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(Yahoo)   Yesterday: The New York Times' analysis of Iraq concludes that things are going much better than we thought. Today: Huffington Post angrily points out that since things aren't actually perfect, no one should listen to the New York Times   (news.yahoo.com) divider line
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2007-07-31 11:48:08 AM  
subby, you really need to learn what an op/ed piece is. The NYT printed an analysis by two guys who are unaffiliated with the NYT. Some people question the accuracy of that piece because the two authors have been sort of cheerleaders for the war and have in the past cherrypicked data to support their conclusions.
 
2007-07-31 11:52:45 AM  
Submitter will probably be buying a home in Baghdad sometime soon, since things are going so f*cking well over there.

Either that or submitter is a little greasy toad who would never actually have the balls to do anything decisive about the things he supposedly believes in.
 
2007-07-31 12:18:28 PM  
Maybe Submitter sees the Huffington Post as the partisan douche repository that it really is.

/not subby
 
2007-07-31 12:41:18 PM  
clancifer: Maybe Submitter sees the Huffington Post as the partisan douche repository that it really is.

/not subby


Yeah, that's possible. Or he's the douche for not understanding how newspapers work.
 
2007-07-31 12:41:44 PM  
clancifer: Maybe Submitter sees the Huffington Post as the partisan douche repository that it really is.

/not subby


Or maybe he really is just an idiot.
 
2007-07-31 1:16:51 PM  
To sum up the article: Analysis based on anecdotal evidence is bullshiat... and the evidence being presented by the NYT analysis is anecdotal.
 
2007-07-31 1:26:57 PM  
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2007-07-31 1:47:02 PM  
Actually O'Hanlon said there were improvements militarily (thanks to the recent Surge), but we're still a very long way from any sort of political success, as the Iraq Government remains largely useless and sharply divided. And if we can't make any progress politically, all the military successes don't mean squat. Nevermind that the infrastructure remains largely in shambles...
 
2007-07-31 1:49:03 PM  
The conservatives have been telling me for years that nothing the NYT prints is to be believed.
 
2007-07-31 2:24:13 PM  
Eddie Adams from Torrance: The conservatives have been telling me for years that nothing the NYT prints is to be believed.

That's not true. Judy Miller was one of the best stenographers among the working press. You could always believe everything that Judy wrote because it was straight from the administration's or Chalabi's mouths.
 
2007-07-31 2:24:42 PM  
Good news for the economy, good news for Iraq or good news for America: It's all bad news for liberal democrats.
 
2007-07-31 2:31:12 PM  
Mighty_Dog: Good news for the economy, good news for Iraq or good news for America: It's all bad news for liberal democrats.

You must be new at the trolling game. Your efforts thus far have been conspicuously amateur. There are plenty of professional trolls among our ranks...I'd take some time to learn from them.
 
2007-07-31 2:37:38 PM  
Jack31081: Mighty_Dog: Good news for the economy, good news for Iraq or good news for America: It's all bad news for liberal democrats.

You must be new at the trolling game. Your efforts thus far have been conspicuously amateur. There are plenty of professional trolls among our ranks...I'd take some time to learn from them.


You've gotta respect his willingness to embarrass himself day in and day out though. He's the Pete Rose of trolls. Not much ability but a lot of heart.
 
2007-07-31 2:43:29 PM  
BritneysSpeculum: subby, you really need to learn what an op/ed piece is. The NYT printed an analysis by two guys who are unaffiliated with the NYT. Some people question the accuracy of that piece because the two authors have been sort of cheerleaders for the war and have in the past cherrypicked data to support their conclusions.

Not to mention their assertions were contradicted by the very same institute they purported to represent.
 
2007-07-31 2:43:53 PM  
BritneysSpeculum: He's the Pete Rose of trolls. Not much ability but a lot of heart.

So you're saying that he's destined to enter the hall of fame?

/flame away, suckers
//no asterisks needed
 
2007-07-31 2:45:17 PM  
Huffington Post vs. New York Times... what a tough decision.

Michael Yon bests them both.
 
2007-07-31 2:46:49 PM  
BritneysSpeculum: You've gotta respect his willingness to embarrass himself day in and day out though. He's the Pete Rose of trolls. Not much ability but a lot of heart.

I'd reserve that for Dubya Saved My Life.

Mighty_Dog is just Cliff's Notes for HellbentForLeather
 
2007-07-31 2:46:52 PM  
Things will be going much better(for the americans) once they sign those production sharing agreements into their oil law then we can just draw down troop levels to protect our spoils and not babysit the whole nation.
 
2007-07-31 2:48:47 PM  
BritneysSpeculum: He's the Pete Rose of trolls. Not much ability but a lot of heart.

the all time hit record doesn't take any ability?
 
2007-07-31 2:51:03 PM  
LocalCynic: BritneysSpeculum: He's the Pete Rose of trolls. Not much ability but a lot of heart.

So you're saying that he's destined to enter the hall of fame?

/flame away, suckers
//no asterisks needed


Good point. I will rephrase. He is the Bengie Gil of trolls.
 
2007-07-31 2:53:24 PM  
Mighty_Dog: Good news for the economy, good news for Iraq or good news for America: It's all bad news for liberal democrats.

