing is off the table' response.


Jon Snow: His foreign policy is Hawkish. As in airstrike against Iran Hawkish. His stance on free speech, DNA-fingerprinting, term limits, almost universal backing of the police despite claims brutality, etc. all point to authoritarian tendencies.

I found a list of the kinds of 'free speech' stuff he tried to block -

- refusing to permit more than 20 taxi drivers to assemble for a protest against proposed city pick-up and drop-off rules (a federal judge ruled that action unconstitutional);
- imposing strict licensing rules on sidewalk artists, and limiting severely the number of such artists who could display their work near the Metropolitan Museum of Art (a policy struck down by the federal court of appeals as a violation of artists' rights);
- imposing a $45 a day permit fee on street musicians, which a federal district judge held excessive and far beyond any actual city costs;
- barring city employees from talking to reporters without specific approval - a policy which the federal appeals court found in violation of public workers' free speech rights;
- directing the transit authority not to display on city buses ads bought by New York Magazine which contained a gentle if critical caricature of the mayor's quest for publicity (an order held by federal district and appeals courts to be in violation of the First Amendment);
- barring a Lutheran church group from demonstrating and conducting an AIDS education program in a city park (a ban which a New York state appellate court held in clear violation of free speech);
- using city licensing power to terminate the franchises of certain newsstands and raising the fees for other newsstands on the basis of the content of publications they carry (a policy that was partly invalidated by a federal judge, ruling that newsstand operators do have First Amendment rights and that the city's claimed too much discretion in the standards it had set);
- refusing a permit for a parade or march designed to protest police brutality (a federal judge, ruling that the permit denial violated free speech, implied that the action had reflected the city's objection to the subject matter);
- suspending and later firing a city police officer who appeared in blackface, while off duty and in civilian dress, taking part in an undeniably racist skit on a Labor day parade float (a suit on behalf of the police officer, and two fire fighters suspended for the same acts, is still pending in federal court);
- barring most public events - starting with a rally to commemorate World AIDS Day - from being held on then steps of City Hall, which had long been a forum for such expressive gatherings (a policy promptly struck down by a federal district judge on free speech grounds);



These all seem like pretty legitimate actions to me coming from the mayor of a large city other than the whole newsstands issue. It worries me that he would try to shut down any press because he didn't like the content. To be honest, it worries me a lot. Granted, this list was from a biased website, and I found out that they worded it to make it sound more heinous. Truth is he wanted to have city ordinances decide the # of newsstands per block in order to clear the clutter on streetcorners. Link (new window)

But back to the point,

1) Obama
2) Rudy
3) Gore
4) 3rd Party
5) Myself
6) Any of the other farks put up by the Dems or Repubs
 
2007-08-23 3:25:02 AM  
Gore/Obama 08

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...

This combination is the best chance the Dems have to hold onto the Presidency through 2024, and possibly beyond.

'08 - Gore/Obama (electable + youth/hipness, South + North)
'12 - Gore/Obama (electable + youth/hipness, South + North)
'16 - Obama/ ? (youth/hipness/experienced + ?, North + ?)
'20 - Obama/ ? (youth/hipness/experienced + ?, North + ?)
 
2007-08-23 8:02:13 AM  
Shiat or get off the pot Al.
 
2007-08-23 9:09:36 AM  
 
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