Someone in another thread intimated that Might_Dog gets paid to post this kind of thing here. I don't know if that is true or not, but it if is, I sure hope that it is the Democratic party - his or her posts sure aren't going to bring anyone on the fence over to the GOP point of view....
 
2007-07-31 2:55:07 PM  
Yesterday: The New York Times' analysis of Iraq concludes that things are going much better than we thought.

And is also proven to be total baloney written by shills.

Today: Huffington Post angrily points out that since things aren't actually perfect, no one should listen to the New York Times

The article does not mention this in any way, shape or form. It is only critical of the writers.

/fail
 
2007-07-31 2:56:20 PM  
Mighty_Dog It's REALLY bad news for reality.
 
2007-07-31 2:56:37 PM  
keylock71: Actually O'Hanlon said there were improvements militarily (thanks to the recent Surge), but we're still a very long way from any sort of political success, as the Iraq Government remains largely useless and sharply divided. And if we can't make any progress politically, all the military successes don't mean squat. Nevermind that the infrastructure remains largely in shambles...

BritneysSpeculum: subby, you really need to learn what an op/ed piece is. The NYT printed an analysis by two guys who are unaffiliated with the NYT. Some people question the accuracy of that piece because the two authors have been sort of cheerleaders for the war and have in the past cherrypicked data to support their conclusions.

cosmoski: I think the greatest amount of teeth-gnashing on the left has come from the media characterization of the op-ed writers as "long time critics" of the Bush administration's Iraq boondoggle and that somehow they've had a conversion on the road to Baghdad. That type of characterization feeds a very deceptive propaganda message that goes beyond the message of the op-ed.

These.

But by all means, keep clapping louder. Tinkerbell is perking up!
 
2007-07-31 2:57:12 PM  
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2007-07-31 2:59:39 PM  
Headso

If the oil companies are investing billions of dollars to get the oil out of the ground, they should receive enough profit to make it worth while to their owners.

It is not a rip-off of the Iraqi people.

.
 
2007-07-31 3:00:49 PM  
The fact that the pro-war authors are talking about the "battlefields" of Iraq should tell you something. The war has been over for many years now, yet there are still battlefields? That is not progress. Any "good" that might be happening on battlefields in Iraq is instantly nullified by the sad situation that we are still even talking about battlefields in the first place.
 
2007-07-31 3:03:25 PM  
Headso: BritneysSpeculum: He's the Pete Rose of trolls. Not much ability but a lot of heart.

The all time hit record doesn't take any ability?


Yah, gonna 2nd this, Not a fan of stick & ball, but this record matters.
 
2007-07-31 3:04:55 PM  
[image from cedla.org too old to be available] (clicky linky)

Forty-three per cent of Iraqis suffer from 'absolute poverty'. According to some estimates, over half the population are now without work. Children are hit the hardest by the decline in living standards. Child malnutrition rates have risen from 19 per cent before the US-led invasion in 2003 to 28 per cent now.

The number of Iraqis without access to adequate water supplies has risen from 50 per cent to 70 per cent since 2003, while 80 per cent lack effective sanitation. The 'brain drain' that Iraq is experiencing is further stretching already inadequate public services, as thousands of medical staff, teachers, water engineers, and other professionals are forced to leave the country. At the end of 2006, perhaps 40 per cent had left already.


Which corner did we just turn?
Op-Ed is not analysis, this is analysis.
You can't handle the analysis.
 
2007-07-31 3:09:59 PM  
Subby needs to learn the liberals are always right, facts be damned! Seriously, what are you some kind of Islamaphobe knuckle dragging moran! Question HillaryGoreBama at your own peril!
 
2007-07-31 3:10:10 PM  
Why do we keep getting these stupid greenlights about what the Huffington Post thinks about things?
 
2007-07-31 3:10:56 PM  
sarek_smile: If the oil companies are investing billions of dollars to get the oil out of the ground, they should receive enough profit to make it worth while to their owners.

paying them is 1 thing, forcing the iraqis to put production sharing agreements into their law is another.

It is not a rip-off of the Iraqi people.

yes it is
 
2007-07-31 3:12:43 PM  
Dubya Saved My Life: Subby needs to learn the liberals are always right, facts opinions that I happen to agree with be damned! Seriously, what are you some kind of Islamaphobe knuckle dragging moran! Question HillaryGoreBama at your own peril!

FTFY
 
2007-07-31 3:12:51 PM  
We should only listen to unbiased sources like Huffington Post!
 
2007-07-31 3:15:34 PM  
bwesb: Huffington Post vs. New York Times... what a tough decision.

Michael Yon bests them both.


http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/07/30/brookings/index.html

Something is monkeywrenching the HTML buttons so cut & pastin', yo. This is some good smackdown. E-joy.
 
2007-07-31 3:16:16 PM  
BritneysSpeculum: Dubya Saved My Life: Subby needs to learn the liberals are always right, facts opinions that I happen to agree with be damned! Seriously, what are you some kind of Islamaphobe knuckle dragging moran! Question HillaryGoreBama at your own peril! I don't have a brain so I will edit someone's comment.

FTFY


FTFY
 
2007-07-31 3:19:45 PM  
FlashLV

We should only listen to unbiased sources like Huffington Post!


besides your failure to construct a substantive argument, "listen to"??? are you hearing voices in your head? is that your problem?
 
2007-07-31 3:20:07 PM  
Dubya Saved My Life: BritneysSpeculum: Dubya Saved My Life: Subby needs to learn the liberals are always right, facts opinions that I happen to agree with be damned! Seriously, what are you some kind of Islamaphobe knuckle dragging moran! Question HillaryGoreBama at your own peril! I don't have a brain so I will edit someone's comment.

FTFY

FTFY


You do, of course appreciate the irony there, don't you?
 
2007-07-31 3:22:05 PM  
Has no one but me noted the ebb and flow of insurgent activity over the last four years? Well, guess what? There have been periodic spikes and lulls in the fighting.

It's August. It's hot. Ramadan is coming up. The mujahedeen are laying back, replenishing weapons, developing new tactics, and waiting for their next "surge." Also, the Pentagon is playing the Sunni card, allowing Sunni militias to defend their areas from shiite militias without molestation, and playing Sunni factions against one another.

The situation is probably not getting better, it's getting different.

This bullsh*t in the NYT yesterday would have you believe there is a large qualitative difference in Iraq since the "surge" began. It is possible that is true, but I am extremely skeptical.
 
2007-07-31 3:25:17 PM  
Dubya Saved My Life, FlashLV

I point you to:
sappho.d.beeblebrox 2007-07-31 03:04:55 PM

... and I would love to read your thoughts on reality.
 
2007-07-31 3:26:42 PM  
21-7-b: FlashLV

We should only listen to unbiased sources like Huffington Post!


besides your failure to construct a substantive argument, "listen to"??? are you hearing voices in your head? is that your problem?


Here's the first apologist, welcome.
 
2007-07-31 3:28:34 PM  
canyoneer: The situation is probably not getting better, it's getting different.

I seem to remember you were in favor of.. whatever the hell we're doing in Iraq. Did you change your position or am I mistaken? If you did, I'm curious what was the turning point.
 
2007-07-31 3:28:50 PM  
BritneysSpeculum: Dubya Saved My Life: BritneysSpeculum: Dubya Saved My Life: Subby needs to learn the liberals are always right, facts opinions that I happen to agree with be damned! Seriously, what are you some kind of Islamaphobe knuckle dragging moran! Question HillaryGoreBama at your own peril! I don't have a brain so I will edit someone's comment.

FTFY

FTFY

You do, of course appreciate the irony there, don't you?


I like it. Artistry even.
/Beer of your chooice.
 
Bf+
2007-07-31 3:29:42 PM  
From ThinkProgress:

Together, they appeared on at least nine major mainstream media outlets in the past 24 hours::
Pollack
CBS Evening News
CNN Newsroom
CNN Situation Room
MSNBC Tucker
NPR Talk of the Nation

O'Hanlon
CBS Early Show
CBS Evening News
Fox News Special Report
MSNBC Hardball


Of the stations mentioned above, only MSNBC's Hardball forced the analysts to debate an opposing viewpoint.

I'm also amused they keep getting referred to as "vocal critics" of the Iraq war...
 
2007-07-31 3:30:39 PM  
Nothing more hilarious than crazed, wild-eyed, fever swamp dwellers on the far left biatching about the NYT.
 
2007-07-31 3:31:01 PM  
I would like to see a photograph of how well things are going in iraq. Or perhaps some statistical evidence backed up by independant sources. Trust but confirm, you know.

sappho.d.beeblebrox

Oh. Well. Actual data evidence. Okay.
 
2007-07-31 3:32:06 PM  
"And if we can't make any progress politically, all the military successes don't mean squat'

How dare you pay attention to General Petraeus! Why do you liberals hate America, with your reasoning and all!

"It's August. It's hot.' It's MORE than hot. 133F in the shade? No attacking right now, buddy.
 
Bf+
2007-07-31 3:33:54 PM  
FlashLV (Troll): We should only listen to unbiased sources like Huffington Post!

Pretty early in the thread to resort to ad hominem attacks, isn't it? Do you have anything substantial to say to defend these liars?

/Of course you don't.
 
2007-07-31 3:34:58 PM  
FlashLV

Here's the first apologist, welcome.

thank-you. perhaps you could explain what the word 'apologist' means and then why you use it to describe myself?
 
2007-07-31 3:35:29 PM  
mediaho

You have confounded me with someone else. I was against the Iraq War from the before the beginning. I was arguing against it in Fark forums in the Winter of '02 - '03. I predicted a protracted guerrilla war, stupendous expense, a humanitarian disaster inside Iraq, and deeply negative foreign policy consequences.

Believe it or not, I batted about .975 on my predictions. The only thing I got wrong was predicting that Bush would back off when the scope of the disaster became clear. It's hard to predict irrational behavior.

Boy was I ever excoriated and insulted and piled upon and called every name in the book by Farkers back in those days - by morons who couldn't predict the sunrise. Most have changed their tune since then.
 
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